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Sure why not, no matter the death toll those in power will always have access to the resources to protect themselves and their families from the worst circumstances of their actions.  No worries for the multitude of  citizens who could potentially die in their homes with no  access to treatment, once their health care system is overwhelmed.   Katrina?....Katrina who???

"Raising the issue" would be simply asking the question "Should Americans vote on letting COVID-19 run its course?"  FULL STOP.
This piece uses such inflammatory one-sided language that the author has essentially answered his own question with a resounding "YES!".
Most overt example of the bias in this article is the leading question: "As control of our own lives and some of our very freedoms are taken from us “for our own good,” do we have the right to make our voices heard?"
A counter-opinion question might be "As we are being handed heavy does of mis-information falsely accusing the media of overhyping the disease and spouting as-yet-unproven doom-and-gloom scenarios about the collapse of Western civilization based on a one week dip in the stock market, should the public just sit back and heed the words of medical experts as opposed to jumping on the bandwagon of financial analysts in the pockets of big business and a corrupt President who has no expertise in the area of pandemics and exposing themselves to unnecessary risk just to serve those who are putting a dollar value on human life for their own greed?"
But because a question mark is put at the end of the leading, clearly slanted opinion, it's OK right? I mean, we're not saying America is being held hostage by a Government who have trampled on our civil liberties, we're just asking. Jon Stewart did a piece on this a few years ago on The Daily Show to expose this media trick. Unfortunately Comedy Central won't release the video, but his satire was much more clever than this opinion piece, which doesn't even try to be subtle.
And if the simple question was asked without the slant, the answer should still probably be "no". Direct democracy via referendum on everything doesn't work. Case in point, Hal Anderson is the 34th Greatest Canadian simply because he had a platform to get his vote out. Also, Stockwell Day floated this idea back in the day, saying if a plurality of Canadians (350,000 people was his target) petitioned on an issue, it should be forced to go to an automatic vote. "This Hour Has 22 Minutes" then put out a petition saying people should vote on forcing Stockwell Day to legally change his first name to "Doris". The petition got 370,000 votes in no time.

Obviously you cant let the masses vote on something that impacts the health of others.  People are often selfish.  
Also, anyone still whining about COVID vs Flu are just burying their head in the sand.   Seasonal flu has 30,000-60,000 deaths per year in the US.  I believe thats October to May, so7-8 months.  We're barely three months into this with massive social distancing and lockdowns and over 10,000 deaths.  But yeah, no one cares about the flu and this is all a hoax.
Id look to see what Trump buddy or company is connected to that drug he keeps pushing.  It also could be Trump is just a simpleton so he hears that maybe a drug not approved or tested, could have some positive impact and just goes nuts on it.  If it did work, he'd claim to be a miracle worker.  if it doesnt, he'd just deny he ever said it.

Ah, but this is asking for a straight one person - one vote system. Trump would not be President based on that approach.

Everyone who thinks the masses will support what they want think the masses should vote.  Thats why you have elections.  The idea of referendums on everything is stupid.

Hope for the best. 

Looking forward to the 2021 season.
And that's being optimistic. 

I love how wild this thread has got. By the time football rolls around we won’t even want to talk to each other in the bombers threads haha 

Like I said, it's great to see the real you.  You're on a real roll tonite with just about everybody. 

Sorry man - I over-stepped... I should have just blamed Trudeau.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/4/21207927/5g-towers-burning-uk-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-link

What does one have to do with the other?

Guess you have no grandparents,  parents, uncles or aunts? Of course, you don't seem to care about people that have immunosuppressed systems  like cancer patients or little kids. Anyone that talk trash like you will get sick or old one day then your day will come. 

I mean you guys do see the irony of a forum that consistently is like 'oh he's 29 years old and lost a step... buh bye' and then actually makes fun of guys who can't keep up or have long-term injuries...
But now we're freaking out about anyone who questions shutting down society for a virus that targets specifically the old and the weak...

 
 
 

Maybe if Boris would have shaken his cane... No big loss as people over 60 are useless anyway. 

Well, considering older people are more at risk that's a pretty heartless comment.

My original post talks about how Canada is doing a good job of flattening the curve...  and Covid infection is much lower than previously believed.  Somehow that was interpreted as wanting all old people to die ha... reminds me of the Joe Mack days here...
Sweden never said that they were immune to Covid - opening a field hospital is pretty normal - Vancouver had one set up in a park and BC Place ready as another quarantine centre.  I really think they are preparing to handle the 'spike' quickly rather than flatten the curve...
'Watching Sweden' means I am interested to see what happens there... not that I want to move to Sweden.  

I have never claimed that coronavirus is no big deal so don't make stuff up. As to the flu shot being ineffective, there is lots of support for that argument. I think the intelligent thing to do is weigh both sides before you decide. Personally I don't care whether you get a flu shot or not. I wish you good health either way.

This is a ridiculous response.  100% of Canadians will not get covid...
Considering less than a month ago we were told it was 3-4% or as high as 9-10%... 1.8% is absolutely good news.
For two weeks, the death rate in Italy has plateaued and now may be decreasing.  R0 has decreased from 3 to 1
Canada 'should' be more prepared than Italy and has a much lower population density.

You should lead a dramatic writing online course.
Anyway - in the Yukon/BC we have seen this a month before everyone else and the curve is flattening - especially if you look at the death rate - which spiked early with 9 cases in the Lynn seniors home and has leveled.  I also said GTA is going to be the problem area for Canada - this is a population density problem.  
As for tracking covid cases - we are just tracking test kits...  so of course there will be a spike now that we are actively looking for it
If you actually go through the data, Quebec added 40 covid deaths on one day that were cumulative - this skews the curve to make it look worse
I was wondering when the 'denier' implication (covid/global warming) would show up...  considering I make nature documentaries and guide polar bear tours - you can shove that...
I'm not talking about stock market money - I'm talking about structural debt that will need to be repaid at some point - saving lives now will cost lives later.  We're just passing the buck to Gen X.  I'm assuming you don't recall how our health care and social programs were gutted in the 1990s repaying debt from the 1980s...
We can revisit this in a week if you're still outraged that I think Canada is doing a good job.
 
 
 

Not true. All 9 tests of Betel home patients came back negative. While they are suffering from a respiratory illness it is not Covid19. 
 
PHC in Manitoba are doing an incredible job of keeping this tour of their facilities. 

It is also the end of the 4 months of support from funds such as E.I. benefits.

So, just like virtually all main stream media outlets then?  😉 

Do you practice being wrong because you're sure good at it. 
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/hospitals-overwhelmed-by-surge-of-flu-cases/article562037/
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/health/flu-surveillance-cdc/index.html
https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patients/
https://www.patriotledger.com/news/20200114/flu-cases-overwhelm-south-shore-hospital-emergency-room