Permission to talk: Is O'Shea leaving?

[GCn20]

5 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Our OL, DL, WRs need serious work. That seems like we're leaning into full rebuild.

If we get a new GM/HC their philosophy likely changes and we will see a ton more departure than just those three areas. Player here in the secondary/QB/RB, on STs, in depth are all here because they fit the mold of what we were looking for. I would not be surprised at all to see a new GM come in and immediately change our pay structure at many positions....RB for example. If we get a pass happy coach especially a player like BO may be deemed a luxury but not a must have....and honestly I'm ok with that.

Edited 4 hours ago by GCn20

[Goalie]

Yup. Oline can’t be fixed over night. DL could be. Potentially if you have the starting Canadians elsewhere. 
 

 

[GCn20]

9 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Yup. Oline can’t be fixed over night. DL could be. Potentially if you have the starting Canadians elsewhere. 
 

 

It all depends how willing we are to free up cash elsewhere. We saw the Riders OL go from hot garbage to pretty good in an offseason. No reason we can't do the same. What we will need to do is cut some dead weight salary though. Jefferson/BO buys some nice beef along our lines. I don't give a crap that BO has been our supposed heart and soul. He is a RB and RBs are expendable if a team needs to free up cash. I will add the caveat though, one that has escaped KW over the past few years, that if you are cutting ties with an all star NAT it better be to bring another one in. 

Edited 3 hours ago by GCn20

[Goalie]

I’d keep Brady cuz basically you’re sending the wrong message to 32000 people if you let Brady and Demski walk after you let Kenny walk the season prior and in this scenario, O’Shea walking this year. I mean I dunno, I think the local guys are worth it. Our Canadian talent needs to be improved. You ain’t doing that letting your 2 best walk. 32000 might become 25 26 pretty quickly. 

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[sportmentary2012]

2 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Yes..but only because if he leaves we will be massively rebuilding

Agreed Plus Collaros is at the end of the road with no heir apparent.

[GCn20]

Just now, sportmentary2012 said:

Agreed Plus Collaros is at the end of the road with no heir apparent.

Seems to be for sure. I don't think we replace Collaros this year because there doesn't seem to be many options and he has a large portion of his salary guaranteed. However, I think our QB room behind him is getting a massive shake up. I don't see Streveler or Wilson back.

[sportmentary2012]

15 hours ago, Wanna-B-Fanboy said:

 

 

Its like people here have forgotten what it was like pre 2017... 

If Osh leaves, 90 percent of the posters in this thread are going to be all Man, why the **** did we let Osh go.

Why would we not at least give him a chance to correct his mistakes- dude had one bad year... like holy **** guys... get a grip FFS...

He actually had 2 really bad years😀 but he has helped turn the club around and it will be difficult to move on from him, however the club might not have that choice and everyone is replaceable. I also think he has become more arrogant and less open to changing his ways because of his success. Anyway you slice it I think we fans are in for some lean years. 

[wbbfan]

20 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Our OL, DL, WRs need serious work. That seems like we're leaning into full rebuild.

DL and WR, you can rebuild quickly with money. OL is as much alchemy as anything. You need the right guys in the right positions, and you need to give them time. 

[17to85]

I think the OL isn't as far gone as some think.

Better scheme and better centre I think go a long long way to making them a respectable group. 

[GCn20]

19 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

DL and WR, you can rebuild quickly with money. OL is as much alchemy as anything. You need the right guys in the right positions, and you need to give them time. 

Yep, that being said we need to add two stud NATs imo.

[rebusrankin]

How many stud NAT hit free agency? Ditto Stud OL?

[GCn20]

6 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

How many stud NAT hit free agency? Ditto Stud OL?

Not sure. There are some every year though. Last year alone we lost two in FA.

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[wbbfan]

4 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

How many stud NAT hit free agency? Ditto Stud OL?

Our need exceeds the availability. Imo, 1 stud imp or other wise. The best Ol you can get, FA or trade. 

28 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

I think the OL isn't as far gone as some think.

Better scheme and better centre I think go a long long way to making them a respectable group. 

Scheming and removing kola would help. That with an optimal ol line up would certainly make us respectable.

But the journey to being a team that dominates in the trenches, is long. 

[GCn20]

Just now, wbbfan said:

Our need exceeds the availability. Imo, 1 stud imp or other wise. The best Ol you can get, FA or trade. 

Scheming and removing kola would help. That with an optimal ol line up would certainly make us respectable.

But the journey to being a team that dominates in the trenches, is long. 

Yes we could use a guy like Drew Desjarlais back. Maybe Manu frees up....lol.

[Tracker]

15 hours ago, Mark H. said:

And yet...others are interested in his services.  

Because they think he is better than what they have- in the cases of Ottawa and Toronto, that is nothing. If Dinwiddies is as astute as he seems, he will interview O'Shea but go elsewhere.

[wbbfan]

25 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Yes we could use a guy like Drew Desjarlais back. Maybe Manu frees up....lol.

Would love Drew back. 

Manu is struggling with rehab with the Lions. He tweaked his knee and was supposed to be out 4 weeks, which wasn't supposed to be season-threatening. But he's missed 4 games plus a bye week, and it sounds like he isn't close to ready to practice or even have an updated timeline to return. 

Hard to know what to make of his injury/return. It is the kind of thing that can expedite a guy's departure from a team/league. But facing tough injury rehab is as likely to push a guy out of pro football altogether. 

I hope for the best for him, he was just starting to get on down there.  

[bigg jay]

48 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

How many stud NAT hit free agency? Ditto Stud OL?

I don't think stud OL are super rare in FA and the Bombers have been on both sides of it.  We picked up arguably the greatest OL in CFL history through FA and we've lost a number of really good ones over the last few years.

[Booch]

So Argos apparently wanna give osh big say in personelle...obviously they delusional and wanna be wandering the wilderness aimlessly....have at er

But new HC and era about to start here. 2 yrs too late but still a good thing

[bigg jay]

20 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Would love Drew back. 

Manu is struggling with rehab with the Lions. He tweaked his knee and was supposed to be out 4 weeks, which wasn't supposed to be season-threatening. But he's missed 4 games plus a bye week, and it sounds like he isn't close to ready to practice or even have an updated timeline to return. 

Hard to know what to make of his injury/return. It is the kind of thing that can expedite a guy's departure from a team/league. But facing tough injury rehab is as likely to push a guy out of pro football altogether. 

I hope for the best for him, he was just starting to get on down there.  

The last update on Manu was Nov 5th where Campbell said he didn't see him starting in the next week or two.  He's eligible to return on Sunday but he hasn't practiced so that's not happening.

[wbbfan]

6 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

I don't think stud OL are super rare in FA and the Bombers have been on both sides of it.  We picked up arguably the greatest OL in CFL history through FA and we've lost a number of really good ones over the last few years.

Even out side of FA, bc swung a deal last year involving an elite imp T. 

 

2 minutes ago, Booch said:

So Argos apparently wanna give osh big say in personelle...obviously they delusional and wanna be wandering the wilderness aimlessly....have at er

But new HC and era about to start here. 2 yrs too late but still a good thing

He said She said. I would not be surprised at all if Walters and Mos came to be at significant odds with the roster. Especially when you look at guys going from favorites to released/un signed like the marine. 

[bigg jay]

2 minutes ago, Booch said:

So Argos apparently wanna give osh big say in personelle...obviously they delusional and wanna be wandering the wilderness aimlessly....have at er

But new HC and era about to start here. 2 yrs too late but still a good thing

From what's been reported,  he already has a big say in personnel here so is that really a big selling feature? 

Just now, wbbfan said:

Even out side of FA, bc swung a deal last year involving an elite imp T. 

 

Yep, BC paid peanuts for Allen (who was a pending FA).  There are moves available to be made.

[wbbfan]

1 minute ago, bigg jay said:

The last update on Manu was Nov 5th where Campbell said he didn't see him starting in the next week or two.  He's eligible to return on Sunday but he hasn't practiced so that's not happening.

Yeah, the recovery seems kind of perplexing. He's not enough of a focal point for a ton of questions to be coming in for him, but he seems to be lagging. 

Should have some kind of update by next week. Hopefully its minor. 

2 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

From what's been reported,  he already has a big say in personnel here so is that really a big selling feature? 

Yep, BC paid peanuts for Allen (who was a pending FA).  There are moves available to be made.

Yeah. I think the CFL GMs are much more inclined to make trades now than they were a few years ago. And Cap wise, you don't often risk much with an off season trade. 

 

[Booch]

3 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

From what's been reported,  he already has a big say in personnel here so is that really a big selling feature? 

Yep, BC paid peanuts for Allen (who was a pending FA).  There are moves available to be made.

But if given total control basically...he'd have no pushback to deal with

He was given too much here..and killed us and created rifts with his room and with scouting...There a reason Penn left here...why work your butt off all offseason for nothing...Ted offered him similar role and off he went 

[Booch]

5 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

From what's been reported,  he already has a big say in personnel here so is that really a big selling feature? 

Yep, BC paid peanuts for Allen (who was a pending FA).  There are moves available to be made.

Could have landed Flo as well..amoung others...even guys like Godber could have been had in FA which would have made us significantly better...but when HC tbinks otherwise and got too much sway.....well.....deals can be made but when your HC says we good...and you trust him to a fault...well u get our roster 

And the G.M should trust the HC he chose...and shouldn't meddle into things...but there comes a point when they have to start exercising their g.m role as the boss too...but we didn't here...result of too much buddy buddy crap here ...possible but it needed to change this offseason ...last offseadon really but we dragged ass on several levels and were lucky to make playoffs if not for the cross over...I am a fan of the team and defend a lot...players and coaching...but we were a flawed smoke and mirrors team 2 yrs running..and the smoke finally took over

 

[bigg jay]

2 minutes ago, Booch said:

But if given total control basically...he'd have no pushback to deal with

He was given too much here..and killed us and created rifts with his room and with scouting...There a reason Penn left here...why work your butt off all offseason for nothing...Ted offered him similar role and off he went 

TBF, Penn says he left because of his loyalty to Ted.  He was the one who brought Penn in to the CFL and gave him a shot.  

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“I would have followed Ted to any team because Ted was a star, he was my guy, he was my mentor,” said Penn. “I knew that if I was around Ted, I was going to keep learning and growing — not only that, but that I was going to win because wherever Ted went, you knew he’s going to do whatever it takes to win, and he knows how to win.”