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right? you can play hurt you can’t play injured. playing guys repeatedly with torn acls etc is horrific. gross negligence

Havent seen it mentioned else where, but appearently Schoen has blown out the same ACL again. Same one he re injured, and then tried to play through in the LDC. Guy was clearly not even close to ready all year. Yet we've kept trying to hammer him back into the roster. And now, we've very, very likely ruined him and his career. Clearly, the guy will play through any level of pain and try to help his team out. The staff, and especially Mos have failed to protect him as a player, and the teams investment in him. It's a series of unforgiveable, unconscionable mistakes. They just ruined a generational talent, and who knows what his quality of life will end up like down the road.

On one hand I'd rather see houston in, on the other, some continuity might be good for the young guys. I wonder if Kramdi is going to be playing 2nd S etc again. Griffin is better than package wil, if any thing he should start over either corner. I hope vanterpool starts. Glad we aren't gonna be in a bad spot with vibert or eli at G. I'd rather keep Cobb on than corc. he has good hand's but not a lot else, where as cobb can fill in and do a lot more in a pinch. I wonder if Mitchell will take part of the return duties with logan off. WR core could be decent, if we use mitchell and wheatfall actually has a game. I'd like to see one of those 2 sat if they struggle though. hate the DL. 100%. IIRC, Makonzo has been practicing for a while. Shay and Smith are extremely high upside Nis that need reps. We are over extending at DL, if we ran an imp dt again we wouldn't be. bailey at DE gives us the ability to create ratio flex with de. Wr isn't real thin for NI, cobb is on the pr and shouldn't be imo. Peterson is an excellent back up ni rb, Ol is thin with injuries. Eli/wallace as back ups with vanterpool back is actually pretty good ni depth. Imo, the problem is our use of canadians. We over use some guys who shouldn't be on the AR, and under use younger better players. Then we also over extend our ratio flexibility by taking off the wrong imps.

lol youre right. Thats some play off mop level performance posting right there.

If Jake went up, we would have to put about 100 other guys up. Tyrone jones announced just this year, no guy like jake is ever getting to the ring. Nuef isn't going to get a shot, and he would be far more worthy. Zach, wj, bryant and if brady keeps it up for a few more years he goes up.

Centres do, actually. Teams play a nose, twist, or cross face our centre on the massive majority of passing downs.

man eli has struggled in pass pro at G, vibert has upside but i think he’s a year two step up away from being a guy you’re comfy with. That said, it’d be funny if vibert is on the ar because then eli is the 3rd best centre at best on our ar lol

boy if wallace and vanterpool are both out we are in real trouble

tbh, if i’m them I would pack it in already. they aren’t gonna contend this year or come close. get dru 100% for next year, and focus on adding to that line so he can be healthier next year. Dru really needs to be healthy next year. another year like this one and he’s gonna end up too broken to be a qb1

it’s talent kyrie almost 2/3 of the season to get to a good game. he might be great the rest of the year if he stays healthy. but we could have the same level of play by now from one of the young guys with a future. It’s just wild. ugh kornelson back is bad news bears. bet one of woods/adams gets walking papers soon. I like oyelola, super athletic with plenty of raw talent. much better than weitz. but watch us cut bailey instead.

Khari was soo damn good at getting the ball out quick on a rope, letting milt run under it. And yeah they played like they had a headset and mic to each other. Such a thing of beauty to watch.

I'm a bit split on that. On one hand, the gm is ultimately the one responsible for on field product. If he defers to the HC (and I think walters does to mos), and it doens't work out, the gm is as much to blame as the hc. I think rookie talent has been where it needs to be in this and the last camp. Not as much the prior year. Even when I look at the current roster, Vaval has been drastically better as a kr than Logan ever has. Logan has been a bust on offence (doesn't look right at all currently.) and peterson has been better for certain. Adams and Woods are our 2 best DTs by a lot, but are on the PR. We'd be better off with houston or woodey playing the db reps vaval has gotten, and probably lawson jr too. person has been our best Dl and played the fewest snaps. We've got young, athletic defenders who make an impact when given a chance in Jjones, shay, smith, and ayers, but we won't let them grow into and over take vets. We've wasted soo many final roster spots on guys like korny, Weitz etc but refuse to give bailey a look. \ We keep guys like case kicking around for no reason as well. Thats all on mos, and thats before you get into the can of worms that is thomas/kola. I think the easiest way to fix the problem with the mafia, is to shake up the top end. I think it's easier to find a GM, than a HC, and a gm who would actually be MOS' boss holding him responsible could get him back on the right track possibly. I also don't think we are approaching a point where the only way forward is firing a mafia guy, I think it's long past.

Nailed it. Also the one game against mtl. last time brady had 20 (or more than 18 even) or more caries in a game was week 18 of last year. 2 100 yard or more rushing games this year for us, and 1 game with 18 or more carries. He needs to have a couple really big games to have a chance to break 1k this year.

Yep. For ages, other teams busted us on looks like that. Going back to ricky ray in edmonton. Vaughn used to cut us up any time we blitzed. It's funny, we are soo conservative with route concepts, trying to keep passes in safe, easy places that zach just takes shots on his own into worse postions any way. Imagine Demski on a slant at the seam behind the second level when a team blitzes us. He's hard to tackle for box players with a head of steam. Good luck to the halfs and S.

The worst starting centre I've seen at a d1 level or higher for probably 20 years. Then add in this year he has the yips on a good 5+ snaps agame.

yep i was just mentioning that in the other thread. teams cue off our izr/tire scheme very quickly. occasionally we will throw out a heavy set and run some power scheme, or maybe 5 times a year throw some thing like a counter/ counter trap, or maybe a sweep. Inside zone, outside zone, and wide zone all work off each other and take advantage of defensive adjustments soo well. they crash inside you run wide zone to use the Ds aggressiveness to take inside leverage against them grab out side position and bust big gains. when they start chasing to the sidelines you run outside zone and let them get side line pursuit angles then cut back to a wall of blockers. You can also use the jet motion for split zone, and run mid zone to exploit the D and break wide or tite zones with more multiple aiming points from the back in stretch or drive aiming and open cut back lanes. We have the back to add complexity to the run scheme and the ol coach. if we put vanterpool back in we have a much better ol to take advantage of.

on top of that, none of our guys have experience learning or working in an rpo system. buck and suck learned from lapo, who imitated from game film. but none of them has the experience to understand the nuance of how to read the target, how to disguise the act of reading and blend it with normal plays, or even the mechanics of pull to release. at a pro level, rpo is really demanding. you have to recognize the slight difference in defender angles and exploit it quickly. There’s a great video on yt about peyton manning and how much work he put in to his mechanics on play action, stretch and other hand off techniques. Defences are better than ever at picking up cues from offense. It’s similar to how we never managed to evolve as a zone run, spread to run team beyond tight/izr. you go back to chip kellys years in oregon and soo many others and you see new wrinkles and evolution each year.

one game sure. the season or the last year and a half? no. compare best games to best games this year and still nope.

vaj isn’t slightly above average. he hasn’t been that guy since he got to bc. We don’t though. on just 4 more attempts vaj has almost 500 more yards, 10.1 yards per vs 8.5, 105.9 qbr vs 98.5, 15/8 vs 13/11. Mop is likely between harris and vaj.

we aren’t running that much rpo. suitor thinks every pa play is rpo, it isn’t. It’s pretty easy to identify when we do run rpo, because we aren’t very good at it. watch zachs head/shoulders. if he’s looking at brady, he isn’t reading any one on the D. when we run rpo, you can see him stare down the key play on D. usually you would read the edge and bootleg based on his angle or pursuit. For us, we’ve read sam/wil on medium short passes that are quick, and run what I call fake rpo. which is when you go to the huddle with a call change based on pre set alignment. Buck did a lot of this prior to last year to try and speed up getting the ball out. if the slot coverage (half,sam,wil) is too far off, zach throws a snag, hitch, screen etc. it’s a no signal check run from the snap. We used to try and do pin and pull rpos like that especially with strevy going back to lapo.

Sports attract hard-headed people; how else would sports or teams survive dark eras like the Reinbold, Kelly, etc? That said, a higher standard of conduct is to be expected from a professional in any field. Especially in a customer-facing entertainment field. And I don't think that is some crazy, unfair expectation. HCs don't need to be amiable; plenty of the most successful coaches have been grumpy at the best of times. But any HC in any pro sport needs to be able to grow and change with time in order to survive.

Thing is, both those teams fell backwards into MOP level QBs. Like we did late in 19. But who would be available for that type of swing going forward? Zach was hit double-digit times in the LDC, which is the worst case for any QB. How much longer can he hold up under that kind of barrage? Even at that, his arm is just barely enough to get by on deep balls now. We have no margin for error with him now, and no foreseable escape plan at QB. Yep, I think both came as a forced evolution due to the fact that neither line is capable of bully ball. Hall used to be able to get pressure with 4 guys. it took a while to get the guys able to fit that need, and people hated his soft saggy coverage. But when we had enough guys to rotate through and get pressure with 5 or less his D flourished. On O, we went from a team that could run on any one, to a team that could run on most teams, to now a team that can only run on weak run Ds. I don't think full scale blows ups and lengthy rebuilds work out very well in the CFL. But in order to turn it around you 1, have to be willing to spend top dollars on other teams FAs, and 2, find your self with a QB who can win and has enough tread on the tires to play your window of compeitition. I don't think we have either of those factors right now. 100%. And Walters has shown a reluctance to put on his big boy pants with mos.

I think that is a symptom of the greater problem. I'm a big fan of both those guys, but in general, since the 19 GC win, we've been losing more than we have brought in. That is across the board and from the roster up to management. From Kongbo, Hansen, Alford, Desjarlais, Stove, Lawler (twice), etc, over to Ryan, Ted, Cyril, Bourgoins, and more. We have hemorrhaged talent in all areas and brought in very little to replace the losses. Championship teams always go through that. But where prior to 19, we played an active role in FA trying to improve, we became complacent and expected that retaining as many of our pieces and developing guys internally would keep us at the top of the league. Problem is, many of our best moves in the mafia era are free agent scores from other teams. Combine that with the fact that our coach wants to ride the old guard into the dust, no matter who is backing them up and what they are capable of, and you have a massive collapse of what should've been the greatest dynasty in league history. The problem is Mos, but it is also Walters. And it's also Wade for not prevent the other 2 from messing up so badly. They need to skip blame (which they would't consider any way) and go right into root cause and repair. Whose replacement makes you better off, today and in the future? Who is easier to replace, and can either be recovered to be top tier in their jobs here again? But I don't think anyone involved is willing to have that conversation yet. It might not even end up being one; it might be Wade getting called into a BOG meeting and getting the choice of who goes. As others have pointed out, the Ham game after the BJB will be a big game for us. 3-5 in our last 8 games. if we win 1 of the next 2, bc/edmonton likely passes us for the last play off spot in the west / the cross over. After that, we had Ham, Ssk, and Mtl, which will all be tough win,s plus ott in ot,t which is always hard for us. The 1 remaining game, vs edm on the road, might not be a freebie either. With 7 games left, 4 wins likely gaurentees the play offs. 3 wins, if we beat edmonton likely puts us in. But in that case, we need toronto to strugle down the stretch.

he hasn’t disappeared, he’s consistently gaining more per punt return than the rest of the leagues returners. he hasn’t had an explosive big return, but that’s never sustainable. I look forward to seeing what vaval does when he takes a step forward in development. Right now, i’d rather start houston and use vaval as the dime and both return jobs, but we are pretty set on logan unfortunately.

vaval has been better much of the year than grant in both pr and kr. he had a couple games with rookie brain, and a bobble or two but grant hasn’t been healthy the whole year and has had struggles him self with handles. since the tds, vaval has still been one of the best pr in the league. they only took kr duties off him because he’s starting at cb, as a rookie no less. Sky is the limit for vaval, who has also had solid stints at db. The only thing grant has on vaval is reputation and age.