SpeedFlex27

Are you like this when you hire on air announcers for your radio station in Olds?

Guess that's all he needed.

So, now you're a qb coach giving us your assessments of Allen's mechanics? I doubt if you could critique the difference between the way Matt Nichols throws compared to Ricky Ray & what their strengths & weaknesses are. Saying that, I'd be interested in your critique of Allen's throwing mechanics & what his flaws were. What you think prevented him from being considered elite in your eyes. Your argument about longevity is only one part of it. QBs have to play a long time in order to win a number of championships. It took Tom Brady nearly 20 years to win 6 Super Bowl championships. But he did it with just one team. Not 3. For some reason you've latched onto that as your only argument for greatness. I have read your comments but the problem I have is I don't know how serious you are about them. Whether playing a long time actually means something to you or not. When you throw Troy Westwood's name out there as an example, I begin to wonder. He played a long time & was good enough to play a lot of years but I'd never put his name up there with Justin Medlock or Rene Paredes. He had too many big misses in big games when the Bombers counted on him to come through & at times he didn't. You say nobody ever talks about how Allen elevated his game & made his teammates better around him??? I don't know how you can even say that as the subject came up a lot back when he played. He did play very well in the playoffs & he did make his teammates better. Being a multi championship qb means you do elevate others around you to new heights. That's what playing for 3 different teams & winning four championships with those teams does. Being able to adapt to a different city, team, players, coaching & offensive systems. As well as making everyone better. Look up some of the greats who played. Bernie Faloney won 2 Grey Cups with 2 teams. Edmonton & Hamilton. Ron Lancaster won 3 Grey Cups with 2 teams. Ottawa & Saskatchewan. Jerry Keeling won 2 Grey Cups with 2 teams. Calgary & Ottawa. Henry Burris won 2 Grey Cups with 2 teams. Calgary & Ottawa RedBlacks. Tom Clements won 2 Grey Cups with 2 teams. Ottawa Rough Riders & Winnipeg. Tracy Ham won 2 Grey Cups with 2 teams. Edmonton & Baltimore. Matt Dunigan won 2 Grey Cups with 2 teams. Edmonton & Toronto. Doug Flutie won 3 Grey Cups with 2 teams. Calgary & Toronto. Ricky Ray won 4 Grey Cups with two teams. Two each with Edmonton & Toronto. Winning 4 championships with 3 different CFL teams is a rare feat among CFL qbs over the years. Done only one once by Allen. Which is what makes him elite. Now, maybe I missed somebody & there's another CFL qb who won at least 4 Grey Cups with 3 different teams during his career but I doubt it. The stats don't lie. Especially at the qb position. Like a pitcher in baseball & a goaltender in hockey, it's all about the stats. The Vezina Trophy in hockey & Cy Young Award in baseball. That is how the greats are judged. Longevity is a part of it but not all of it. Championships define quarterbacking & so is winning 4 times with 3 different teams. I mentioned Allen's career stats because you can't ignore them even though you have tried. Or is that part of your fake news bit here? If you don't mention his stats does it means they never actually happened? Like the modus operandi of a certain President of the United States with orange hair? 😉 That Damon Allen was just this guy who fluked out 22 years in the CFL as a starter stumbling from team to team. He was just this flawed qb with lousy mechanics who managed to somehow throw for over 72,000 yards, had over 11,000 yards rushing & won 4 Grey Cups with 3 different teams. He was the Grey Cup MVP 3 times while being the league's all time leading passer for 12 seasons. To you, that's not elite but Allen was just lucky & overrated???

Okay, so what did Fred Childress, a LT ever do to piss you off?

You're point isn't proven at all. In fact your argument absolutely makes no sense.

Wade Miller: Leave. Our. Uniforms. Alone. https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=B2SGzkhe&id=D6FAF59222BBB939FE56011DFF55F3E7EFB1BEAF&thid=OIP.B2SGzkhe4yk7Se1pgmiSHAEsDH&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2fi.makeagif.com%2fmedia%2f11-08-2015%2fNxNWHo.gif&exph=213&expw=320&q=leave+brittany+alone+gif&simid=608041303186868920&ck=7325C73A30B4C9715AD75E288F172745&selectedIndex=71&ajaxhist=0

You know, maybe if a single player still living at home having just graduated & has no income coming in & would play for food & a roof over his head even in pandemic. But if a player is married at 26 or 27 with a couple of young kids they have financial comittments like all of us do. They all have jobs at that age as well as responsibilities. Why would they leave their jobs for a pay cut? If I was one of those guys, I'd never play. Not for the money the CFL has offered.

Not really. Zach Collaros played extremely well on that Grey Cup run. He deserves as much credit for that GC win as does Chris Streveler. Put Streveler as the starter with the Bombers & we're 7-11 at best & 5-12 at worst. Put Glenn as the starter & we're 13-5 or 11-7 at worst but not necessarily champs without Streveler. He's at his best in at key situations when the offense has bogged down. Or we need a spark to get going & then he's money. Not money as a starter, though He doesn't have it as the starter. Streveler's strength was coming off the bench on short yardage or goal line, throw a few passes & terrorize the defense for a couple of series with his running ability. Enough to change the momentum of a game. In other words, a situational qb. But he's not a starting qb. I don't think he ever will be. We'll see how he is used in Arizona.

Maybe...

I know & I don't disagree. But getting back to Damon Allen how can anyone say he wasn't elite when he won 3 Grey Cups with 3 different teams & was the CFL's leading passer with over 72,000 yards for 11 years? Saying the only reason he got those stats is because he played a long time is totally inaccurate. He got those numbers because he was a damned good qb. He wouldn't have played that long for all of his head coaches if he didn't have talent. Allen wasn't fiery. He didn't wear his emotions on his sleeve like Matt Dunigan. He wasn't a screamer or a yeller. He was a quiet leader who let his play on the field do the talking. He had so much talent & smarts that the game was easy to him. To some fans it looked like he was disinterested at times but that was just his personality. Like I said, I'd take Damon Allen over Anthony Calvillo as my stating qb ten times out of 10.

I have no idea what your point is. Do you actually think Westwood is Top 5?

Lapo problems.

Three Grey Cups with 3 different teams. CFL's leading passer for 11 years. Shrinking violets don't play 20 seasons if they're **** assed scared. Lol. I get you & Relleon don't like the guy & that's fine but your absolute hatred makes no sense. I think he was a better qb than Anthony Calvillo. Ask yourself this question. Could Calvillo have won a Grey Cup with 3 different teams? My answer is no. Not a CHANCE.

Esks 1975's talking about 17to85's argument about longevity. Glenn was never dominant. He was a journeyman who'd never elevate his teammates. Allen was & could. Stegall was a dominant player. Right up there with the best with players like Pitts. Maybe even GOAT.

Not always. You wouldn't put your body on the line or be away from your young family for such little money. Most of these guys have jobs in the US. They can't afford to sit around doing nothing for 6 months of the year.

And we know someone will get seriously injured. For what?? A four figure salary south of $20,000 Canadian. Total BS. No way Ambrosie is telling the truth about playing this season. I'll believe the players version of things over anything Ambrosie says.

That's what he gets paid to do.

I don't like Madani either but it doesn't mean he's wrong. Only Ambrosie Fan Boyz can say what a GREAT JOB he's doing. You can thank Relleon for getting me going. Since he poked the bear... Not many players are going to come back for a third of their salary & be in a bubble for however many days it takes to finish the season. Ambrosie & the BOG knows that. That's why they proposed this. So, if the Players say no Ambrosie can turn around & say, "See, it wasn't the owners who cancelled. Blame the Players." I think that's been the plan all along. And the Ambrosie Fan Boyz will be drinking the koolaid all day long still singing his praises.

You guys who love Ambrosie can try to blow as much sunshine into this as you want. The guy is useless as Commissioner. He makes Jeff Orridge look like Pete Rozelle.

How many Grey Cups has Glenn won as a starter? Outstanding Player Awards? How many teams did he put on his back in the playoffs?

Once an Elk always an elk.

Nope. That name is seriously being considered as the new name for Washington. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=nfl+washington+considering+the+name+red+wolves&&view=detail&mid=273DDF8B8FACF0CD5820273DDF8B8FACF0CD5820&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dnfl%20washington%20considering%20the%20name%20red%20wolves%26qs%3Dn%26form%3DQBVR%26sp%3D-1%26pq%3Dnfl%20washington%20considering%20the%20name%20red%20wolves%26sc%3D0-46%26sk%3D%26cvid%3DB72E52059BB94C9BA4BE0087BF4D9315

It's 2020 so why not flood Rogers Centre?