Stamps at Bombers early chat

[Tracker]

9 minutes ago, Mike said:

I really find it weird that certain people don’t think these players would vent to acquaintances

Sometimes I hate my job and I’ll ***** to the mailman if he’d listen. We really tend to glamourize this occupation around here because these guys are pro athletes. They still feel the same as we do about their jobs. 

I suggest that they are more emotionally attached to their jobs as not only are their incomes dependent on them, but also their egos. And most, if not all pro athletes are ego- driven. That likely applies to the coaches as well.

[ShyGuy]

2 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Hope is a poor stratagem.

Who is hoping anything?

Do you think BC who can't seem to beat anyone other than the Elks is in a better position than the Bombers?
Would you take the Riders aging roster, riddled with injuries led by an aging QB who can't push the ball down the field over the Bombers aging roster, with an sub-optimal active roster led by an aging QB who can't seem to push the ball down the field?
Would you take Elks roster who spent like drunken sailors on defense only to end up with objectively the worst defense in the league and are trying to shoehorn Tre Ford into a franchise QB role while giving him no reasonable help on offense?

NGL Stamps looking pretty good rn though.

[Pete]

I dont pretend that I know what any specifics player is thinking, but it has to be frustrating for younger players that have shown promise to be left on the sidelines without a chance to show what they can do other than special teams especially when they see rookies on other teams.

 Players like Chris-Ike, Shay, Smith even Cam Allen . Its like OShea wants them to wait a year ( unless its forced by injury) before he eoll trust them on the field

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Pete

[Booch]

4 hours ago, GCn20 said:

I would expect you to defend your inside knowledge, as someone of your ilk is bound to do. Sorry man, but until proven otherwise your insider knowledge is random fan here say. You say I am just a random person who befriended them kinda like a workout buddy I suppose. I know you've suggested you have had some former playing days but that does not make you a current colleague of theirs.

It does when you still work with many, and with a lot of young guys looking to land jobs up here...I also didnt mean to be rude but a lot of what I will divulge isnt opinion so sorry if came across as attacking.....but also once a player...always a player too....so you do get extra spilled tea on the inside stuff....

41 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

To be fair, Calgary and Edmonton were the two teams that seemed to be most active / had the least losses over the offseason. It has worked out very well for the Stamps... for the Elks not so much. The Lions are sitting at .500... but they beat the floundering Elks twice and snuck past an injured Als team for their other win. The Riders took a fairly aged team with an otherworldly TO Ratio and ran it back and are in a similar situation to the start as last year, but honestly it seems they have more cracks. The Bombers started 0-4 last year and are 3-1 this year.
 

Cgy has had a lot of turnover actually......The elks just spent poorly....they robbed from peter to pay Paul so to speak

 

33 minutes ago, Brandon said:

I was told Booch was THIS GUY!!

hahahah.....i do know him very well actually....he did a total chamge tho from when first here to his H.C gig....I think he had some kind of life event that messed him up....or he just was an addict to power and became a right tool

[Booch]

22 minutes ago, Pete said:

I dont pretend that I know what any specifics player is thinking, but it has to be frustrating for younger players that have shown promise to be left on the sidelines without a chance to show what they can do other than special teams especially when they see rookies on other teams.

 Players like Chris-Ike, Shay, Smith even Cam Allen . Its like OShea wants them to wait a year ( unless its forced by injury) before he eoll trust them on the field

 

 

This is a real thing.....and as close and tight as teams/media and the like will say the room and culture is....and players will say it publicly also as to not rock the boat....there are still exclusive groups who do talk amoungst themselves and question the why's and how's and see when a certain player gets played over a better player....it's a normal thing....it also has to do with earning their dollars...or chance to earn more dollars....its a show me sport and how you get your pay....and careers are short

Lotsa people will say "yeah but nobody picked up this rookie...or that rookie we cut" but teams have time and money invested in their own recruits...and wont drop their guys for someone elses...thats how you eviscerate your scouting department....and also a good reason why Penn left here....worked his butt off and to watch slugs and plugs and lesser talent get the playtime as a coach's choice.....could have advanced up the ranks here but chose to do so with Goviea....Penn is a serious up and comer and a bummer of a guy to have lost

[wbbfan]

Bryant and schoen both ruled doubtful for the game and haven’t practiced. Have to imagine both will sit this game. 
 If vanterpool kicks out to T and Wallace goes back in to G, I wonder if we flip any ni to imp. Probably not, but dare to dream. 
 

 

[Tracker]

38 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

Who is hoping anything?

Do you think BC who can't seem to beat anyone other than the Elks is in a better position than the Bombers?
Would you take the Riders aging roster, riddled with injuries led by an aging QB who can't push the ball down the field over the Bombers aging roster, with an sub-optimal active roster led by an aging QB who can't seem to push the ball down the field?
Would you take Elks roster who spent like drunken sailors on defense only to end up with objectively the worst defense in the league and are trying to shoehorn Tre Ford into a franchise QB role while giving him no reasonable help on offense?

NGL Stamps looking pretty good rn though.

The other western teams have made significant moves to strengthen themselves, whereas the Bombers have largely stood pat. Admittedly, whether those changes will bear fruit remains to be seen, but at the very least, they have acknowledged that last year wasn't good enough and have made changes. Yup- so far Calgary looks to be better (way better, thanks to Adams behind centre) and Edmonton looks to be a basket case.

6 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Bryant and schoen both ruled doubtful for the game and haven’t practiced. Have to imagine both will sit this game. 
 If vanterpool kicks out to T and Wallace goes back in to G, I wonder if we flip any ni to imp. Probably not, but dare to dream. 
 

 

Becoming quite concerned about Schoen. He is hurt again, and not just nicked on a day-to-day basis and when he was in the lineup did not look anywhere as good as before his injury. 

[wbbfan]

16 minutes ago, Tracker said:

The other western teams have made significant moves to strengthen themselves, whereas the Bombers have largely stood pat. Admittedly, whether those changes will bear fruit remains to be seen, but at the very least, they have acknowledged that last year wasn't good enough and have made changes. Yup- so far Calgary looks to be better (way better, thanks to Adams behind centre) and Edmonton looks to be a basket case.

Becoming quite concerned about Schoen. He is hurt again, and not just nicked on a day-to-day basis and when he was in the lineup did not look anywhere as good as before his injury. 

Same. Getting the sinking feeling that we have repeated the Geroy Simon - Robert Gordon decision. 
 I get why we made the decision. And pre cap going up I agree 300k wr is too much. Especially when you have Demski making 225-250k.  Hindsight is 20/20, but we would’ve been a whole lot better off cutting bait on Demski and schoen, keeping lawler and bringing in any vet wr other than the 3 we brought in. 
 

Very unfortunate outcome to our off season approach. 

[Booch]

42 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Bryant and schoen both ruled doubtful for the game and haven’t practiced. Have to imagine both will sit this game. 
 If vanterpool kicks out to T and Wallace goes back in to G, I wonder if we flip any ni to imp. Probably not, but dare to dream. 
 

 

you would think they would add say and End....or get Jones on Roster in Bryants spot....6 Canadians again on offensive side of ball so only 1 needed on defence for any given snap....So be it Lotsa Lawson....and I'd have Griffin at SAM so he on the field all the time and rotate Kramdi in like Griffin did....or use Kramdi at SAM for snaps and Have griffin do his usual thing to spell off Lawson

You'd think too seeing how we need ways to get pressure on defence they would add Bailey for Weitz too, and really keep our front guys fresh and able to cut loose...but all that would make too much sense

Osh prob will dress Lofton as an extra olineman...or Cooley who will see prob zero reps on offence with Brady and Peterson already on roster and just waste a DA with yes...I will say it...poor roster management

[wbbfan]

9 minutes ago, Booch said:

you would think they would add say and End....or get Jones on Roster in Bryants spot....6 Canadians again on offensive side of ball so only 1 needed on defence for any given snap....So be it Lotsa Lawson....and I'd have Griffin at SAM so he on the field all the time and rotate Kramdi in like Griffin did....or use Kramdi at SAM for snaps and Have griffin do his usual thing to spell off Lawson

You'd think too seeing how we need ways to get pressure on defence they would add Bailey for Weitz too, and really keep our front guys fresh and able to cut loose...but all that would make too much sense

Osh prob will dress Lofton as an extra olineman...or Cooley who will see prob zero reps on offence with Brady and Peterson already on roster and just waste a DA with yes...I will say it...poor roster management

Honestly, I expect straight across swaps for the injured guys and us to just start an extra Canadian on our campaign to ratio kings of the cfl so we can get our extra pick. 
 

The extra imp on the dl with a lot less Jake, mainly Lawson and no other ni dl reps would be great. No chance it happens.  

[WinnipegGordo]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

Bryant and schoen both ruled doubtful for the game and haven’t practiced. Have to imagine both will sit this game. 
 If vanterpool kicks out to T and Wallace goes back in to G, I wonder if we flip any ni to imp. Probably not, but dare to dream. 
 

 

They will probably be GTD and since it's a home game we prolly won't know if they are playing until the pregame warm-ups.

Similar to Demski last home game.

 

[rebusrankin]

I expect Case for Schoen and Vanterpool for Bryant with no clue how they use the extra American spot.

[17to85]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

Getting the sinking feeling that we have repeated the Geroy Simon - Robert Gordon decision. 

I have always hated this description of it... it was JUST Robert Gordon, it was also Arland Bruce as a young guy and he turned out pretty good too.

[wbbfan]

21 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

I have always hated this description of it... it was JUST Robert Gordon, it was also Arland Bruce as a young guy and he turned out pretty good too.

That’s not accurate though. Geroy Simon left after the 2000 season, Arland Bruce signed here as a rookie in may of 2001. 
 We waited on Gordon, who went from nfl camp with the lions to the AFL, rather than bringing back Simon. Bruce was not in the picture when this decision was made. 
 Even by the time Gordon was healthy, Bruce was on a rookie deal in an era with no cap. We could have most easily had milt, Simon, and Bruce. 

[wbbfan]

59 minutes ago, WinnipegGordo said:

They will probably be GTD and since it's a home game we prolly won't know if they are playing until the pregame warm-ups.

Similar to Demski last home game.

 

Yeah I could see that. Might only be Bryant who is a gtd though. Since schoen hasn’t been close to 100% as of yet and is injured and now not practiced or played since last game, I expect him to sit. 
 It would be nuts to force a guy back in whose banged up and was so far off before that. 
 

49 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

I expect Case for Schoen and Vanterpool for Bryant with no clue how they use the extra American spot.

I’ll bet we don’t use an extra imp starter. They won’t sub out Kramdi, Thomas/lawson, Brady, Demski, clercius, kola, or Neuf. And they won’t use the fake ni rules. So we will start atleast 8 Canadians. 
 
 

[rebusrankin]

Wasn't the timeline, Geory was with Kansas City in their camp in 2001, Gordon joined us again in the summer and Bruce had emerged as a rookie, so they passed on bringing Geory back? As I recall, wasn't roster spots an issue? However on that, Blink had emerged, Blount was the returner and could they have not released Mills who was the third rb at that time? Anyways, agree it was a mistake and I've always felt Taman messed that one up.

[SpeedFlex27]

11 hours ago, Colin Unger said:

That’s a heck of an analysis. Sure they let him walk to save money on cap…. That’s one way to put it.  The guy is way over paid. Overplayed by a country mile. I’m not a fan of Jake Thomas at this point but linking the two together lacks logic.  Ford is getting paid way way more than Thomas. The two negotiations aren’t linked in any way. 

It’s your view that Winnipeg is 400k under the cap? I’d love to see your source on that.

Common knowledge. I'm not even going to discuss it with you as you seem to have selective hearing or eyesight. 

 

 

[SpeedFlex27]

8 hours ago, GCn20 said:

So you can't name one and you are just assuming....got it.

Why don't you? You seem to know more than me. I don't lie or make things up. I have no reason to. Maybe I'll get info wrong sometimes but I'm no liar. 

[Piggy 1]

4 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Why don't you? You seem to know more than me. I don't lie or make things up. I have no reason to. Maybe I'll get info wrong sometimes but I'm no liar. 

Some ppl dont know when to quit. 

[SpeedFlex27]

11 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:

Again....this is YOUR narrative. Since that announcement has come out, the CFLPA has stated that it's not sure where that money will be allocated. Or even if it's going to materialize. https://3downnation.com/2025/03/27/cfl-salary-cap-increase-not-set-in-stone-cflpa-still-working-through-revenue-share-allocation/#:~:text=“There's never going to be,available%2C please check again soon.

 

Yes, you made up that there is a morale issue in the locker room. There hasn't been any reports of that or even rumours. It's something you've decided might be a thing, based on nothing other than players who left for unknown (as in, we don't know if the club tried to keep them or not) reasons. You're making things up.

So, after all this time (6 months) still no announcement of a change. And what will the CFL do with the teams like Edmonton that spent (in good faith) up to the new cap amount if the CFLPA does change it's mind? Clawback the $400,000 with financial penalties & loss of draft picks?? Highly unlikely. The cap would be a mess. Teams would be in disarray & the CFL would look totally bush just like they did last Friday. So, if the CFL & CFLPA haven't figured things out by now then they deserve every criticim they get. 

[JuranBoldenRules]

12 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

So, after all this time (6 months) still no announcement of a change. And what will the CFL do with the teams like Edmonton that spent (in good faith) up to the new cap amount if the CFLPA does change it's mind? Clawback the $400,000 with financial penalties & loss of draft picks?? Highly unlikely. The cap would be a mess. Teams would be in disarray & the CFL would look totally bush just like they did last Friday. So, if the CFL & CFLPA haven't figured things out by now then they deserve every criticim they get. 

I don't see anyone close to the limit number + $400,000.

Look at Edmonton's receivers, secondary aside from Ford, OL, their 3 QB's make less than Collaros.  They aren't at that number.

Hamilton signed a bunch of guys who had played in the CFL, most of them had basically no market aside from Lawler.

[17to85]

43 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Wasn't the timeline, Geory was with Kansas City in their camp in 2001, Gordon joined us again in the summer and Bruce had emerged as a rookie, so they passed on bringing Geory back? As I recall, wasn't roster spots an issue? However on that, Blink had emerged, Blount was the returner and could they have not released Mills who was the third rb at that time? Anyways, agree it was a mistake and I've always felt Taman messed that one up.

That's my recollection. Simon spent the 01 season in the NFL and Bruce had emerged that year.

[wbbfan]

16 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Wasn't the timeline, Geory was with Kansas City in their camp in 2001, Gordon joined us again in the summer and Bruce had emerged as a rookie, so they passed on bringing Geory back? As I recall, wasn't roster spots an issue? However on that, Blink had emerged, Blount was the returner and could they have not released Mills who was the third rb at that time? Anyways, agree it was a mistake and I've always felt Taman messed that one up.

Simon was one of the first cut a with kc, and was sitting. we didn’t tender an offer and he was considering retirement. After the multiple cuts from nfl teams in the 90s and thinking he was one of the best options for kc he was stunned and depressed. 
 Gordon debuted here August 10th after finishing a season in the afl. 

Some wild facts about Simon, 

he worked out with an early Kurt Warner in St. Louis. Warner wanted Simon bad, but the rams passed which lead to him in the cfl later. 

 He was actually going to go to Hamilton, not bc in 01, on his birthday. September 11th. The attacks happened and the tiger cats changed their mind.  Two weeks later bc signed him. 

4 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

That's my recollection. Simon spent the 01 season in the NFL and Bruce had emerged that year.

He was in the nfl for a couple weeks only. Mini camp week of July 23. 30th vets reported. Simon was available before Gordon. 

[bigg jay]

3 hours ago, wbbfan said:

Very unfortunate outcome to our off season approach. 

Looking back at who we "added" in the off season and it's pretty sad. Other than Sterns and Vaughters (neither of whom are blowing anyone's socks off), what value did we actually add?

Winnipeg Blue Bombers

Added: REC Gavin Cobb (N), DL Brock Gowanlock (N), DB Josh Hagerty (N), LB Jonathan Jones (A), DB Dexter Lawson Jr. (A), RB/KR Peyton Logan (A), LB Enock Makonzo (N), REC Dillon Mitchell (A), QB Shea Patterson (A), REC Jerreth Sterns (A), DL James Vaughters (A), REC Reggie White Jr. (A)

Edited 3 hours ago by bigg jay

[rebusrankin]

That is one sad list.