I was actually going to call in to the coaches show last night to ask this question, but life.

 

Hajrullahu is 4 for 7 on converts this year, clipping along at a rate that is nearly unacceptable. I don't know how much they want to tinker with things, seen as how he's perfect on field goals, but at what point does O'Shea make the call to start going for the two point convert on a regular basis?

 

Here's how the touchdowns we've scored breakdown this year.

 

Week 1 - 1st Q - Winnipeg 7 Saskatchewan 0 (convert good)

Week 1 - 2nd Q - Winnipeg 14 Saskatchewan 7 (convert good)

Week 1 - 3rd Q - Winnipeg 23 Saskatchewan 23 (2 point convert good)

Week 1 - 4th Q - Winnipeg 30 Saskatchewan 26 (convert good)

 

Week 2 - 1st Q - Winnipeg 7 Hamilton 3 (convert NO good)

Week 2 - 2nd Q - Hamilton 38 Winnipeg 13 (convert NO good)

Week 2 - 4th Q - Hamilton 49 Winnipeg 26 (2 point convert good)

 

Week 3 - 2nd Q - Winnipeg 12 Montreal 3 (convert NO good)

Week 3 - 2nd Q - Winnipeg 19 Montreal 10 (convert good)

 

I understand why in some cases (all 3 converts in the SSK game) you would go for the single point. But Lirim is 1 for 4 since then and in nearly every situation, you could've argued it was reasonable to go for the 2 point convert.

 

Let's say we average 3 touchdowns a game (our current average) over the span of the year going forward. Even if we generously boost Lirim's conversion percentage from his current 57% to a fairly level 75% going forward, that would give him a total of 34/45 on single point converts going forward for the rest of the year. If that is the case, all we would need to do is see a 40% conversion rate of the 2 point convert (18/45) for us to actually end up coming out ahead.

 

Obviously this ignores the situational nature of some of those converts and I wouldn't expect O'Shea to not manage the game properly, but with the combination of Cam Marshall and Robert Marve looking so smooth in the 2 point conversion set they've been working, how bad does Lirim have to get before O'Shea elects to go for the 2 on a more regular basis? If he made the commitment to go for 2 every time EXCEPT for when it absolutely made sense to go for 1 (to give a 4 point lead late in a game, etc) I don't think I would be opposed to it ...

I'm all for the 2 point try, but with Willy and not Marve making the plays. At least offers the illusion that we might throw the ball.

I'm all for the 2 point try, but with Willy and not Marve making the plays. At least offers the illusion that we might throw the ball.

 

On the contrary that eliminates the QB sprint to the corner.  You can't lump Marve in with Goltz that easily.

 

another option - take a knee!

No one asked you Tim Burke. 

 

 

What are you, blind as a ref? Clearly that was Corey Chamblin. 

another option - take a knee!

No one asked you Tim Burke.

 

What are you, blind as a ref? Clearly that was Corey Chamblin.

Chamblin was channeling Tim Burke.

I'm all for the 2 point try, but with Willy and not Marve making the plays. At least offers the illusion that we might throw the ball.

 

I disagree... I think the pass is very much in play with Marve... having Willy makes it 2-dimensional: pass or hand-off... Marve makes it 3-dimensional: hand-off, QB run or pass 

I'm all for the 2 point try, but with Willy and not Marve making the plays. At least offers the illusion that we might throw the ball.

 

I disagree... I think the pass is very much in play with Marve... having Willy makes it 2-dimensional: pass or hand-off... Marve makes it 3-dimensional: hand-off, QB run or pass

In theory, sure. But in actuality when Marve has come in the overwhelmingly dominant play is QB cut left or right and try to dive between the guard and the tackle. After that has failed 2 or 3 times it has been hand-off to Marshall. Pass is never his first option (which kind of defeats the purpose of calling him a QB). Even his one attempted pass this year in that scenario was out of a run play on a sprint to the corner goal line which got shut off, and the pass itself?.......Yikes!

Far too predictable at this point, and has been that way since the start of last season. Not sure if it a play-calling issue (they don't like the pass game down close) or a personnel issue (either the team or Marve doesn't like/trust his passing ability in that situation, or he and they know he'll abandon his progressions and just look to run at first instance), but Marve has consistently shown he is more comfortable with his feet than with his arm at QB in any situation, much less short yardage, where there have been no surprises as to what play is coming. And other teams appear to be catching on this year.

 

I'm all for the 2 point try, but with Willy and not Marve making the plays. At least offers the illusion that we might throw the ball.

 

On the contrary that eliminates the QB sprint to the corner.  You can't lump Marve in with Goltz that easily.

 

 

For all of Goltz's faults... he was actually pretty money in the redzone (just couldn't actually get the ball into the redzone)

 

 

I'm all for the 2 point try, but with Willy and not Marve making the plays. At least offers the illusion that we might throw the ball.

 

I disagree... I think the pass is very much in play with Marve... having Willy makes it 2-dimensional: pass or hand-off... Marve makes it 3-dimensional: hand-off, QB run or pass

 

In theory, sure. But in actuality when Marve has come in the overwhelmingly dominant play is QB cut left or right and try to dive between the guard and the tackle. After that has failed 2 or 3 times it has been hand-off to Marshall. Pass is never his first option (which kind of defeats the purpose of calling him a QB). Even his one attempted pass this year in that scenario was out of a run play on a sprint to the corner goal line which got shut off, and the pass itself?.......Yikes!

Far too predictable at this point, and has been that way since the start of last season. Not sure if it a play-calling issue (they don't like the pass game down close) or a personnel issue (either the team or Marve doesn't like/trust his passing ability in that situation, or he and they know he'll abandon his progressions and just look to run at first instance), but Marve has consistently shown he is more comfortable with his feet than with his arm at QB in any situation, much less short yardage, where there have been no surprises as to what play is coming. And other teams appear to be catching on this year.

 

 

I agree that pass isn't the first (or best) option with Marve... but teams have to respect that he can throw... at the very least it should create more options for the D to consider...

 

 

 

I'm all for the 2 point try, but with Willy and not Marve making the plays. At least offers the illusion that we might throw the ball.

 

I disagree... I think the pass is very much in play with Marve... having Willy makes it 2-dimensional: pass or hand-off... Marve makes it 3-dimensional: hand-off, QB run or pass

 

In theory, sure. But in actuality when Marve has come in the overwhelmingly dominant play is QB cut left or right and try to dive between the guard and the tackle. After that has failed 2 or 3 times it has been hand-off to Marshall. Pass is never his first option (which kind of defeats the purpose of calling him a QB). Even his one attempted pass this year in that scenario was out of a run play on a sprint to the corner goal line which got shut off, and the pass itself?.......Yikes!

Far too predictable at this point, and has been that way since the start of last season. Not sure if it a play-calling issue (they don't like the pass game down close) or a personnel issue (either the team or Marve doesn't like/trust his passing ability in that situation, or he and they know he'll abandon his progressions and just look to run at first instance), but Marve has consistently shown he is more comfortable with his feet than with his arm at QB in any situation, much less short yardage, where there have been no surprises as to what play is coming. And other teams appear to be catching on this year.

 

 

I agree that pass isn't the first (or best) option with Marve... but teams have to respect that he can throw... at the very least it should create more options for the D to consider...

 

 

Not until he starts doing it, they don't.

 

 

I'm all for the 2 point try, but with Willy and not Marve making the plays. At least offers the illusion that we might throw the ball.

 

On the contrary that eliminates the QB sprint to the corner.  You can't lump Marve in with Goltz that easily.

 

 

For all of Goltz's faults... he was actually pretty money in the redzone (just couldn't actually get the ball into the redzone)

 

 

yeah red zone TD's and standing around in the background in commercials seems to be his thing.

 

 

 

 

I'm all for the 2 point try, but with Willy and not Marve making the plays. At least offers the illusion that we might throw the ball.

 

I disagree... I think the pass is very much in play with Marve... having Willy makes it 2-dimensional: pass or hand-off... Marve makes it 3-dimensional: hand-off, QB run or pass

 

In theory, sure. But in actuality when Marve has come in the overwhelmingly dominant play is QB cut left or right and try to dive between the guard and the tackle. After that has failed 2 or 3 times it has been hand-off to Marshall. Pass is never his first option (which kind of defeats the purpose of calling him a QB). Even his one attempted pass this year in that scenario was out of a run play on a sprint to the corner goal line which got shut off, and the pass itself?.......Yikes!

Far too predictable at this point, and has been that way since the start of last season. Not sure if it a play-calling issue (they don't like the pass game down close) or a personnel issue (either the team or Marve doesn't like/trust his passing ability in that situation, or he and they know he'll abandon his progressions and just look to run at first instance), but Marve has consistently shown he is more comfortable with his feet than with his arm at QB in any situation, much less short yardage, where there have been no surprises as to what play is coming. And other teams appear to be catching on this year.

 

 

I agree that pass isn't the first (or best) option with Marve... but teams have to respect that he can throw... at the very least it should create more options for the D to consider...

 

 

Not until he starts doing it, they don't.

 

 

True... I guess part of my assumption is that he will throw if the play breaks down... I'm not sure if the coaching staff is going to call the passing play though... 

If they run that triple option with Marve, Marshall and Cotton they'll get in at 75% of the time.  That play is indefensible from the 3 yard line, only killed if the QB makes a bad read.

I'm all for the 2 point try, but with Willy and not Marve making the plays. At least offers the illusion that we might throw the ball.

 

On the contrary that eliminates the QB sprint to the corner.  You can't lump Marve in with Goltz that easily.

 

For all of Goltz's faults... he was actually pretty money in the redzone (just couldn't actually get the ball into the redzone)

Ummm....isn't that an oxymoron, like military intelligence or feminine logic?

 

 

 

I'm all for the 2 point try, but with Willy and not Marve making the plays. At least offers the illusion that we might throw the ball.

 

On the contrary that eliminates the QB sprint to the corner.  You can't lump Marve in with Goltz that easily.

 

 

For all of Goltz's faults... he was actually pretty money in the redzone (just couldn't actually get the ball into the redzone)

 

Ummm....isn't that an oxymoron, like military intelligence or feminine logic?

 

I think he meant that, when they were in the red zone, he could run it in for a TD, but he couldn't throw a TD pass to save his life.

 

 

 

I'm all for the 2 point try, but with Willy and not Marve making the plays. At least offers the illusion that we might throw the ball.

 

On the contrary that eliminates the QB sprint to the corner.  You can't lump Marve in with Goltz that easily.

 

 

For all of Goltz's faults... he was actually pretty money in the redzone (just couldn't actually get the ball into the redzone)

 

Ummm....isn't that an oxymoron, like military intelligence or feminine logic?

 

OH, you're goin' to hell for that one!

 

I prefer "pretty ugly" or "Rider pride".

I'm all for the 2 point try, but with Willy and not Marve making the plays. At least offers the illusion that we might throw the ball.

 

On the contrary that eliminates the QB sprint to the corner.  You can't lump Marve in with Goltz that easily.

 

For all of Goltz's faults... he was actually pretty money in the redzone (just couldn't actually get the ball into the redzone)

Ummm....isn't that an oxymoron, like military intelligence or feminine logic?

I think he meant that, when they were in the red zone, he could run it in for a TD, but he couldn't throw a TD pass to save his life.

How dare you drag common sense into this forum.

I'm all for the 2 point try, but with Willy and not Marve making the plays. At least offers the illusion that we might throw the ball.

On the contrary that eliminates the QB sprint to the corner. You can't lump Marve in with Goltz that easily.

For all of Goltz's faults... he was actually pretty money in the redzone (just couldn't actually get the ball into the redzone)

Ummm....isn't that an oxymoron, like military intelligence or feminine logic?

OH, you're goin' to hell for that one!

I prefer "pretty ugly" or "Rider pride".

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