Floyd Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 The east is totally up in the air... Toronto is in the best position but still a ton of new guys. I really think we will be fighting for a crossover or in a slug race with Ham and Montreal. Note: Oh yeah, Taylor Inglis... I was trying to remember the Kelly OL that was supposed to be our next LS/C, whatever... I now feel a lot better about our depth - forget my concerns that our NI depth was 'suspect'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 so as a GM, Obie in Hamilton sucked almost as bad or worse, yet you didn't see sports-writers like ****** Madani or slapnut Zurkowsky bashing Obie on Twitter etc. I just don't get the excuse that Mack is hated purely for his record, or that he's somehow been some bad guy to the media. It just doesn't add up. Obie was well liked & on the whole got along with the media wherever he coached or managed. Mack unlike Obie doesn't cultivate friendships in the media so he's his own worst enemy. He barely talks to them. I still think the disappearing act he did after the LD Sunday loss in Regina last year permanently damaged his relationship with media & the fans. He looked like he was hiding out running scared. Didn't help when the Bombers issued a press release saying Mack would be unavailable until the following Thursday. The optics of the situation looked terrible. It was Mack's choice not to talk & therefore he made his own bed. If he had done damage control after that game things with everyone then things might have been different than they are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKAChip Posted June 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 Quibbles. Everything you said about Austin's CFL cred can be said about Milanovich but I doubt anyone would say that too. It was Creehan that did most of the alienating here not Cortez. Creehan lost the defense in training camp and never got it back. As a result it infected the whole team. More than one player has commented how it has been like night and day compared to last year. Gable will be starting. Not as fast as Walker but a better pass catcher and blocker. Burris ' steady decline ? His only real bad year was 2011 bookended by great years. If you can demonstrate how he's so much less mobile I'd be interested in seeing it. (as opposed to just saying it) IMO you're underrating Bulcke who will be starting. Overstating Williams only to knock him down ? Austin said he would probably be a rotational guy. Who are the "people" that are picking HAM to challenge for first ? All I've seen is third or last, not that it matters. Not a bad summation, a few straw-man arguments though. I would like to counter a few of your arguments but I do think that you should understand that the purpose of this thread is to point out the flaws in the other teams and while keeping things fair, I'm not out to necessarily compliment the other teams in the league. I do appreciate your input however. The comparison between Austin and Milanovich is fair to a point but there are pretty significant differences. Milanovich won the Cup last year and although there are a lot of changes on the Argos, the offence is mostly in tact and being the defending champs gives him the benefit of the doubt. Austin won the Cup in '07 which is essentially ages ago. It was a different time and a different team. He will have his work cut out for him but as I said, I expect him to be a good coach for the Ti-Cats. He just may not be the saviour he is expected to be by some. Another important different is that Milanovich had and has Chris Jones as his experienced DC. Steinauer may well be a great DC someday but as of now, there really is no contest between them. If Gable is in fact the starter, I apologize for the misinformation. I fully admit I know very little about him so I can't write him off one way or the other. I mean, any CFL rookie is going to be a question mark but like Simpson and Kory Sheets were last year, he could easily surprise us. Import RB is probably the easiest position to play in the CFL to be completely honest and there's no reason for me to believe he can't be good. We just don't know. I fully admit that most of my arguments and predictions are based on my own observations as well as some stats and some observations of others from other fan forums. I can't say for certain that Burris has lost a step but let's be honest with each other, a 38 year old QB is not going to be as mobile as his 30 or 35 year old self. History has shown that the mobile QBs have a shelf life shorter than the pocket QBs for obvious reasons. I can't take anything away from what Burris accomplished last year and if he repeats it this year good for him. I just think that not only will his time come sooner or later, but he also lost his top weapon from last year, a very good blocking and receiving tailback and a HC that clearly was on the same page as he was. Burris has been a very good QB in the league for a long time, but he's no Calvillo. Lasting as long as Calvillo has and staying as successful is most certainly not the norm. Just because Bulcke is starting doesn't mean he is any good. I realize that he was a somewhat highly touted prospect coming out of Stanford but as of this very moment, he hasn't done jack in the league. Maybe there wasn't a spot for him in the Calgary D-line and that's why he couldn't crack the lineup regularly and was then allowed to walk but I apologize if he doesn't impress me much. As far as Williams goes, I may have even been kind to him in my writeup. As of this point in his career, he's been given ample opportunity to play and has frankly been garbage. Some of that blame goes to the Saskatchewan coaching staff for playing him out of position but he has given absolutely no indication that he can be a good player in the CFL at any point in his career up until now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 2007 is ages ago? No, it's not. Please tell me how the game has changed in 6 years as far as offensive & defensive systems go? What new innovations have taken place in that time that makes the CFL different now? We ran zone read in 2007 & we run it now. As far as I know defenses are similar if not the same. Not arguing as you have spent a lot of time on your team reviews here & your takes are pretty good. I just take exception to your comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueandgold Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 You can't win without a decent QB, as much as it pains me to say this, I feel like dumping Buck and going back to Glenn for a year while Goltz and Hall develop might've been a better idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iso_55 Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 You can't win without a decent QB, as much as it pains me to say this, I feel like dumping Buck and going back to Glenn for a year while Goltz and Hall develop might've been a better idea. Having a great qb to help you win will never change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 The comparison I drew between Austin and Milanovich was two rookie HC's who won Cups with, as you described, "favourable" conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 You can't win without a decent QB, as much as it pains me to say this, I feel like dumping Buck and going back to Glenn for a year while Goltz and Hall develop might've been a better idea. that ship hasn't just left port... its mast is over the horizon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR. CFL Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 Having a former QB as an OC or HC provides the experience of having been "eyes on" under fire. They have seen what a QB has seen. Others see what the video shows them. Easy to watch video and say you should have seen the open receiver when you have no clue what the QB actually saw from his vantage point under pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR. CFL Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 The Hamilton analysis is all fine except I might suggest you compare coaching staffs and see how they stack up, both in terms of CFL coaching and playing experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 Having a former QB as an OC or HC provides the experience of having been "eyes on" under fire. They have seen what a QB has seen. Others see what the video shows them. Easy to watch video and say you should have seen the open receiver when you have no clue what the QB actually saw from his vantage point under pressure. Good point, Buck Pierce has said as much about Crowton before. Crowton brings a wealth of experience and his familiarity with the quarterback position is an obvious bonus. “He’s worked closely with quarterbacks and this is the first time for me that I’ve had a coach who was a quarterback,” said Pierce. “He understands what you can and what’s realistic to ask a guy to do and what’s out of the realm for a guy to do. He speaks our language and knows what it takes for us to be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlue Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 Good point, Buck Pierce has said as much about Crowton before. I see what you did there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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