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We definitely upgraded a couple positions...but looking at what we kept..and PR'd..our depth i bet gonna be even worse than last yr..and heavily relying on old guard to stay healthy. And I didnt think it was possible but our receiving group..especially if we stupidly go 3 Canadian will be worse than last yr...especially if white or Pokey go down...plus I have zero faith Demski will go unknicked..

I will say this though... going from Jake to Jake at DT is going to make a tremendous difference in the effectiveness of the defense as a whole. Let's just hope the old guys aren't cooked by the time playoffs roll around

And passed on the kid in bc who schooled us What did Daniel's do..really to make the team other than being a pick we traded up to get? Didnt catch a ball..the couple routes he went out on he looked awkward and lost...his pass protection was awful...and this shitkicking blocking Walters yammerned on about..I didnt see it in the 2 games or 4 practices I went to For that matter what did Kyrie and Jones do to earn the spot other than be vet holdovers? Yet here they are gonna be starting...Smith..Woodbey..Ayers and Griffin tho showed they are worthy and should take the main reps...Shay as well and really Clinton out played them all and "hustled" "tried" hard too...its Corcoran's traits Osh raves about and gets him playtime..why doesn't it work for a player possibly pushing a vet out? Dumping a Jones or Wilson ...or DA'n one wouldn't hurt us in the least...but..osh be oshin just like I be Boochin...some u all think just cause he the HC he is never wrong and not flawed. Yes. See my previous comment

Look it's not even necessarily the numbers at lb.... I honestly question if we're playing the best guys as starters.

That’s correct. We passed on Lamar Durant to take Richards.

As we prob dress 4 dl and have Ayers listed as a DE..and Mills grinds us into Salisbury steak by 4th quarter

We all have opinions...yours tho are out to sea in a big way...I bet come game 1 we will have a handicapped depth chart...and you can think what u want...and guys will have input but end of day its a HC final say. And hall has tons of experience and sway and yeah osh didnt have plums...or acumen to disrespect or over rule Hall..big difference.

That's not what happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_CFL_draft We didn't get scooped one spot before. We could have taken Demski #2 overall but we took Sukh Chungh instead. And then when we picked again at #11 Demski was long gone, five picks previous. Taman did get Demski, but we weren't really scooped, we scooped ourselves by taking Chungh. And then we took Richards at #11, who played, according to CFL.CA, in 17 career games for the Bombers, without recording one catch, and with zero targets. I would guess that means that he never actually saw the field once.

Remember who we took at #11? The hair!! The hair!!! Addison Richards hair and Jade Etienne's mom were the only things we had to talk about in those days....

The bottom line for me is that Walters and O'Shea have broken faith with us fans and even though we do not know what went on behind closed doors, it seems we no longer trust them implicitly. I am willing to be proven wrong, but apart from Elgersma, we seem to be pretty much in the same situation as we were in the past 2-3 years. There is plenty of blame to spread around.

lol. Osh be oshin and booch be boochin. Honestly like you’re wrong lots dude. It’s ok to accept it. But it’s O’Shea right, younger and Condell have no input. Yup it’s all O’Shea eventho he’s made it very clear they all decide together. You all complain about 45 linebackers cuz Osh be Oshin but when hall was DC 45 linebackers weren’t dressed. Does it ever occur to you that maybe just maybe younger is the guy pushing for who he wants and he gets who he wants. We all sit here and complain about the last 2 or 3 Canadians on the roster but across the league it’s similar so it’s pretty irrelevant but to pretend it’s Osh oshin when he’s made it clear Condell and younger have major say is just fake news.

huge get that dl is gonna be good again for them

Easy to be "wrong" on an Osh controlled team...he will bypass talent for other odd reasons..and thats fact Case in point..Clinton out performed all import lbs in various areas..and is untapped potential..and we went total status quo...on a failing team of last few yrs..explain As for Bailey.. he on roster even as last guy will offer a lot more than whatever Canadian osh will put on...and thats a fact too...but not shocking in the least

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Yeah don't worry, I think that's a dumb plan too

MOS+KW have been together since 2014 and remind me when Danny Mac joined. Nothing lasts forever.

Special teams is still every 6th play in this league. You can't be ignorant enough to just look at a roster and go "hurr durr, so many linebackers." Half of those guys are special teamers. Put fullback beside 3 of their names if it makes you feel better. Having a guy with DL by his name on the roster who stands on the sideline and holds his helmet all game there just in case doesn't help us win anything. We have Gatkuoth to rotate in on the edge. I think it's fair to assume Younger has a plan to use Woodbey at 3 levels of the D. Our D is actually stacked. If people want to worry, worry about receiver and running back. Peterson looked like a stunned junior player in camp in the pre-season games. We're relying a lot on a bunch of Canadians who haven't been consistent or healthy across their careers (Nield, Cobb, Clercius).

He’s a guy we traded up to draft second over all. Hes a guy that was going to be signed as an imp before qualifying as a G. Lots of us were bullish on him, because even as he showed in pre season game 1, he’s got great strength and quickness. He and player where two of the best of a bad bunch, but didn’t get much pt despite brutal play in front of them. Meanwhile counting as a global on the thinnest dl in the league last year makes it pretty clear what would’ve been best. No one said he was guaranteed all star or great league starter. He was better than guys ahead of him but didn’t play. Now he’s gone, and we’ve still got korny and paper thin depth at dl. The young guy group at de are better then we’ve seen in a good while. but none of them are guaranteed to succeed. We have enough guys that 1 should flourish. But we haven’t exactly done a good job of front usage. Other teams go through our dl cuts, which people brush off because no one is an instant all star. But are other teams sifting through our db/wr/rb cuts? even ol doesn’t get looks. Lbers and dl cuts here get second looks in the league. Which means teams look at our usage of talent and say, “we can do more with those guys”

that’s true but I don’t see teams struggling to find good dbs, and our system has a lot to do with it.

Do we really though? To me this is a continuation of the problems this defense has had. Neglecting depth on the DL and dressing more linebackers than we really need.

we’ve seen more then 100% turn over in scouts from 19/21 to now. even with different scouts we see the same problems. For one, it’s extremely rare that you find a top contributor from scouting at a position of need. Generally, teams excel at developing/scouting/using a couple positions and the majority of their young talent develops at positions of strength. For two, outside of extreme outlier players/positions it’s usually the 2nd year players who take massive steps. This is where roster management kills us. You could have the right guys, but not use them/keep them and each year repeat the same struggles even despite talent brought in. So who’s at fault? well the staffs have mostly rolled over. Mos, walter, and mac are the remaining common pieces. Mos’ weakness exacerbates walter’s issues. mos is 100% at fault, and walters is also 100% at fault. no splitting it. That said, it is walter’s job to mitigate and prevent compound issues like that. I will say that I feel like we’ve seen a bit of growth this year getting away from some of the issues. how much and if it’s enough, will depend on how the rosters look in the first month. I will add that the camp talent level the two years is trending in the wrong direction. And I think danny mac’s’ position is too cushy for how high he is in the org. I think we had a lot of answers at the positions of need this camp. But I think our roster direction is Atypical and risky. 3 ni wrs, 3 imp ol, defensive front etc. The only direction if this doesn’t go well is whole sale change at high level positions. We’ve put together a very strong potential roster. If our old guys stay healthy and if we play the proper young guys.

I dont like but can understand the Bailey cut. Gatkuoth and Bailey were vying for the same role and we really need Gatkuoth's passport on that unit. In a ratio world tough choices need to be made sometimes.

Yeah. We find some good DBs and pretty much bugger all else.

I'm starting to think our scouts are garbage

The biggest problem I see is not the money or how things are divvied up- it is how little and how poorly TSN promotes the CFL compared to hoe they treat the MLB, NBA and even the PWHL. The way the Argos and Stamps promote their teams also could stand a LOT of improvement.