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Yep. Its worth more for young guys with a lack of time as qb1 in ncaa/hs and no pro experience. Like bennett. And you do need it more in the cfl then in the nfl to get adapted to the game up here. But its still not a tool to highly refine qbs. Look at the amount of bench time a guy like MBT has had. It hasnt turned him into a great deal more then he was when he came out. Most qbs started 3 years + in HS, which is crazy competitive. + 3 years in college. That alone, 6 years of on the job experience is massive. You arent going to whole sale change a guy after that. His arm slot, release point mind set etc. Thats a big reason why im not a fan of bringing in qbs with broken / limited passing tool sets. Being able to run and scramble is great. but if you cant pass accurately, or if you cant make certain throws, or throws to part of the field when you become a pro chances are microscopic you ever will. And that means the up side is capped low.

You may not be able to see the difference in talent level between any thing but superstars and the rest but there is one. If you cant see that difference you may as well throw darts at a board covered with names.

If its not davis (personally i dont think it is) then its time to cut our losses. Bring in another young guy to groom. Going into camp against a guy like MBT with the amount of nfl TC/ps experience combined with being under a strong veteran 1 2 combo is a great way to push and pull the best out of a young qb.

The amount you can learn when you arent playing game speed, and arent being blitzed is highly over rated. Top qb picks in the nfl used to automatically sit for 1 year for bench learning. But that is more and more out the window. And even that, you didnt often see guys sit for more then 1 year and you see it less now.

That would be a good factor to include. Im not sure the compensation should be that high though. I dont think it should be prohibitive in signing FAs just value back. Though if its an extreme player signing like a BLM perhaps it should be as high as a first. But say your a team like us the couple years before this year. Even this last off season. Andrew harris, should his signing have cost us a first round pick? We have to allow down teams to be able to rebuild NI depth through the FA market with out hurting their NI depth further. Thats why i figure cash, neg listers, and mid tier picks. Like 3rd round down.

Mack in a limited role could be deadily good. Im a little surprised at steinauer. I thought he was a blue chipper at DC up here, and with another year or two would be a prime candidate for a HC job. I get when guys take HC jobs in the NCAA. you can make fantastic money, and have incredible job security for a coach. Combined with full control over your team and system. Not to mention coaching college guys is often considered easier then the pros. The lateral move going down is a bit of a shocker.

Id put him above guys like collaros and harris. Both have shown greater flashes then nichols is capable of, but both have shown not to be reliable. MR and BLM are clearly the class of cfl QBs. I think jennings has devalued him self some with his late season performance. And is pretty much alone at the top of the 2nd tier of starting QBs. Id also put ricky ray behind nichols. Hes a better player no question, but old and an even bigger reliability question. That kind of leaves nichols in a the middle of the pack with durant, Id take durant for the short term. But the balance between the amount of time nichols has left and the improvement durant would bring in the short term is awful close. Glenn I think is highly under rated for what he did in a horrible mess in MTL. Imop hes the best back up in the league. Above lulay, tate, franklin, masoli etc but of course with out an up side. What nichols can do and what lapo likes to do does indeed mesh very well. I dont think our WR talent syncs up as well with that system though. Harris fits in very well. And just how far that can take you with out the crazy amount of turn overs / top tier D is questionable.

Pretty much what has been happening with virtually every team for the past 10 years or so too. Just in contract form. I dont know any thing about the cases with contracts and who has what or if they can even have such an exit clause. But its been happening under the table so if its on paper or not doesnt really have much of an impact imop. And I think its good. If guys go down south and shine it helps the league out a great deal. Tons and tons and tons of players have said they were in an NFL camp with some one who played up here talked highly of it and it opened up their considerations to up here. Stuff like this and the games on ESPN help the talent level of the league a great deal.

This pretty much sums up the point better then any words could. Some times, producing a guy and watching him leave quickly with nothing to show hurts. Its not just NIs though. Guys like bruce and brian clark hurt a bunch. Id like to see MLB level compensation. Its not fair to force rookies, ni or other wise to play longer for teams that draft them. Id Like to see sliding scale cost for teams that sign league FAs. Maybe from cash to neg listers to depth picks. More of a tax to compensate the teams a little bit rather then to punish players for leaving. They are people after all. Forcing them to work for X company via draft, rights claim etc has allways sat poorly with me. The franchise rule in the nfl is appalling even more so.

The next guy would be durant almost certainly. Then perhaps Hank (shudder) maybe even ray. No matter what happens with nichols I dont think we will go into camp with glenn as the projected no1. Certainly not the guy MTL wants IMOP. Could be the guy TO would want. But they allready have a huge mess to deal with nichols isnt the guy for that situation. Ottawa or hamilton on the other hand with young guys who have shown flashes but have health knocks could be a good sleeper fit. Established teams with a strong support. A possession systems guy like him could be very desirable. I feel like for once there are more quality starting QBs on the free agent market then teams for them to start. We have a beastly OL, a ton of talent at WR and a massive D that carried much of the season. We made the play offs in the hard division etc etc. If im any of the starter quality QBs, this is the team i want to play for. The amount of money it would take to over come the difference between us, To/mtl and even ott/ham is massive. I really dont think so. More starting qbs then starting spots available. With a nichols -glenn esq combo not having a stud prospect isnt as big an issue. You can keep looking and get one that falls out with the nfl etc. Skill set wise id take MBT over bennett or davis any day. Davis and MBT are not young. And all three have a strong lack of experience. Limited college reps and even less pro. But guys like jennings, reilly and BLM didnt come up as incomplete passers. They had the ability to hit passes to any part of the field. Im all for getting a young guy like that to groom. But going "full court press" and over paying nichols only limits our ability to pay a higher end prospect qb to come in and sit on the bench. We dont have a reason or need to over nichols and I really dont think we, or any one else will. Some thing in the 300k range base with incentives. If he were to produce at an elite level next year i don think any one would have a problem if the incentives bumped him up to elite level pay.

3 guys im really happy to get to see in camp again. Guys who could easily be STers and maybe even rotational guys next year. I really hope butcher and intzandt re sign soon too.

think about that in reverse with walters offer from his alma mater what was that a year and a half ago? Man that sounds like a recipe for cellar dwelling als. that name makes me cringe soo hard. Hate the gliebermens soo much

the only make believe is you fooling your self into thinking those coaches were fired for no good reason. hey what franchise doesnt love searching for a new coach every year and paying 3+ coaches not to work for you.... Khari was on 3 teams after that. He played behind better ols and given the years he was in the league after leaving the blue he was healthy for a long while. He was done. Was it because or heavily aided by a crazy beating he took behind our OL? yeah. Im sure that had a big impact on it. But dont forget he played what 2 years maybe 2.5 with a poor ol? Plenty of qbs have seen that or longer with bad OLs. He lost his zip and touch. Which doesnt come from the shoulder.

He reminds me of a poor mans jonathon jennings. If we missed out on getting on of the vets who have played at a high level as a back up he would be a solid pick. In a tier with jeremiah masoli, and rakeem cato. Id rather have cato, but i dont think their is a big difference in the talent level.

toronto didnt so i would be wrong? by that logic because TO did would the rest of the league trade an all star DB under contract next year + a first rounder from a basement team for willy? No of course not. That situation does not by any means set the norm. toronto seemed to hope for the future in the willy trade. Id say most of the teams in the league would take glenn for a portion of a season or 1 season over willy. Easily. First over all means you have the ability to pre sign the guy and look at who you think is in the top tier who is signable and get a deal done. That said this crop DOES have a top talent available. Hes too high quality of a prospect, thats the problem. You are allways in a position to take BPA. And goosen didnt become a league average quality starting center till this year. he wasnt a sure thing or close to it. With couture, chung, goosen, bond, bryant, hardrick and foketi + a possible return of keeping / neufeld AND strong NI depth plus ratio breakers the bombers dont have to force an OL pick by any means. I would really like to see gray here though. If any position needs to be addressed its NI WR.

glenn was pure fire for a fist full of games in MTL. With probably the worst OL, nik lewis whose combined age and weight make wade miller feel better about him self and the head case player of the year. If you take away the one game against us and his season was very good. Consider the team around him and its exceptional. Really the difference is nichols can be more then year to year. Glenn cant. Due to the jump in nichols play as compared with the rest of his time as a starter you gotta have a back up that can come in and play. With glenn you need the same because he could go down or old age could get him at any point. That 1 + 2 combo is probably the best case scenario for us. The question means neither guy should warrant top tier money. An incentive laden deal + competition for the top spot is as good as it gets. That said a spot like ottawa or hamilton would be a good fit for him too. Two strong teams that could go into next year with ?s at QB. He could have the same kind of fit with them and maybe a better chance to steal a starter spot on a contender.

Khari wasnt injured. he was done. I do agree that his firing was pre mature. BUT in that era thats how things were done. Don mathews was fired for while not missing the play offs, richie was fired from MTL having made the play offs the previous year (at that point he might have only missed the play offs once, or not at all) Berry imop was kind of similar. In that the team tapered down a good chunk from 07-08. Going from the grey cup to 2 games under .500 and losing in the semi. in hind sight i think every one in bomber ville would have kept berry. But after mike kelly was hired I think most thought it would be a huge upgrade. I dont remember many at the time saying berry shouldnt have been axed after kelly signed on. Lapo did have a good bit of support from the fan base as a HC. Im not a fan of him as a OC. Never have been. We saw much of the same with him as a HC. Though I think he was better then most of the junk we've had as HC. If he could have got an offensive guru and let them run the offense he could have been a long term HC in the cfl. Moral of the story is there was plenty of reason for each firing. The leagues and times have changed. Back then guys like kent austin and chris jones would be canned quickly. And HCs have the shortest half life in sports. Your year to year no matter how long your contract is. A disappointing season is a fast way to be golfing the next year.

yeah pretty much. Soo much potential but hes the QB version of joe first half flemming. Or chris brazzell. That may well be true. The fact its the top pick changes things though imop. To making a terrible terrible deal doesnt set the market. But your probably right about the starting point being around a first pick. BLM despite being the ****** player of the year and playing on the king maker team in calgary has a value higher then can be quantified. reilly isnt far behind BLM if he is at all. He does a lot more with a lot less imop. Jonathon jennings ended the season and went into the play offs looking real bad. But hes still really young and has worlds of potential. BLM and reilly are worth a kings ransom. Jennings is worth a good bit more then TO paid for willy. The rest are hard to define due to various circumstances. But the next tier of starters are still worth a first. Though more of a gamble. And collaros / harris arent guys id want to gamble on. Or hank. You have to consider what glenn was traded for. when he was dealt to us, i think most of the league would have taken him over willy for the short to medium term. then that would be my mistake. Averaged out though 9th the final is about his spot though. which is a big reach from 2. And the point remains the same. Half the first round will have been rated in the top half at some point in the previous year and half or so. If not more.

No joke. He was on fire for the first 4 weeks of the season then was awful. Hes one of the last guys id want.

Thats what the point was. Aside from this last draft we havent seemed to draft BPA with walters. I didnt list the 5th because it was the January rankings before the season he played. The other two were the post season and post combine/work out listing. Why would i list his ranking before the last season of college he played? Richards THEN was considered a big reach over durant who had fallen out of the first round. As shown, they were reaches. And the original point was that this administration does do things that are considered off board. Its not hind sight when your reaching to select players rated rounds below when they are picked.... which was the point..... I havent seen that. Can you post a link? Would sound about right though. Its the decision not the out come, but hes the weak spot easily in the line. Struggles to pick up and assign blitz and switch off, etc.

thorpe and steinauer are excellent DCs, but i worry they'd only be brought in if they run mos systems. Kinda similar to plop on offense, but his miss use of the running game, poor red zone schemes, poor use of the DI, etc i think would be improved by a good OC even stuck with in the same short pass possession offense.

Yeah first attempts are seldom successful but often the first step to the final solution. Any union really has to get the stars of the sport on its side when it gets its legal side straight. What a joke. He shouldnt have trouble making that weight with his build. It blows my mind how some of these guys get such terrible people working for them. Nutritionists, trainers, etc Derrick lewis and francis ngannou aka the great hope of the HW division both won friday. How they had this event with these two and didnt have them on 206 is a mind blowingly bad decision. I feel like if it was any other decision these guys would have fought each other all ready. Both got nice finishes of their respective soup can opponent. I cant wait for these guys to get some actual ranked HW ufc fights.

Well the discussion was about reaches vs taking the BPA. Both, were reaches. Goosen was ranked 9th in the final rankings and 15th in sept. Picked 2nd. Briggs was an even bigger reach.

goosen, richards, passing on lemar durant in the 2nd round twice. reaching for briggs. he was assistant GM and head of canadian scouting in 2013 which was an ugly draft too. The decision with garret waggoner has also been a hot topic, though I did and do like him as a player.

all though we have made some funny decisions on who the BPA was.