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just more examples of poor coaching and how coaching has killed us in every cup loss....and this season too.... And maybe that wasnt all on the defense but more on ZC himself....Not like ZC had never seen the Argo's or their schemes....again....a good coach may have made a switch...even if just for a series or 2...to see Worked for ARGOS taking a Cup away from us when Dinwiddies Yanked Vet Looney Tunes for raw rookie the Pest.....pretty savvy coaching decision.....How that turn out again? First means nothing tho really if yhou cant finish it off....and we won a lot of reg season games in spite of the things that ail us....wins just glossed over some things and made it seem we good.... I'd rather finish 2nd...3rd....win 9...10 games a yr and win when it mattered....but to each their own I guess where they consider "success|"

Ok but how do you feel about Jason Boltus?

this....And that Our D came in pretty hot in 2022 and 2023 as well.....best in league...fewest points surrendered....and how that turn out? You cant assume that....But safe to assume a QB who was healthy and could actually hang on to a ball...and handle it properly let alone throw....would likely do better than one who couldn't..

a lot of posters here make it sound like this team has been awful. Last year was the only time we didn't finish 1st and that requires changes. Every other year we were in it with a genuine chance to win it going into the games. At some point we need to acknowledge that the job O'Shea and Walters has done is commendable. Theres a reason both Hamilton and Toronto wanted O'Shea. ALso a reason that we have sold out the stadium more than any other team Yeah O'Shea can have blinders on but its usually about some marginal player being replaced by another marginal player. In the overall scheme it didn't cost us the game being discussed. Yes, after last season we need to make changes and retool certain areas namely the oline and dline. Its okay to criticize but at the same time its ok to acknowledge the strengths.

Because it's an obvious example of the blidners this team has had in certain areas that have held them back and led to the situation they are currently in.

Totally. Why are people acting like Collaros would've magically won the game if his hand wasn't injured. The game was toast. Offense was completely unprepared. Collaros had thrown for what, 3 first downs all game until that point in the 4th? He was absolute dogshit in the Grey Cup with a healthy hand

"Near zero" is still better than "zero".

I suggest that O'Shea is promoting a "tweak" because if he conceded that a major rebuild is needed, that would reflect on his management of the team.

Great that you have a crystal ball on that. Cool.

Why the hell are we arguing about the 2024 cup right now. Toronto's D came in hot and would have diced up whoever played at QB. It doesn't matter.

And as I just told someone, he shows up in the playoffs!

Yup thats a fact completely agree but we were put in that position and sticking with ZC was a mistake based on what happened and that’s a fact no matter how one spins it.

Regardless of who the backup was they were a better option than a qb who can't use his hand.

We should've never been in that position where its dole or wilson in a grey cup lol.

I'm pretty sure we did. Idk if we used the most Canadians, but we had several games of 9 starters. Yep. Should be in a good position to get the extra pick atleast.

They regularly started more Canadians then they needed to. If they aren't in the running I'd be shocked. I suppose that depends on your definition of "tweaking".

If you could land Philpot, a trio of Philpot, Demski and Clercius starting, 2 on the OL and 2 on D would likely make us better.

If we keep the overpay contracts like Collaros, how can we afford to upgrade the team around them?

Yep, Wilson, going into GC threw a grand total of 1 pass in his 18 games in the 2024 regular season. He had next to zero experience doing anything but handing the ball off or running a QB sneak. That's the MOS way though, with rookies.

Am i safe to assume that we didn't qualify this season for one of the bonus draft picks for being amount the top 2 teams in overall Canadian snaps?

only way to find out tho...is give them a chance for a game or 2...lord knows we give craptacular guys seasons worth of chances Shay was regarded as the most pro ready LB in the draft...Smith not far behind.... Yet Ham found success with raw rookie....BC as well withbtheir guys the last few yrs got a lot of play time...and Nat...Import....doesnt matter.....Shay is a national by the wide range in the determination...he's as American as American as can be.. I can see the argument with Canadians coming in from the CIS....Not Canadians who played NCAA and or Prep school before that...they are light yrs ahead of the curve as the CIS guys Regardless...Osh wont or rarely gives Imports reps as the back-up ....and thats a big reason why we roster and play walking wounded as the actual backups get zero play time...so he has no clue what they can do, let alone if they have the mental part down.... true true....that being said...we need to dump some baggage...and be open to our ratio and deviate from how its been for basically...10 yrs now And Osh cant have a hissy fit of Walters says Thomas..Kramdi..Kolo...Wilson...and others aren't being sked back...and guys like T.Jones are not the default starter

If we go shopping in FA, and draft well, we can be right back in the mix next year.

From what I remember from the post earlier, all 3 are pending FAs. Nichols is certainly the one I want to keep the most, but I also think he is the one who will want to win the most and be valued the most around the league. Yeah, it'd be a great luxury to get him here. I actually think as a WR the value on his deal could be pretty good.

I think he on record saying he allots so much for each position group...so fairly rigid...and maybe time to deviate...same with ratio

Or Shay/Smith would have been exposed and we do worse. Hard to say. Lot of it predicates on the belief that 2 rookie NAT LBers were ready to start. This is completely unknown at this time and therefore not a statement of fact but of opinion. Yep,,,I agree. Most here will say Elgersma the rookie, if he signs, and champion him to start all season despite rookie QBs rarely having success. We will ruin Elgersma if we rush him.