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And to completely speculate maybe Mitchell isn't behaving to the expectations of the OC and his crew but they hope he does sooner than later.

Well it's also a case of a hold over from the year before, so not really new new....

No this week the coach is playing the wrong new guy. Maybe the disconnect is with the OC and offensive coaching staff. Mitchell was signed before they were.

Top end for a DB is $140-150k, anything above is a huge waste of limited SMS.

All of them. Crazy to suggest that MOS should be fired. Absolutely nuts. I can't even believe that people on this forum are suggesting MOS should be fired. Can he improve some flaws...absolutely but this guys has coached us to 5 straight Grey Cups. I can't believe the entitlement some fans around here are showing. Good gravy. I'm not suggesting MOS is the perfect coach, but the smear campaign against him is baffling. Our team hasn't been this competitive and strong since the 80's, FIred? Really?

that doesn't mean Walters was being lazy though. They could have had money in place for other players...maybe some worked out by upping their offer...or maybe some didn't and they weren't able to sign some players. And when those priorities settled, they had enough money to make an offer to Ford that he would accept. "Hey we're not going to be able to get to Fords #'s unless priorities A-B and C don't happen." Turns out A-B and C don't happen, and they make an offer to Ford. Which turns out to be too late. This or any number of other scenarios could have happened. So there was a plan...priorities shifted and they could move forward with offering a field side corner way more than he should be making. This idea there was "no plan" is idiotic.

If Schoen’s knee never fully heals, that’ll be one of the greatest questions of all time, what would have his production been if he played a fully healthy career.

I used acceptable because Ford said he would have taken the offer had it come earlier. He said they knew what he wanted but didn't get there until the very end so yeah it seems they eventually were willing to meet his asking price (according to Ford anyway). I do agree with the HC/GM disconnect though. I can't imagine our scouting team is very happy about busting their asses for nothing either.

So you said acceptable offer... that to me doesn't necessarily mean asking price, it means a starting point in his opinion. Cause I remember listening to Walters year end presser last year and he basically went through a bunch of guys (including Ford) that he said we're going to be getting paid and he was doubtful they'd be able to bring them back. What we have going on here now is a disconnect between coach and GM. We got a gm willing to move on from players and a coach resistant to playing new guys. Something will give eventually

there apparently was no plan....looks like a wait it out and our guys will come back....and we will run it back again with the same ol same ol...and when some of the same ol same ol moved on for whatever reason....we were just scrap heaping at that point....the only significant guy we signed is languishing on the 1 game IR so nobody steals him off our PR...Or he just flat out say fack right off of we tried to PR him...., and Logan who has been hurt Pretty apparent we didnt make a legit offer to any free agent who could have helped us....status quo we go again cause when you look 4..5 yrs back...we had success

I don't think it was a case of Walters moving on since he got to their asking price eventually. He was willing to pay - just dragged his feet on it. Yeah we've heard it before but usually he came with a lowball offer (like Jeffcoat) but this is the first time I've seen it publicly that he was willing to give a player what they wanted but just waited to long. Really strange off-season, imo. Letting guys walk then over-paying for PR players (Mitchell) & giving out unwarranted extensions (ZC). I don't get what the plan was.

HO HUM slacking attitude that things will just work out and guys will sign.....thats not an isolated incident either

So what that is, is Walters heard the ask from their camp and moved on. Simple as that. If walters decides a guy is going to get too much money he seems to just go on to the next. Players of course get all butthurt because they figure everyone should be kissing their feet.

I think part of the problem is Walter's approach to things. We've heard from multiple players that they heard nothing or next to nothing from Walters when it came to a new deal. Recently, Tyrell Ford said that their negotiations were pretty slow and Walters didn't come with an acceptable offer until it was too late. FTR, I'm fine with Ford moving on but it makes me wonder how many other players we may have lost in a similar fashion?

Yeah I don't like thinking about it...I don't get the Mitchell situation.

The west is really confusing this year. Each team has looked good and bad. Though to be fair to cgy, their bad game came with absolute crap weather. Buuut that doesn't bode well for later in the year either.

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Thank christ as likely 5-8 of them be forced ones resulting in picks I bet we see a lot of forced stuff this weekend...especially if our group is Sterns....Case...Hobbling Demski...Clercius and Wheatfall....thats a sad ack group really....kinda sad to loook at

As the in-house sarcasm expert that I am, I'm thinking you missed one here. 🙂

He got a chance last year and in both pre seasons. Hasn’t done any thing as a wr or kr. But luckily you don’t have to produce to keep a spot here. honestly to soon to tell. We don’t know who is really good until teams face real adversity in season. half the league has been decimated by qb injuries so far this year. But luckily most don’t seem like long term injuries.

the stubbornness tho has resulted in 3 straight avoidable losses...that cant be ignored and the fact he STILL refuses to alter hios ways cant be either....thats my gripe I agree he has more good qualities than bad....but the bad ones are fatal ones....and that has to change. That being said he is not the be all end all and if we were to move on...or he was to choose to move on...we'd be just fine....and could be even better too...who knows....But I doubt we would find another guy who refuses to use the rules allowed cause he doesn't like them....or refuse to play his best players too.... We have a good team....yeah...not great...and looks to be one of the weaker ones in the last 5 yrs tho, as other teams have clearly got better....so right now until I see a few more games and maybe a bit of a shift in what we do....I not super convinced we will be challenging for anything yet

To keep this theme going, the only reason our team has enjoyed great success over the last 5 years is REFS!

Now list how many hcs lost 3 gcs in a row and kept their job.

Apparently for a few around here this ongoing concern about our DL is just a bunch of Jake hate. Bonus observation: Any concern about our roster management is just a guise to slag MOS. Go Bombers. 🙂

Great...he has flaws...ALL coaches do. All coaches tend to be stubborn as well especially when their stubborness results in 5 straight Grey Cup appearances. If you are arguing that MOS has flaws you have no argument, if you are arguing he is not a very good HC then the facts and lists you speak of are completely applicable because they demonstrate elite success levels. Suggesting lists and facts as "cherry picking" is like you pointing to roster management on a daily basis as somehow negating all the excellent work he does as a HC to make this team a top contender year in and year out. That, too, is cherry picking your argument. Their is a heck of a lot more positive then negative to discuss, but we don't hear it much around here. We have another team this year that looks like it will challenge for a Grey Cup. Anyone thinking that should be automatic and without adversity is dreaming in technicolor. We will have highs and lows all season long that hopefully will culminate in another Grey Cup. This team steamrolled through it's first 3 games, got humbled in one. This is not some kind of disaster. We are still a top tier team capable of winning it all.