Well it’s Canada Day! Hopefully the last post in this thread is the Jets hoisting the Cup.   Enjoy the frenzy!

 

1 hour ago, HardCoreBlue said:

And/or management isn't assembling the appropriate skill sets needed to support the best player on the planet. 

That's just the easy answer though. You actually look at that team and you can see that while the roster may be imperfect, there is more there than the coaches were getting. 

Case in point, last year everyone blamed the poor PP on Woodcroft. He was the assistant who had that job so makes sense right? Except the PP looks like the same crappy thing in Edmonton this year while Woodcroft looks like a revelation as the AHL head coach this season including a dangerous PP. Meanwhile the assistant coach the Oilers hired from Swift Current who supposedly is a bright PP mind isn't even being talked to about the PP. 

Mclellan isn't a horrible coach, but he is a horrible fit in Edmonton and the results speak for themselves. Especially when you consider the obvious disconnect between GM and coach on the roster. 

3 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

That's just the easy answer though. You actually look at that team and you can see that while the roster may be imperfect, there is more there than the coaches were getting. 

Case in point, last year everyone blamed the poor PP on Woodcroft. He was the assistant who had that job so makes sense right? Except the PP looks like the same crappy thing in Edmonton this year while Woodcroft looks like a revelation as the AHL head coach this season including a dangerous PP. Meanwhile the assistant coach the Oilers hired from Swift Current who supposedly is a bright PP mind isn't even being talked to about the PP. 

Mclellan isn't a horrible coach, but he is a horrible fit in Edmonton and the results speak for themselves. Especially when you consider the obvious disconnect between GM and coach on the roster. 

I'm sorry, easy answer? Their lack of success with the best player on the planet is a shared responsibility, players, coaches and management. Look at PC's  body of work during his tenure here in Oiler land, it needs to be scrutinized just like everyone else involved. No, no, assessing management and their accountability has to be part of this discussion. If Hitchcock and group don't turn this around, I can guess who is next to go and it would be the right one. He's used his last Mulligan.   

28 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

I'm sorry, easy answer? Their lack of success with the best player on the planet is a shared responsibility, players, coaches and management. Look at PC's  body of work during his tenure here in Oiler land, it needs to be scrutinized just like everyone else involved. No, no, assessing management and their accountability has to be part of this discussion. If Hitchcock and group don't turn this around, I can guess who is next to go and it would be the right one. He's used his last Mulligan.   

obviously Chiarelli is on the hot seat too, but let's not absolve Mclellan of blame when there are some clear things he doesn't do well. Guy doesn't line match at all, Mcdavid gets the toughest matchups at home and away, he blew that Calgary game on the weekend by sticking with the "protection" of Lucic on the top line and Kassian on the second line even when the Flames stopped trying to win a physical game. Just no adaptations at all. His only strategy when coaching is put McDavid and Draisaitl together and hope they win the game. 

I think the roster has more to give than they were getting out of it because we've seen shittier rosters have better results. I want to see what a new coach does with this group. 

If we're being totally honest they really should have just kept Todd Nelson when they hired Chiarelli, that guy got the best out of his players.

McClellan got sent packing cuz he signed an overrated Draisaitl and Lucic to long term crippling contracts and traded last season's MVP for a 2RHD. For sure. 

17to85 

Man are you ever delushional here. 

Oilers lack the talent... Its obvious.. Eberle for Spooner essentially... Hall for a 2 RHD. This is 100 percent on Chiarelli... 100 percent. 

 

Hitchcock wont help cuz hes a dinosaur and did nothing with a more talented Dallas team. 

Edited November 20, 20187 yr by Goalie

So Little, Vesa , Petan + Trouba for McDavid

 

This is the time to pillage

18 hours ago, Goalie said:

McClellan got sent packing cuz he signed an overrated Draisaitl and Lucic to long term crippling contracts and traded last season's MVP for a 2RHD. For sure. 

17to85 

Man are you ever delushional here. 

Oilers lack the talent... Its obvious.. Eberle for Spooner essentially... Hall for a 2 RHD. This is 100 percent on Chiarelli... 100 percent. 

 

Hitchcock wont help cuz hes a dinosaur and did nothing with a more talented Dallas team. 

I won't defend some of chia's trades, but draisaitl is on pace for over 100 points right now, how is he over rated? 

Mclellan was a problem and you will see that as more time passes. Hitchcock isn't a long term solution but you will see a different oiler team and don't be surprised if McDavid actually scores more now. 

Hitchcock was done 3 - 4 years ago...   even the hockey "experts" on the radio this morning were talking about how he runs an outdated even to defend system.     Now if Edmonton were to get Quenneville....  

Yeah the way the Blues have gone since he left there sure seems to indicate the guy is useless.... 

People are selling this move short, just watch. Oilers need a teacher and someone who uses guys to their strengths, that's Hitchcock. Mclellan didn't even line match, he just let the other teams dictate the matchups. What do you think McDavid will do when he isn't having to take all the hard matchups and when the rest of the lineup gets more sheltering?

So how did the Oilers get so far in the playoffs two years ago if Mclellan sucked? Seems to me it's been the horrible trades.

Edited November 21, 20187 yr by kelownabomberfan

8 minutes ago, kelownabomberfan said:

So how did the Oilers get so far in the playoffs two years ago if Mclellan sucked? Seems to me it's been the horrible trades.

Remember when it was all Dallas Eakins' fault? I see a similar pattern of 17to85 absolving everybody of blame except the head coach.

Edited November 21, 20187 yr by sweep the leg

27 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

Remember when it was all Dallas Eakins' fault? I see a similar pattern of 17to85 absolving everybody of blame except the head coach.

See other thread as well: All Lapo's fault.

58 minutes ago, sweep the leg said:

Remember when it was all Dallas Eakins' fault? I see a similar pattern of 17to85 absolving everybody of blame except the head coach.

Eakins was a problem. Renney and krueger and Nelson were guys who never should have been let go, Eakins and Mclellan were problems.

So here's the thing, I believe Mclellan brought some value initially, but he never adapted when his **** stopped working, and that is why the Oilers started struggling. Coaching is a constant game of adapting and mclellan never did that. We saw more in game coaching from Hitchcock last night than in years of mclellan.

The roster is imperfect, but there is more to it than mclellan was getting from them.

9 hours ago, Brandon said:

Hitchcock was done 3 - 4 years ago...   even the hockey "experts" on the radio this morning were talking about how he runs an outdated even to defend system.     Now if Edmonton were to get Quenneville....  

Absofockinglutely!

21 hours ago, Brandon said:

Hitchcock was done 3 - 4 years ago...   even the hockey "experts" on the radio this morning were talking about how he runs an outdated even to defend system.     Now if Edmonton were to get Quenneville....  

No, losing looks good on the Oilers.

Jets can bring him back!

 

haha maybe it will happen!

10 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

haha maybe it will happen!

They,d then gave to put him on waivers to send him to Moose.

2 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

They,d then gave to put him on waivers to send him to Moose.

Nope. Lemieux would go. 

6 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

They,d then gave to put him on waivers to send him to Moose.

They'd have to keep him on the roster for 30 days though, before sending him down (and watching him get claimed again). 

 

Dano back in the Peg.

3 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Dano back in the Peg.

Haha. Well done, Chevy. 

 

EDIT: Didn't have to pay him for a month to sit. 

Edited November 23, 20187 yr by JCon

14 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Dano back in the Peg.

No Way!  haha thats hilarious.  Well I guess they like him then because if they had nothing for him, paying him $800,000 to play for the Moose didnt seem worth it.  But I guess it adds depth after losing Vesa and they know him and he knows their system.

EDIT: Assigned to the moose.  So it only them a month to accomplish their original goal.

Edited November 23, 20187 yr by The Unknown Poster