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So in summary ZC's protection issues are the fault of Jake Thomas, I mean the fault of a combination of things including scheme, linemen lack of execution, ZC's happy feet and lessening ability to adapt to and/or escape pressure not to mention the fact of other teams superior DLine compared to ours.

His protection has been getting worse year over year for the last three or so and been increasingly uncomfortable in the pocket. Scheme (this year) was definitely a factor but Zach himself has gotten happy feet and he's as much to blame for the shots he takes as is the inadequacy of the offensive line or any offensive scheme.

https://3downnation.com/2025/12/11/five-finalists-for-2025-jon-cornish-trophy-unveiled/ This year's nominees for the Jon Cornish Award. Featuring the son of David Benefield, Ty Benefield. Antawn Raymond is a really good one on that list, too. He has such a great mix of power and speed/quicks. Both of them, plus Mesidor and Elad, will be NFL-bound, I'm sure.

I blame scheme more than OL for the hits Zach was taking to be honest.

Insanity later.....

Yup but this is what I would look like as I'm chipping in my money. Love you JT.

So you don't want to chip in for a gift for Jake when he hangs up his cleats?

Rumours of a Doomsday trailer today... We shall see.

Yup and we will never know what's correct here if we continue to play players like JT etc.

Yup I'm still thinking an upright less disrupted ZC can get the job done. Sooner than later though, we need to find our next long term QB, there's no doubt about that.

Which of the 3 had the worst OL... That's a more important topic of discussion.

That is one way to look at it and it very well could be correct... or it could be correct that there was more talent here than roster usage showed.

Bo got his shoulder healthier and Harris stayed healthy this past season... neither one ever relied on their athleticism as much as collaros. That's the #1 problem here.

Bo and Harris looked equally as washed two years ago. That gives me hope. Like any other QB on the planet ZC will go as far as his supporting cast allows. Bo and Harris's "resurgence" is entirely because their respective teams surrounded them with talent and protection.

I don't look at any exhibition game as an indication of anything. They are exhibition games. Preseason games have to be taken with a huge grain of salt because the 2s and 3s are also playing the other teams 2, and 3's. The Montreal game where our two DEs looked good late in the season was also an exhibition game of sorts. Montreal didn't dress half their starters and neither did we. That being said I am hopeful these young guys come in and don't regress like we've seen out of most of our top young guys over the past few years.

It's mot just some DEs looking good in one game... think about the home preseason game... the #1s looked ho-hum but as soon as the 2s went in the performance level went up noticeably.

The league had announced a crackdown on abuse of the system last year - that was under Ambrosie though so who knows how Johnston feels about it or how hard they actually enforced the rules. CFL teams could face salary cap punishments for abuse of marketing money: Randy Ambrosie - 3DownNation

We We finished 4th in our division barely qualifying for the playoffs. There was no one or number of players sitting on our bench that puts lipstick on that pig. I don't buy your man in the middle theory either. It's pure speculation. If Walters and MOS were fighting every day before the GC's maybe they need to get back to that. That worked. Walters rolling over hasn't helped one iota and is a huge flaw. I see a very flawed SMS usage. That's not on Miller or MOS. I see aged out veterans being re-signed to big contracts. THAT'S THE GM. You keep saying we had the talent but we didn't because we used our SMS terribly. Pretty damn sure that neither Miller, or OSH advised Walters to let Kenny walk or let our OL fall to pieces and all the other massive amounts of actual proven talent that we lost, No coach in the world is telling his GM he doesn't want him to re-sign his all star player.

He brought in the pieces to fix the issues. Mos didn't use them. Yes, he could've tried pushing Mos more. But he isn't the big boss either; that is Wade. Walters talked about how every personnel discussion used to be a fight with Mos and how it's changed post Grey Cup wins. It sure seems like the power structure from the top down does not go Wade to Walters, then to Mos. At this point, the ultimate responsibility and failure to maintain the contender we had falls to Miller. We hemorrhaged front office types, coaches, as well as players. That doesn't all fall on Walters. We had the pieces to win 2 more Grey Cups. You can't understand justifying a guy who was stuck in the middle, but still producing in Walters, but you can for Mos, who hasn't executed his job with any level of competence in years. Guys like Vaval, Allen, and Woodbey aren't bare minimums across the league, nor are all the other additions you chose to omit.

Couldn't agree more. At one time Walters was aggressive and creative in acquiring and keeping talent, now he just shrugs his shoulders as they go to other teams. Just this offseason he stated that the Bombers don't renegotiate contracts. Why the hell not? People blame MOS for being overly loyal yet have crickets to say about that very telling GM flaw.

I think if the CFL got the top QBs to pay up to a million bucks, it'd be great for the league. As it is, we can't get the backups to shake loose from the NFL anymore. No fringe NFL QBs come here for a chance to play anymore, especially if they got good NIL money in college. We can't rely on just hitting the lotto, as a league, to fix our QB talent issue. Great QB play, is the easiest way to grow the league as well.

Walters who saw us go from the elite team to pretender wears the bottom line for all of it. He is the boss. Everything that is done in our organization falls on him. If Osh's handling of the roster is costing us, that's on Walters to address. You guys just want to hand the guy whose responsibility it is to have a championship roster a free pass and that's BS. He has not provided a championship calibre roster. If your measure of his success is that a couple DE's played great in an exhibition game, Woodbey, and Allen then it's no wonder he's getting this free pass. Talent lost FAR outweighs talent brought in thus our decline. We can say he was in roster maintenance mode, but again that's not what good GM's do and money is only an object if you do boneheaded things like pay a RB 250k and couple it with an over the hill QB making 600k. Is that on MOS too. As for money to spend, that's entirely and 100% Walters doing or undoing if you will. He controls the SMS and how it's spent. I still can't believe people are still trying to justify the crap job our front office has done over the past three years with last year being an absolute abomination. Vaval, Allen, Woodbey are a bare minimum for any team for an offseason. That being said I think Walters is a top notch GM when he applies himself. I think he got fat and sassy the past few years. I trust he can rebuild, what I don't trust is his recognition of need to do so. He has been far too happy to let talent go over the past several years without bringing equal amounts of talent back. That has to change....like right freaking now. This rule was written specifically for the Toronto Argos when they were spending like drunken sailors for a couple years. That's my theory anyway.

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We're running out of how many more times we can say "It all starts here to getting back on track'.