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Just now, johnzo said:
I get where you're coming from man, but it really is a bummer to say that some jobs are simply off-limits to women.
The onus is on the 100 football players to ******* behave.
Kudos to you and the others taking this sensible position, as opposed to the "don't put yourself in a vulnerable position" nonsense.
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52 minutes ago, bluto said:
Nice for the Accuser to have their legal team lob this grenade with no accountability, before the season begins so that the club will need it dealt with quickly. And it doesn't hurt that the club had to cut a hush-hush settlement cheque once before.
1 hour ago, bluto said:This is a wrongful termination suit with a side of a sensationalized accusation to whip the press (and apparently internet forums) into a frenzy before evidence and judgement. And why would the accused be named and subjected to trial by press except for the purpose of shaming them into accepting a settlement (much as was done once before against the Argos)?
Would you have preferred that the accuser not file the lawsuit at all? File it but not name names? Wait until after the upcoming season so as not to harm the Argos? Or that no news organization report on the lawsuit until its outcome is known?
Once a lawsuit is filed, all of its particulars -- including accusations and names -- are in the public domain. It is common practice for suits to be reported on by the media, and invariably the reports say something along the lines of "the allegations have not yet been tested in court" (as this one did) to make clear that their accuracy/veracity has not been established -- they are just allegations at this point. Reporting allegations contained in lawsuits happens all the time. Civil courts operate in the open.
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32 minutes ago, bluto said:
Coach Mickey likely had his eye on him.
Another Argo fan suspects he may see a tryout at SAM.
Bluto, I believe AV was referring to Adeleke, not Exume, with that speculation.
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23 hours ago, bluto said:
Consider how any of these names could make an impact for virtually any other team:
Bede. Brissett. Coxie. Daniel. Hendrix. Jones. Leake. Oakman. Ouellette. Peters. Pickett. Richards. Tate.
One of these things is not like the others. Richards is not making an impact for any team. He's still, four seasons into his career, far from being ready to play.
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16 hours ago, wbbfan said:
I’ve heard a few Argos fans hoping/theorizing that they will steal hall from us.
First time I've heard that, but it makes a certain amount of sense. I could see Pinball really liking Hall, although it would/should be Dinwiddie's call. Others to keep an eye on are Claybrooks and Shivers. John Murphy hinted on Twitter that it will be a big name.
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14 minutes ago, bluto said:
Hoping for a "I'd like to stay in TO" contract for Oakman as he has demonstrated that he still has a gear he can shift into where he can take over a game... but if not, then I am comfortable with his big-name being available as a decoy so we can re-sign the guy on our D-Line who gets no hype or press whatsoever but was very quietly one of the 10 best D-Linemen in the league.
You presumably mean Hendrix. IMO he's more like top 5, despite getting no all-star recognition. Must be re-signed.
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When team nominees were announced I predicted finalists/winners as follows:
Kelly will win MOP over Oliveira
Oliveira will win MOC over Dequoy
Betts will win MODP over Pickett
Stiggers will win MOR over Korsak
Leake will win MOSTP over Whyte
Hardrick will win MOOL over AllenI'll stick to those predictions (except of course Stiggers over Gray, not Korsak). IMO Pickett should win MODP, but Betts will win even though he's a one-trick pony compared to Pickett.
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Kelly will win MOP over Oliveira
Oliveira will win MOC over Dequoy
Betts will win MODP over Pickett
Stiggers will win MOR over Korsak
Leake will win MOSTP over Whyte
Hardrick will win MOOL over Allen -
This is not a lineup that makes a mockery of competition. Yes, they are not starting their starting QB, but other than that this is just about as full a lineup as they could muster. Two guys sitting out (McManis and Peters) got injured last week. Oakman might be considered a healthy scratch although he has been dinged a couple of times in recent games. Putting in Brinkman to replace him is not much of a step back, if at all. Oakman, Hendrix and Brinkman are all top-notch DTs; both Brinkman and Oakman were healthy scratches earlier this season when they were unable to dress three INT DTs because of roster issues elsewhere. Argos sat one regular (Ouellette) as a healthy scratch last week, and are arguably sitting one and resting one (who Dinwiddie said might see some action).
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2 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
But no Chad Kelly vs Zach Collaros. The Top 2 qbs in the CFL going head to head for the first time. A marquis matchup wasted.. Instead we get to see some kiddie looking 12 year old play qb for the Boatmen.
No argument there. But this is still a solid Toronto lineup even with an unproven QB. I still expect Bombers to win, but Argos are gonna make them earn it.
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This is -- apart from Kelly, if in fact he doesn't play at all -- a fairly full lineup the Argos are putting on the field. Oakman is being replaced by Brinkman, who is the team's best run stopper and someone who played earlier this year when Oakman was a healthy scratch (and played in the Grey Cup). McManis, who got dinged up last week but would likely play this week it it was a must-win, is replaced by Jonathan Jones who has seen a fair bit of action at LB this year and played (for McManis) in the Grey Cup. The biggest new absence is Jamal Peters, who was injured last week and likely wouldn't be able to play even if this game was for all the marbles. Cam Phillips is also out with an injury; he was replaced last week by a guy who dressed for the first time and had only a couple of targets. This week he's replaced by Jeremiah Haydel, who has played a few games the past two seasons but is nothing to write home about. Chances are the Argos' healthy NAT receivers (Brissett, Ungerer and Nield) will be targeted more than Haydel. Gittens has been out for a few weeks and Argos are thin in the secondary, with Robertson Daniel, DaShaun Amos and Maurice Carnell all out with long-term injuries.
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2 hours ago, Pepper_Brooks said:
Aren't you supposed to be stuck in 401 traffic right now? How do you find the time to post lengthy essays that no one here has any interest in critiquing?
The same way you find time to read and critique, perhaps?
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32 minutes ago, Pepper_Brooks said:
It's all related to the Argos being treated like third-tier occupants of their stadium. This is evident in the abundance of Monday games, short weeks, and the front-loading of their bye weeks. It's truly a disgrace.
Begone, troll. No one called for your input.
Since I don't think responding to opinions by offering alternative opinions is trolling, I'll try to respond to this one as well. The Argos do in fact share their stadium with one other (regular) occupant, TFC, and occasionally with the Canadian national men's and women's soccer teams. Accordingly, they don't have unfettered access to any date they want. But it's worth noting that TFC and the Argos have the same owner and the same team president, so it might be an exaggeration to suggest the Argos get only the scraps. When the team was owned by Braley and played in the Rogers Centre, it did have an absolutely awful time getting decent home dates. But that ended seven years ago. This year they got three Saturdays, two Fridays, two Sundays and one Monday (which was the final day of a long weekend, so there's not much reason to be concerned about that). No Thursdays, which some fans in some cities detest.
I haven't done a thorough analysis of this year's entire schedule but I'm pretty confident Toronto has had fewer short weeks than some other teams. Having three byes in the first 11 weeks, and none thereafter, obviously sucks and I'm not happy that MLSE either asked for that or didn't fight it. There might be some pseudo-logical reason for wanting it (like easier to sell tickets in the fall than summer) but it's not a good situation for the team to be in. I and some other Argo fans have complained about it on fan forums and Twitter, for what little that is worth.
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7 minutes ago, GCn20 said:
He was just the head of the snake. It runs deep. They've been yucking it up this year because they are winning. They are one bad beat down away from a melt down.
Feel free to keep believing that; evidence suggests it's not true, but we are all free to believe what we want.
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50 minutes ago, Pepper_Brooks said:
I place the responsibility squarely on the Argonauts organization and the CFL schedule makers. It's undeniably absurd that a Grey Cup rematch hasn't happened until week 17 of the season. The Argos should prioritize sorting out their stadium schedule, not just for their own benefit but also for the sake of the league.
As I often say, welcome to Randy's CFL. Can't wait until he's relieved of his duties as commissioner.
The schedule makers, sure. But this has nothing to do with the Argos' ability to control their stadium access. They were never going to play the Bombers at home this year, thanks to the new, cost-saving schedule that gives teams more intra-division games and less distant travel.
Should the two teams have played before now? Yes. I've advocated for the season to always open with a Grey Cup rematch in the home of the champions -- a "kickoff classic." IMO there is a way to do this that would not only create a major new event attracting interest across the league, but would also make scheduling way easier. But since this idea is just in my head, we are stuck with the existing scheduling regimen, which has meant Argos played Edmonton and Wpg only once last year, Wpg and BC only once this year, and who knows what the future will bring.
56 minutes ago, GCn20 said:I can't think of a fan in bigger denial than this. Your franchise QB is a headcase of epic proportion all on his own. Only a matter of time before he does something truly dumb. Not to mention guys like Edwards etc. Just ass clowns really.
Edwards has been gone from Toronto since the day after Grey Cup, but sure, he's evidence of ass-clownery on the 2023 Argos.
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41 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
**** the argos were getting into fist fights on the sidelines last year.
That's a slight exaggeration, but yes, there was a major brouhaha between (the always-charming) Brandon Banks and Trevon Tate on the sideline in the second game of the year, and after the ninth game there was a fight in the locker room. And as it turned out, all that volatility helped bring the team together off the field as well as on. Over the final 11 games last season (nine RS pls two post-season), they lost a single game that actually mattered in the standings. And over the first 12 (meaningful) games this year, they lost a single game. That doesn't happen with a bad locker room.
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5 hours ago, JohnnyAbonny said:
I for one appreciate @pw13’s perspective.
In agreement of details or not, I’m a sucker for CFL history.
I was going to say, I remember them getting decent crowds in 06-07, when we had a decent little rivalry going. Don’t remember hearing anything about C&S papering.Thanks for the kind words. As for C&S, it has never been confirmed, but I think it's almost certain they were papering the house. The crowds got way bigger all of a sudden when they took over, with no obvious reason.
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5 minutes ago, bluto said:
The only real excuses this week would be if the Bombers fail to capitalize on beating the Champions who are in effect, serving themselves up on a double blue platter for it.
Yep. Argos are almost certainly gonna lose, and they don't care, so why should we? Bomber fans should be happy they're being gifted a win. If I were running the Argos I'd have fielded a full lineup for this game, and used meaningless games upcoming to rest guys. But fortunately for all concerned, I'm not running the Argos.
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Argos have only one actual practice this week (tomorrow). Today's was described as a "walk-through." Chances are they will have a very vanilla game plan, and I wouldn't be surprised if a few other key players (in addition to Kelly) sit this one out. They're probably more interested in playing a full-ish lineup on Oct. 6 when they celebrate the team's 150th birthday. And then they'll likely use the last three games to rest some guys, try to stay semi-sharp, etc.
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2 hours ago, wbbfan said:
It illustrates what I said about the 90s and early 2ks lol.
The Argos attendance of 2-3k last year couldn't go significantly down.Again, you’re wrong. (Is that better?) pinball hasn’t been un involved with the Argos at any point since he retired. Holding what must be the longest continual employement in the cfl today being an Argo in one form or another since 1989.
he coached sporadically between 2000 and 2007 while also serving on and off as club president gm and ceo at different times while just being ceo and gm in 2008. 09-2019 he was the vice chairman of the board. 19 forward he was the gm again.
Maybe check his write up on the Argos site or wiki or the cfl lol. Instead of lulu.com and a book about rocket Ishmail.
No, it isn’t. Pinball is entirely responsible for Dinwiddie.
I'm humbled to be so informed -- I trust you've been at BMO Field to scope out the crowds of 2-3k last year. I bow to your superior knowledge about all things Argo. Since you know so much, perhaps you could tell us what exactly the vice-chair of the Argos does? Also, thanks for the correction on spelling the Rocket's last name. Ashamed to say I got it wrong (Ismail, silly me) in the book. Also ashamed to say the book was about more than "Ishmail." Again, silly me.
3 hours ago, 17to85 said:**** the argos and their fan
Wow, never heard that one before!
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15 hours ago, wbbfan said:
That’s factually inaccurate. The Argos had more good years than bad attendance wise in the 90s with a lul post flutie and a 2000s bounce back. The 93-95 argos especially struggled to compete with the jays post back to back ships. The late 90s post flutie era did the same when the raptors came to town.
the only thing that’s gotten better in the to market in 5 years is how good the Argos are at lying about attendance.
mlse didn’t do any thing management wise. Pinball was running it and changed positions as he had in the past depending on his ability to devote time to the team. He put dinwiddie in place and they built this team. That’s got nothing to do with mlse.
Mlse came into a team that was consistently hosting a home play off game every other year and they won 4 games in back to back years.
They have a team that should be a contender now. Last year was a surprise win and this is the first year of them being a serious contender.That's a pretty inaccurate accusation of factual inaccuracy. Here are the actual facts:
Argos' announced attendance began declining in 1977, blipped up in 1982, began dropping again in 1983, blipped up in 1989-90 (when SkyDome was new, and those numbers were viewed very suspiciously by media covering the team during Harry Ornest's two years as owner). Up (for real) in 1991, then began declining again. Up slightly in Flutie's two seasons (to crowds not much bigger than today's). Big increase in 2004-5-6-7, but the widespread belief was that Cynamon and Sokolowski papered the house. Downward trend ever since, but now tracking upwards for three consecutive years.
You can accuse MLSE of "lying" about attendance, but -- presumably unlike you -- I go to every Argo home game and I can tell you the crowds have been much bigger this year than last year.
Maybe you'd like further evidence: Toronto Argonauts All-Time Attendance on CFLdb Statistics
As for the second part of your rant, again "factually inaccurate." Pinball was not "running it"; he was completely uninvolved before Bill Manning (MLSE appointee) convinced him to return to the team as GM. Yes, Pinball hired Dinwiddie, but to suggest MLSE had "nothing to do with" any of this is utterly ridiculous.
If you'd like to educate yourself better about the modern history of the Argos, I suggest you read these books:
Bouncing Back: From National Joke to Grey Cup Champs (lulu.com)
Year of the Rocket – Sutherland House Publishing (sutherlandhousebooks.com)
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44 minutes ago, wbbfan said:
Problem is mlse is a deadbeat owner. They’ve had the Argos for 5 years and things have only gotten much worse.
I disagree. The decline of the Argos goes back 40 years and has had many factors, including (for much of it) neglectful or in some cases abusive ownership. MLSE is far from perfect, and there's still a gigantic hill to climb. But IMO the Argos are in better shape market-wise than they were five years ago. Attendance is trending up and merch sales appear to be way up. (Plus there is a much bigger and better assortment of merch, for what that's worth.) MLSE has put a good mgmt group in place on the football side and appears to be serious about building the team into a perennial contender.
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18 hours ago, Blue In BC said:
Clearly you don't understand the SMS or the cap. The Argos spent whatever they spent or will spend in 2023. Unless Muamba got an advance of any significance, then ZERO $$$'s of his money was spent towards the 2023 SMS. You can't spend money elsewhere you didn't spend in the 1st place on a player that never made the roster ( against the SMS ). The Argos paid Williams to be their MLB and he was a 1st pick in the draft and not working for chump change.
I fully understand how the cap works. Zero dollars of Muamba's salary (excluding any signing bonus) is being applied against the cap. Same with Bladek. Now they have a third of Harris's salary to play with as well, since his final six games would have been charged against the cap if he was active, but won't be now that he's on IR.
All teams go into a season knowing they will spend more than the cap, because of long-term injuries. What we don't know is how teams build that into their cap planning, but having two high-salaried guys like Muamba and Bladek on IR all season (and perhaps this was always the plan) allows the team to spend elsewhere and remain cap-compliant. I'm confident the Argos used some of that "elsewhere" money to boost Kelly's 2023 salary, and they likely used some of it to pay a front-loaded signing bonus to Nicastro.
And again, I fully understand that Kelly's larger salary in 2024 will need to be accounted for within the cap. Some guys will depart -- as happens every year with every team. The idea that they're in for a major roster overhaul because of it seems exaggerated to me, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
9 hours ago, GCn20 said:When an existing player gets an extra 550k in salary the next year it will have impact on the rest of the roster. It just stands to reason.
If we can believe this story (Toronto Argos make QB Chad Kelly highest-paid player in CFL with three-year contract worth $1.865 million - 3DownNation), the difference between Kelly's take this year and next year is closer to $300k.
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Barker was with Toronto for only one year (2022). A few of his signings were on the Grey Cup team and the 16-2 team, but not many that were solely or mostly attributable to him IMO. The real brains of the Toronto operation is Vince Magri. Their Canadian scouting has been out of this world -- their past four drafts have yielded a ton of roster players, including some starters.