Colin Unger
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20 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:
Milt has 25 receptions for 469 yards and 4 tds in 6 games as a rookie. 34 receptions for 613 yards and 6 tds in 11 games as a 2nd year before injury. That's 17 games, 59 receptions, 1082 yards and 10 tds. Inconsistent my ass.
Schoen led the league in receiving as a rookie.
Lawler was our leading receiver in 2019 which was his first year with us.
You're 100% wrong about everything you posted.
Not wrong at all. I already acknowledge that Schoen was the outlier not disputing that.
Do you guys no remember the big drops milt had as a rookie? I know he also made a lot of big plays. He was also not what would be considered a true rookie the way Wilson is today. He had played in actual NFL games. And Wilson's stats are not that different than Milt from early on. Even if Milt had no drops his rookie year the point I'm making that most of our top receivers didn't do it as a true rookie is still 100% valid. I was never making an argument that these other receivers didn't do more their first year with the bombers. I was arguing that most of our greats weren't thrust into action as true CFL rookies so you can't compare what they did in their first season as a bomber to Wilson. And had these guys been starting every game as true rookies some of them may very well have under performed Wilson. Again.. with Lawler he was an NFL draft pick and spent considerable time on NFL and CFL practice rosters. Had multiple nfl training camps and multiple cfl training camps before playing.
Wilson is on pace for:
Receptions: 67.5
Yards: 1041.75
Touchdowns: 4.5
Sure the touchdown are low but when you consider the percentage of all TD's thrown by Zach that he's captured i don't think you can hold that against him.
I also want to add that im not comparing him to our greats because I think he's going to be one of them. Im comparing him because our greats are the highest standard i can compare him too and even most of these guys didn't get thrown out there as genuine rookies. -
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13 minutes ago, Noeller said:
CFL will be his last resort. He's made it pretty clear that he has no interest playing here.
I thought he just said the other day he'd love to come back to the BC Lions when/if his NFL door closes. It seems like his door is pretty close to being closed right now.
30 minutes ago, wbbfan said:Rourke cut. Let the hand wringing begin. Even though I very much doubt he will be back In the league this year and we can’t afford him.
I don't think we will really benefit from him coming back even in this offseason. He's made it clear his first choice is BC. Unless BC decides to stick with Adams Jr. which i don't think they would do we are kind of screwed. BC can sign Rourke and trade Adams Jr. to Hamilton or a different out of the division team. Even if BC wins the cup and they decide to stick with Adams Jr we'd have to be sure that we could move Zach to a different team who would take on Zach's gaurenteed money in order to be able to negotiate with Rourke who will no double become the highest paid player in the CFL. And just about every team in the league will go after him so why would he sign with a non-playoff team that doesn't have its **** together.
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6 minutes ago, Pete said:
Wilson is a keeper, he's now showing the instincts and familiarity with Collaros to come back to the qb when Zac is scrambling. Hés our only receiver that's creating any separation.. I wouldn't be surprised if next year we decide to go with Wilson and choose between Schoen and Lawler. This year has shown us that you can't put all your salary into receivers and not on the oline and dline. Only way we keep Schoen and Lawler is if each takes a major cut and Demski renegotiates his contract.
Ive been thinking that too. If Wilson continues to improve and puts up 1000 yards plus we would have to really consider trading one of Lawler or Schoen and spend the money elsewhere. Zach needs to take a paycut and also bring back Lapo to coach the offence. He'd be more willing to use Streveler regularly in the offense and would be the right offensive co-ordinator for a future when Streveler gets a chance to be our starter. Draft an offensive lineman with a top 3 pick. Nuefeld retires Kolo cut. Free agent dollars spent on a fire breathing defensive end and offensive tackle ect.
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3 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
I don't agree with that... Lawler was a forgotten man in the nichols/lapo we can't throw more than 5 yards downfield offense, the second the change happened at qb he showed his stuff. Schoen never showed suspect hands and was a great route runner from the get go... demski has been who he is for a long time. Good player with a tendency to fumble because his ball security is lacking at times.
People want to get hyped on Wilson fine, but he still needs to show a better ability to catch the ball too.
We never had Demski as a rookie. He had 3 years to develop and become a professional before coming here. Keep in mind Ontaria isn't a 26 year old rookie like Shemar Bridges in hamilton who spent considerable time on an NFL practice roster. Ontaria is 24 and after college went to one NFL training camp and is here.
Lawler was an NFL draft pick and spent and entire year on an NFL practice roster and then went to camp with the BC lions and spent most of his first year on an NFL practice roster.
Geroy Simon spent a full year on the practice roster before becoming a starter. He struggled as rookie with having short arms when trying to make contested catches. Needed time to get settled and not be intimidated by the professional game.Schoen would be one example that goes the other way. He did spent time with 4 NFL teams but was never on a practice roster for very long. Similar age when he came up here to Ontaria Wilson but Scheon is the exception rather than the rule. I think it goes without saying that Scheon was a more impressive rookie than Ontaria Wilson.
Just now, 17to85 said:Did we just forget all the other games? And he nearly gassed that td pass last night when he was wide ******* open and the qb dropped it right onto him.
Why would we care about the other games? A raw rookie just getting his feet wet and then made a big play and his confidence started take off. What value do those early games have. When I start a new job it takes some time to learn my responsibilities, get my feet wet, and confidence up. But once it clicks why would i be worry about my performance on day one of the job?
The criticism before last night was that he only had one big game. Now the evidence says he's not a one game wonder. I'm not against some degree of caution but I think its more than fair to be excited about the guy especially on a team with little to no excitement outside of Wilson right now.
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8 hours ago, 17to85 said:
Ehhh he still has iffy hands. His touchdown was uuuugggggllllyyyy. He's got potential for sure but he needs to catch the ball better. Right now he's 2 out of 8 good games.
I view it as 2 out of 3 elite games and he's doing it while he's the only really skilled receiver we are throwing out there. He'll be a real gem once Lawler. If i was other teams id be leaving Demski open right now begging for him to get the ball in his hands.
Wilson at least recovers his own fumbles and has the skill to catch the ball he almost dropped on the rebound. Its just rookie nerves. What's the excuse of our veterans who keep giving the game away while Wilson saves them?
22 minutes ago, 17to85 said:Oh I'd like him better as the 4th receiver but hands are a big deal for a receiver to me and he's shaky catching the ball too often. I'm not ready to run him out of town, but until he doesn't juggle **** like that touchdown I reserve the right to be skeptical about how reliable he is.
Most of our best receivers were far worse as rookies or sitting on the practice roster. He's not his fault that he's the only receiver worth a damn we're fielding right now and he has to carry the offence.
Not sure if many of you are old enough to vividly remember how inconsistent Milt was his first couple years. The touchdowns he dropped still haunt me. -
I get that people don't want to hear old warn out lines from the coach at a time like this. I personally couldn't care less what he says. Its a crappy situation. I'd rather no even listen to the coach right now or the players. I'm still willing to follow roster moves, practice reports and watch games but that's where i draw the line right now. I'm not a glutton for punishment.
6 minutes ago, Alpaca said:I’ve been an absolute diehard since mid 80’s but I’m out. I know it’s rider fanish to say but I’m not watching anymore more games with this regime/team. And ya I’ll gladly let that door hit me on the way out. Spank the f*CK outta me! Peace
Are you gonna check the score?
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Ontaria Wilson is legit! Problem is he's the only receiver on the field right now that's playing above replacement level.
1 minute ago, deepsixemtoboyd said:I dunno, man. Missed 2 pressure kicks, end of half and again in OT. Not pro level. No excuses. huge contribution to the loss.
I just wish the refs hadn't stolen the ball from us at the end of the 4th quarter. I would have loved a FG miss for a single point at that juncture.
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Just now, Atomic said:
DT asked O'Shea if Neufeld was pulled for injury or performance reasons and O'Shea said "We'll see." ???
What an interesting comment. It says everything. He was pulled due to the team's desire to get better.
Eli was terrible on those back to back sacks but he must have settled in after that. Lets keep playing him and let offensive line gel with him in it. -
The nice thing is the pain of a close loss should get easier going forward. At this point there's not a lot of hope left to salvage.
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There definitely should be accountability but it doesn't need to happen in any kind of public shaming type of way.
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Nobody deserved a victory for their performance today. Unfortunately, the only crew getting consequences for their poor performance is the one that actually played the best out of the three. The refs and the Argos get off scotch free.
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With Zach out we’ve lost Streveler as a potential receiver so we are down to Augustine and Jefferson?
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We can’t be fumbling but it seems also that the only plays we are executing are high danger passes.
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Just now, Super Duper Negatron said:
Also done with Buck to be honest. I wanted to move on from him last year...
Lapo is available.
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Alexandre can’t tackle anymore
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My prediction was based on Dukes not Arbuckle.
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Can’t really complain about not having time to throw so far.
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1 hour ago, BBRT said:
Mookie! Always the optimist! I think Grant will be the difference for the Argos. I am not sure we can put enough pressure on Dukes and I am afraid Zack is past his best before days. But hope springs eternal and I will be in front of the TV with a cold ice tea rooting for the Blue as usual.
In his last 4 games Dukes has thrown 5 interceptions and 1 touchdown pass. Winnipeg has been highly competitive all season save for the season opener vs Montreal. After a big disappointing loss last week I'm expecting a rebound and getting back to the winning ways of the 2 previous games. This season will be going nowhere fast if we can't win a game against Dukes when we need one. Patterson is significantly better than Dukes.
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As it sits right now I'm expecting a win for the bombers. They've won 2 out of 3. Dukes seems to be losing his confidence. They will be keeping Grant contained. If we can limit turnovers and contain Grant i think Dukes will hand us the victory. Toronto is good enough the run but not as good as Saskatchewan. We'll need to establish Brady offensively and control the clock.
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And when is it my turn to start a GDT?
- Eternal optimist and Rod Black
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GDT - Winnipeg Blue Bombers at Toronto Argonauts
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The team should tell him he's going to have to use chipped balls again if he keeps missing kicks.
The problem is overall reduced talent level. We could typically handle a few things going against us and somebody would make a play and we'd still win or we'd be up by so much it wouldn't matter. And we also have guys who are trying to do too much that they're becoming too careless with ball security. Its a typical team that's just barely on the wrong side of being good enough.