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I think Mos has been working off a 1-year for a bit, though. It certainly isn't optimal if you need to change your HC/coaching staff. But if you don't even factor that in, it lets you adjust the HC pay around the coaching staffs each year.

That is possible, I don't think the term was ever announced.

Crazy indeed. I was just opining that we would offer him a similar role... I still can't believe the Argos messed up that badly. Their problems didn't occur because of Dinwiddie. Pinball kind a seems like a coach killer... I wonder if toronto makes the same offer to Mos, boy this off season could be real interesting. Right? They already have some of his old buddies too in Eiben, Marshall, and costanza.

How many Cos have the mafia canned? Hall stepped into a lower role for JY. Lapo left for a HC gig. Bellefeuille had his contract expire. Paul Boudreau had his deal expire with no extension offered. That one was more public, we aren't bringing you back. Then we canned Gary Etcheverry between seasons while under contract. Wow, that is depressing. Hogan is every bit as bad as Etch was here. He 100% deserves the axe. Boy, I can not fathom trying to run it back with Hogan...

He is big enough to run through arm tackles, with similar running power to Bell, Butler, and Rankin. It's not like Brady is out there trucking through guys every carry. especially not this year. As long as you are reasonably quick with decent balance and a basic level of running power, you can churn out yards. We could also bring in a 3rd back on a base deal who is more polished than MCI, with pile pushing power. If MCI takes a step forward, it isn't really needed. Or if Peterson does either tbh. If neither does, we can accomplish our goal with the run game. If you take out Peterson's longest run, he's still getting 4.4 yards per, and looking back at his game logs, only 29% of his carries went from less than 4 yards. Cooley was double that. Augustine had drastically worse splits here. We don't need 200+ carries out of him a year.

Same reason we don't blame Darrell Patterson for guys like Thomas and Korny. You can't take a sow's ear and make a silk purse. 100%

I don't think you can really do much evaluation in practice at all when it comes to non-vets. It's a little more than a warm-up before a game now. Rust isn't an issue, a chance to progress for sure that lots of guys need. Eli has played as much as a 6th OL can. I really think thats just a case of how we value the 6th ol and the love of kola for mos.

I don't think he is actually that versatile. At G, he isn't good enough in pass pro (next to Kola anyway), and he isn't able to play the edge other than on sets where we play heavy vs small. If he was more versatile, he'd be a starting Guard imo. If Eli isn't ever going to be more than a 6th ol, if he isn't good enough in pass pro to be a starting C, we just need to move on from him. The replacement level NI interior OL is a bunch of guys who can run block man to man, and don't have the feet to pass pro. Ethan Vibert is a super versatile guy. He's got a pro-ready body at G or C he's an above-average athlete, a little below Desjarlais' level, but well above average. He played multiple roles on a good line in the NCAA. He can play either G spot or C, and he excelled as a short-yardage/teams blocker. He's also got great football IQ, and that tough/nasty mind set and play style we love. If Eli isn't gonna be given a chance / be a legit threat to take the starting C job next year, he shouldn't be back. Because Vibert is ready for that 6th ol role and has the upside to be a starter in this league.

I don't blame him for kicking around and seeing if he can get on an NFL pr for the remainder of the NFL season. It makes a lot more sense than sitting as the 4th QB on our PR for part of the season. So long as he doesn't waste next years TC here trying to fish for another NFL TC invite.

It could, but we need to make room to make significant additions to DL, OL, WR, and QB2. Which are the 4 most expensive positions. The club really need to shed a lot of dead weight this off season. I could see some one giving Wheatfall a nice deal to see if he can step up into a no1 role with their system.

Good call, Powell would be a top target for me, along with Crum. If we bring in 1 of those 2, bring in Elgersma, and have Zach back, that is about as good as it can get for us. Personally, I would only give 1 of chase/wilson a rookie camp deal to compete with a couple new rookie arms. I'd give Crum/Powell a 180-200k base deal with heavy incentives if they take the qb1 spot and do well. Also, I neglected to mention the pest in Toronto. I expect him to be on the market this year. But I am firmly betting on Edmonton getting him. That's a good point. I could see Woodbey in the NFL next year. I'd sure bring him in if I were them. He showed he can cover WRs from over the top very well, use his athleticism and size to make an impact coming downhill, and he's a good teams guy. I mean his ability to cover combined with his size alone is extremely valuable, quick like a db too.

If we are willing to move forward with the Canadians, I can see moving on from Ayers. Even though I love the way that guy plays and his talent level is exceptional. I don't think much of wheatfall, wilson and vaughters would be nice to move on from. But I don't think any of that will happen. we paid them and they performed modestly better, and mos is married to wilson. 225k was too much for demski, but then last year was his best year as a go to wr. and We have such a need at that position, he does soo much for our offence IDK how we move on from him. That would be ideal, but again I don't think that will happen unless Nichols leaves for greener pastures. Smith could play kramdis' role imo. But we could also use griffin or woodbey and slide smith into an even easier position if needed.

Ayers got NFL interest as a cover guy, and that will very likely be the case again. The rookie deals for Ayers, Wheatfall, and Wilson are all really low. Moving up to vet deals will easily see them go up in the 30-40k range minimum each. I could see some one going after Ayers to make him a starter as well. He is a way better football player than his role here.

It is not a pretty list right now, thats for sure. But, I do think we will see teams cutting their vet back ups and trying to make moves. We can also see a trade for a back up with a higher salary. The pending FA QB I would go after is Dustin Crum. I think the following guys will also be on the market one way or another this year. Faj, MBT, Ford, PJ walker, Shiltz, and Evans. I expect Masoli retires and maybe moves into coaching.

I think both Peterson and MCI would top out at 80k if we signed them to the max. 70k on min. With Brady at 240k, we could draft another guy at the min, and run those 3 cheaper than Brady alone. Again, I love Brady, but the deal doesn't make sense. We have a LOT of gaps that need to be filled in free agency. We have to be buyers, and we will likely have to overspend to get guys. MCIs blocking and power potential, combined with Peterson's ability to step in is too good. By that means, when we start 9-10 Canadians, is Jake Thomas the best DT on our roster, including the Americans? Why did Lawson jr start over Cam and Woodbey who are significantly better? We know Mos doesn't assign spots based on production or talent. This has happened at multiple positions every year he has been here. Eli may not be the ideal answer at C, but he is an answer at C. Having watched him play, I fully believe he is starter-calibre in the CFL. But we value the 6th OL the same way we value a starting OL. And Kola, is not even a fringe AR player in the CFL.

Yep. Kramdi, 151k. Nichols 142k. Holm 141k. I believe 155k for Lawson. 183k for Bryant. 132k for Jones. 130k for Kyrie. 165k for vaughters. 200k for wj. Then you know for sure, guys like Kola and Neuf are in the 130-150k range. Thats about 1.25m bucks, not including the other ol. Spending another 1.05-1.1m on Zach, Demki, and Brady. We can get rid of a few boat anchors, like wj maybe vaughters. But we can't get rid of all our canadians and we won't get rid of our DBs. It's crazy how we went from refusing to pay DBs having rose and BA play for peanuts to paying all our dbs a fortune. From what I've seen, a lot of Zach's money is locked in. I don't think we can save more than a minimum salary if he is willing to. We will likely have to spend more money on qb2 this coming year as well. Strevy took a bet on him self deal with a really low base, that did not work out for him at all. he got barely 100k, when most established back ups got around 180k with incentives to go up to 250-300. The following guys are FAs and will probably looking for raises as well Ayers, Demski, Nichols, Randolph, Vanterpool, Wheatfall, Vaughters and Wilson. I don't see us getting many team friendly deals with the direction of the team.

yeah it’d suck big time, but that’s pro football sadly. No reward to keeping guys around as the peak. Paying a mill to brady zach and demski is unsustainable, maybe even puts us in an un winnable situation next year. And I don’t think zach can go down much. Nor do I think he would. To be fair, it did look to me like jackson was calling the plays. But with some awful playbook install.

off season rules in place now, Discussion follows the few active threads.

sure wish we had done a semi competent job of developing mci in the two years we’ve had him, as a rb. Peterson is legit, he isn’t the pile pusher brady is, but if we polished mci he could be a real game changer with that break away speed. I love brady, both the player and the person. He turns 29 next season, and has essentially 1k carries. I’m sure he has 2 strong campaigns left in him, and he can likely be a strong useful player for many years after that. All that said, we paid him 240k a year on this deal. Betts got 266k. So i expect brady to look for a raise, maybe 255k range. I just wouldn’t pay elite dl money to brady. Or two top 5-8 dl in the cfl levels of money. Elite wr money. Especially not with Peterson and mci, who will already be on the roster. If you move on from schoen, wj, and brady, you clear up a massive amount of cash that you could use to fix the dl and wr core. I really wonder how long he will play. I wouldn’t be disappointed if he decided to call it a career after one more 2-3 year deal with a bunch of front loaded bonus cash. Last thing I want to see is what happened to strevy/schoen. And he’s been a serious battering ram.

Reality of modern cfl offences is that you run out of pistol the majority of snaps. They use it with backs in various alignments, but hand offs from under centre and snaps to full shot gun in the regular operation of an offence is pretty rare. The pistol snap is much easier, and really should never be mechanically problematic. The Centre sets the line, is responsible for adjusting the line due to defensive alignment, there’s a lot of nuance to it the same way a mlb/S will set and order the D. In pass pro with out a man head up the C is responsible to pick up A gap blitzes, stunts, twists, and help on rushers who cross face the guard into his gap. Hes also the one who will help the G beside him pick up a dominant rusher for doubles, think how you’d block ceresna or sayles unless the line up in the far gap and don’t go inside after the snap. In the base tite zone scheme we run, it’ll most often be the C or play side guard who goes to the next level. The C basically is always going to double the T over the G when a nose isn’t in play on inside zone run schemes. They double to secure the point of attack, then the guy with leverage goes to the second level taking a lber out of the play and creating a large gap. If the gap gets filled that should then create a new gap for the back which is why vision and the timing pressing the line is always important for our backs. When a nose is in play, on runs it’ll generally be the G doubling with him and skipping to the second level. If its heavy set you would have a second linemen going to the second level, or if you read the end. None of which impacts the Cs role other then making sure every one is on the same page pre snap. In pass pro with an inside rusher, the Centres first job is to wall him off. If the dl breaks the anchor of the ol turning him or pushing him back, you end up un able to switch rushers. If a guy crosses your face and the guard on that side is straight rushing you go shoulder to shoulder and body block the crosser and help on the other T. make that guy have to go all the way around rather than pop off the guard who is engaged with the T. Call outs as adjustments are often silent once the huddle is broke. It’s a lot of the same signal ideas you see in silent cadence. Pointing, even using your arm to adjust a gap alignment. The communication is critical, it’s very nuanced and demands a great deal of trust and understanding of the play book, players both team mates and opposition, alignment etc. The greatest thing I can say about neufeld is he’s been one of the best trainers of centres the field has seen. He took soo many green rookies and molded them into elite Cs. With desjarlais, and peak Neufeld, beside bryant and hardrick, we didn’t need a lot out to our C. And Dls got soo beaten by those guys they didn’t look to exploit C, because we could cover early kola. And our previous Cs were very good at what they did. We got to a point where kola became exposed, and that by using that you can get the Gs out of leverage positions. Now teams run through him. It’s all give and take. If you are under sized but lean and athletic, especially if you have long arms and know how to maximize leverage relative to your height and the opposition it really doesn’t matter if you’re short or tall or 280 or 360. A couple caveats apply, 1) you must be able to lock up and dead lock a line men for 3 ish seconds. 2) you need to be better in using bend. 3) you need quick enough feet and mentally to get into a better position sooner. Size is less important at C and T than G. C you don’t usually play a dt heads up most of the time in the cfl. At T you battle ends in the 250 range. G, you will be facing guys 275-300+ and often really powerful althetic imps or huge canadian bulls. Height can be a negative for the C. With shorter qbs you don’t want some monster eating up passing lanes. taller than 6’3 ish you gotta be smart understand the qb, offence and stay low. In general linemen are more athletic and trimmer than before. 6’ and 275 is fine, if you’re athletic, smart, and cerebral. Going up to 300 is ideal, unless you have some strange build/frame combo.

I mean 3-4 targets down field in the cfl can be very hard to create opportunities with unless you have a very high level specific set of passing concepts and players. Of which we have neither. Yep, no one else goes guard to tackle on a regular basis. kola can’t create drive, so we have to chase a guard or further out. It’s a law excuse tbh. For one of the best defensive players and minds of his era, he should easily be able to help reverse engineer success from what defence do to limit our O, and create successful plays that put defenders in conflict and our skill players in space. Its not even a matter of needing to design new plays, virtually every play type imaginable is already drawn out and available on professional football XnO platforms like pro quick draw go route and tons more. Tons of teams have this stuff in visio and will send basic stuff to people in other leagues, conferences, levels etc. I don’t think you can bring that guy back in any role. Hes totally burnt here

except that’s not the case. He started a few games early on, and has been the best and most used 6ol in the league. You’d be stunned how much we have gone heavy set in the last two years.

This is what it comes down to. For who is worse between kola and jake, I’ll say kola 10 times out of 10. Jake is washed but kola is a never was good guy. A dud dt hurts, but in this league you can work around that. We did last year, and with the points allowed on D this year. Kola on the other hand, cripples the whole offence. When he gets down field he can never find a guy to block, he can’t lock a front 6 guy down when he gets on one, and is snaps have become brutal. Lt has long been considered the key cog in offensive lines all over football. The blind side protection was key and teams put their best pass rushers on that side. That lead to teams rushing their best dl at the rt who was often significantly worse. So demand became higher for RTs in pass protection. The new phase, is up the middle rushers. Guys like aaron donald, and chris jones who can dominate inside out, at most techniques with power and speed. We’ve seen guys from stove to bryant and johnson plus many more when it was our priority. Even adams who when fresh can beast mode any interior ol in the league on any given play. (problem is consistency with him.) As more and more teams carry more dl who are more athletic, a weak point at C becomes a free pass. For the past two plus years every team lines up a guy on the nose in passing downs, twists, or crosses the centres face on the huge majority of snaps. Because every one knows you can get easy free disruption going at kola. That’s why his snaps are suffering, he’s routinely getting his butt beat. not just blown by, but turned around, thrown down, powered through. Kola is the worst starter in the league. kornelson and jake are in the top 5 for worst players though. I’m preparing a soft padded room for my self when the news comes out that kola and thomas will be back

gm mos is worst case ontario Probably right that both are back.

I believe that’s an un official thing that’s been broken a few times. They usually are confident right to the end. Ugh gm mos sounds awful. We should can one, but I think we run both back unless one decides to take another job.