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Just now, GCn20 said:

If we had a coach that was keeping inferior players on the regular for some unknown reason, we would see these players surfacing elsewhere and realizing their potential. I don't see a single guy we brought in that is making any sort of meaningful impact anywhere else. Can you name on guy who we passed on that is more than a rotational guy anywhere else? Therefore your theory that we are letting gems slip through the cracks isn't really supported by anything tangible. Not saying it isn't the case, maybe it is, but at this point that's purely conjecture.

cant use that tho as a metric...Teams put time and money into their own recruiting and scouting....and won't dump their guys for others...thats how you also lose your scouting staff (Cyril Penn says hi)

I can see the thinking of that....but really it's a never will know...and for a lot of positions in the CFL players are pretty comparable across the board talent and skill wise....it's coaching and instruction that sets then apart....to even get a invite to even a CFL camp you gotta be able to play and have talent....and brains

So perhaps a lot of what ails us when we dont have a vet lineup in it's prime is our ability to coach and scheme effectively and get guys in right positions to be sucessful?....could very well be....Osh himself has said he at times has no clue whats going on in the locker room...and lets the guys sort things out themselves....maybe he needs to be more hands on now that he doesnt have the troops to self coach/police.....just spitballing but that is not out of the quation and making up a yarn

 

58 minutes ago, johnzo said:

has there ever been a Bomber OC that MBB liked?  Looking at the recent OCs...

Marcel Bellefeuille -- emergency scrap heap guy, only competent option at the time, somehow hung on way too long

Lapo -- too cerebral, no killer instinct, bad playcaller.  QBs check down too often.

Buck -- ruined Streveler, predictable playcaller.  QBs go deep too often.

Hogan -- worse than Buck.  offence starts hot and ends cold.  can't make adjustments.  seen wearing backwards hat and sunglasses.

seriously, I don't think I can recall an OC who was good enough for this board.

I didnt like Buck as a player and I thought that might continue on with his coaching. And imo it did. We're passing no matter what, we going deep no matter what. Etc etc. His first year wasnt as bad as his 2nd. But the GC game last year was icing on the cake imo. 

Im not as down on Hogan as some. Hes a rookie. You're gonna have growing pains. I like a lot of what he does, especially with Streveler. 

22 minutes ago, Booch said:

cant use that tho as a metric...Teams put time and money into their own recruiting and scouting....and won't dump their guys for others...thats how you also lose your scouting staff (Cyril Penn says hi)

I can see the thinking of that....but really it's a never will know...and for a lot of positions in the CFL players are pretty comparable across the board talent and skill wise....it's coaching and instruction that sets then apart....to even get a invite to even a CFL camp you gotta be able to play and have talent....and brains

So perhaps a lot of what ails us when we dont have a vet lineup in it's prime is our ability to coach and scheme effectively and get guys in right positions to be sucessful?....could very well be....Osh himself has said he at times has no clue whats going on in the locker room...and lets the guys sort things out themselves....maybe he needs to be more hands on now that he doesnt have the troops to self coach/police.....just spitballing but that is not out of the quation and making up a yarn

 

You can use that as a metric though, if we are passing on quality starting level talent other teams will gladly bring them in. Every team, no matter how much they scout, will not gladly take a quality player that slips through the cracks elsewhere. We've had numerous players that we've cut get looks elsewhere only to be cut again.

Edited August 19, 2025Aug 19 by GCn20

38 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

if we are passing on quality starting level talent other teams will gladly bring them in

This is a terrible argument... teams in the cfl barely scout practise rosters of each other any more. Fact is their own American scouting is just as efficient. Hamilton is a great example. They hired a gm from the Bombers and he found a use.for tons of guys who didn't get as many opportunities here. Mostly with Americans you're looking at potential and it's the combination of opportunity and development that turn them into impactful starters. The crux of the issue here is that we never give guys those opportunities when there's an established vet in their way on the depth chart. It leads to stagnation. 

15 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

This is a terrible argument... teams in the cfl barely scout practise rosters of each other any more. Fact is their own American scouting is just as efficient. Hamilton is a great example. They hired a gm from the Bombers and he found a use.for tons of guys who didn't get as many opportunities here. Mostly with Americans you're looking at potential and it's the combination of opportunity and development that turn them into impactful starters. The crux of the issue here is that we never give guys those opportunities when there's an established vet in their way on the depth chart. It leads to stagnation. 

Teams barely scout PRs of each other? Based on what are you saying this? Who says? I've seen umpteen examples of teams taking prospects released by other teams and getting good use out of them. We've had several players released by us get looks in other places only to be released by other teams. You are not arguing with facts in any way, shape, or form right now. You believe we are not giving players development? How so? Do you think that playing players that are not developed is the way to develop them properly? That is nonsense. Not one iota of your counter argument is grounded in reality.

Edited August 19, 2025Aug 19 by GCn20

On 2025-08-19 at 9:42 AM, GCn20 said:

Yes and no. Surely Collaros made some bad decisions, but mostly because Buck allowed him to do so. Sometimes and OC has to take the green light away and that was Buck's biggest flaw.  

My abiding Buck / Zach moment is the TSN turning point pick that Zach threw right after tearing up his finger in the 2024 Grey Cup.  That's one I'd like to dissect. Was that Zach gunslinging or was that play call intended as a deep shot?

 

Edited August 20, 2025Aug 20 by johnzo

12 minutes ago, johnzo said:

My abiding Buck / Zach moment is the TSN turning point pick that Zach threw right after tearing up his finger in the 2024 Grey Cup.  That's one I'd like to dissect. Was that Zach gunslinging or was that play call intended as a deep shot?

 

Thanks for that memory Debbie.