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Edited October 6, 20187 yr by FrostyWinnipeg

3 minutes ago, Logan007 said:

No they didn't.  No one replied.

Yes, they did. It was the talk when they got on the Falcon.

6 minutes ago, JCon said:

Yes, they did. It was the talk when they got on the Falcon.

Hmm...I don't recall that.

Either way I got the jist that they were going to regroup.  I hope they jump ahead a few years in 9 and show that she's already training new Jedi with force ghost Luke's help.

1 minute ago, Logan007 said:

Hmm...I don't recall that.

Either way I got the jist that they were going to regroup.  I hope they jump ahead a few years in 9 and show that she's already training new Jedi with force ghost Luke's help.

I hope so. We really need to see Ren at the height of his powers and a real opposition from all the star systems.

The way Jedi ended, it was "unfortunate" for bulk of the Imperial fleet to be at new Death Star and for every ranking member to get caught up in the destruction.

I'm not sure how many First Order dreadnaughts there were but more than one, obviously.

Kind of wished they saved the Star Killer now for the third episode.

What a terrible freaking movie. It's as if the directors of the last two films hated each other and set out to make stories that didn't even link to each other. I'm damn near ready to beg Lucas to come back... it's that bad.

And if they in fact had an editor, he/she/they ought to be shot. It was slowwww and borrrrring. If you had never heard of Star Wars and the in-story universe meant nothing to you, you'd hate the film because nothing happens.

And I won't even open the can of worms that is my biggest beef with it.

Edited December 19, 20178 yr by bluto

1 hour ago, Logan007 said:

JJ didn't do this.

Jj was involved in the overall story. And he’s director and writer of 9 would be involved. Probably too much to blame him because the films were disjointed. TFA and TLJ don’t flow well. 

They tried to be different for different s sake. And it didn’t work. 

41 minutes ago, bluto said:

What a terrible freaking movie. It's as if the directors of the last two films hated each other and set out to make stories that didn't even link to each other. I'm damn near ready to beg Lucas to come back... it's that bad.

And if they in fact had an editor, he/she/they ought to be shot. It was slowwww and borrrrring. If you had never heard of Star Wars and the in-story universe meant nothing to you, you'd hate the film because nothing happens.

And I won't even open the can of worms that is my biggest beef with it.

Very good point. The two films don’t work together.  Especially Rey. But also Snoke.  

For all the criticism of Jjs film as a rehash, it was way better. 

My biggest beef is still the poor attempt at comedy.  It's like there were no funny writers hired on the movie and then the studio came in and said "can you make this funny like Deadpool?"

Except the writers have no idea how to be funny so it ends up being awful.

"I've got an important message for Hux... about his mother."  Come on.  That's just plain bad.

2 minutes ago, Atomic said:

My biggest beef is still the poor attempt at comedy.  It's like there were no funny writers hired on the movie and then the studio came in and said "can you make this funny like Deadpool?"

Except the writers have no idea how to be funny so it ends up being awful.

"I've got an important message for Hux... about his mother."  Come on.  That's just plain bad.

That whole first segment was awful for that reason.  And it was weird hearing them use sort of “modern” comedy and verbiage. The interaction with Hux about waiting on hold, the mom joke. Someone said “we’re toast” at one point to and that verbiage sort of struck me as odd for Star Wars. 

The clmedy around BB8 didn’t bother me. I liked it in TFA too. But we need to believe Hux is formidable, not a goof.   

The entire bad guy side was gutted in this film. Episode 9 looks like the “long awaited showdown” of a lousy dark side user against an inexperienced light side user. Where do I sign up?

someone might say that’s like Luke who was also inexperienced. But it’s very different.  Luke had more training. But his entire point was that he would not fight his father. He would not defeat him with the force. He’d turn him.  Yoda and Ben were desperate to train him to physically defeat Vader but Luke was right. 

In this trilogy they throw that away. “I can’t save him” or whatever Luke said about Kylo. Leia, who in TFA pleads wirh Han to save Kylo because she feels the good in him agrees he must be killed. 

So the whole point is different and Rey, who they now say is not special and has no emotional connection to the story is meant to physically defeat someone she already defeated. 

This film completely ignores TFA. 

21 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

 But we need to believe Hux is formidable, not a goof.   

Now, imagine Tarkin.

The fact that Hux was ridiculed and his decisions were undermined so frequently, makes him so weak. Is he supposed to be intimidating or the butt of jokes?

https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-have-disney-strike-star-wars-episode-viii-from-the-official-canon

 

 

21 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

That whole first segment was awful for that reason.  And it was weird hearing them use sort of “modern” comedy and verbiage. The interaction with Hux about waiting on hold, the mom joke. Someone said “we’re toast” at one point to and that verbiage sort of struck me as odd for Star Wars. 

The clmedy around BB8 didn’t bother me. I liked it in TFA too. But we need to believe Hux is formidable, not a goof.   

The entire bad guy side was gutted in this film. Episode 9 looks like the “long awaited showdown” of a lousy dark side user against an inexperienced light side user. Where do I sign up?

someone might say that’s like Luke who was also inexperienced. But it’s very different.  Luke had more training. But his entire point was that he would not fight his father. He would not defeat him with the force. He’d turn him.  Yoda and Ben were desperate to train him to physically defeat Vader but Luke was right. 

In this trilogy they throw that away. “I can’t save him” or whatever Luke said about Kylo. Leia, who in TFA pleads wirh Han to save Kylo because she feels the good in him agrees he must be killed. 

So the whole point is different and Rey, who they now say is not special and has no emotional connection to the story is meant to physically defeat someone she already defeated. 

This film completely ignores TFA. 

When Finn uses the word "cops" when talking about the local security.  It pulled me right out of the movie.

3 hours ago, bluto said:

https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-have-disney-strike-star-wars-episode-viii-from-the-official-canon

"We stuck by you when you did things that hurt us before"

lol nerds

JJ has his work cut out for him to repair the damage 

in one film he has to 

- resolve Leia

- explain Snoke

- correct Rey’s parentage 

- make Kylo formidable 

- correct Luke and resurrect him to be the optimist badass we want 

- complete this disjointed muddled trilogy 

3 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

JJ has his work cut out for him to repair the damage 

in one film he has to 

- resolve Leia - Opening sequence, I'm sure. Big First Order attack. Bye Princess. 

- explain Snoke - At this point, I don't care. They killed the storyline. He's already forgotten.

- correct Rey’s parentage - Yes, but boy is it going to seem weird when that comes back up. 

- make Kylo formidable - No kidding. How do you make him badder than Vader, though? He's leading the First Order, so he should be one BMF. 

- correct Luke and resurrect him to be the optimist badass we want - He's dead. Obviously, he can come back like Yoda and Ben have. 

- complete this disjointed muddled trilogy - He'll make it three-for-three on disjointed messes, I'm sure. 

Just keep it simple. Go with what makes sense and what does the least damage. 

Why is it so important that Rey has some big secret origin?  We see all kinds of Force kids in the prequel movies and given how Jedi aren't allowed to mate or love, those younglings must have come from plain old non Force parents...

I know that JJ Abrams teased that Rey had some mysterious pedigree but remember, this is the guy who made Lost -- he's great at setting up mysteries but not so much at paying them off...

It’s not that Rey needs to be someone. Although I prefer the idea that the Skywalker family is special. For some reason they seemed to want to undermine the precious trilogies by making the Skywalkers not important. 

But TFA clearly hinted she was special and her parentage was important. This film ignores that. 

10 hours ago, johnzo said:

Why is it so important that Rey has some big secret origin?  We see all kinds of Force kids in the prequel movies and given how Jedi aren't allowed to mate or love, those younglings must have come from plain old non Force parents...

I know that JJ Abrams teased that Rey had some mysterious pedigree but remember, this is the guy who made Lost -- he's great at setting up mysteries but not so much at paying them off...

The old Jedi weren't allowed to mate.  But remember they had fallacy's to them as Luke explained.  You don't have to be "married" to the force in order to be a Jedi.  That's what those books will teach Rey.  That there must be balance.

I'm guessing there will be a few surprises in EP9.  I personally don't think Snoke is gone.  There's a reason he looks like he's half ripped apart.  I'm guessing a powerful force user as him knows how to keep himself alive by transferring himself into a different body.  As for Rey's parentage....we'll see.  JJ loves to have tricks up his sleeve.

3 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

It’s not that Rey needs to be someone. Although I prefer the idea that the Skywalker family is special. For some reason they seemed to want to undermine the precious trilogies by making the Skywalkers not important. 

But TFA clearly hinted she was special and her parentage was important. This film ignores that. 

Ren is a Skywalker, so the lineage continues.

 

I would like to have seen Rey's parentage tie in with Palpatine's bloodline. Make sense why they would leave her on a desert planet, away from everyone. Also makes sense why she has such a strong connection to the force and some darkside leanings.

On 12/19/2017 at 10:43 AM, Atomic said:

My biggest beef is still the poor attempt at comedy.  It's like there were no funny writers hired on the movie and then the studio came in and said "can you make this funny like Deadpool?"

Except the writers have no idea how to be funny so it ends up being awful.

"I've got an important message for Hux... about his mother."  Come on.  That's just plain bad.

Mine is the casino story line. 

6 hours ago, JCon said:

Ren is a Skywalker, so the lineage continues.

 

I would like to have seen Rey's parentage tie in with Palpatine's bloodline. Make sense why they would leave her on a desert planet, away from everyone. Also makes sense why she has such a strong connection to the force and some darkside leanings.

Time line be damned ( we dont know reys age any way) dutchess satine and obiwan parents are my no1. A rebels tie in would be great too. 

4 hours ago, wbbfan said:

Mine is the casino story line. 

Time line be damned ( we dont know reys age any way) dutchess satine and obiwan parents are my no1. A rebels tie in would be great too. 

That would be some timeline. Bring back the Mandalorians!

 

Side note: I thought Rey looked much older in this film. Something about her face in the first one made her look exceptionally young but she seemed to age about 5 to 8 years by The Last Jedi. 

15 hours ago, wbbfan said:

Mine is the casino story line. 

Time line be damned ( we dont know reys age any way) dutchess satine and obiwan parents are my no1. A rebels tie in would be great too. 

Same, hate the casino story line.

 

If Obiwan and Satine were her parents...she'd be as old, if not older, then Luke.  Grandparents yes.  Parents no.

On 2017-12-20 at 8:04 AM, JCon said:

Now, imagine Tarkin.

The fact that Hux was ridiculed and his decisions were undermined so frequently, makes him so weak. Is he supposed to be intimidating or the butt of jokes?

And I was okay with it wirh Hux and Kylo being equal but different in the Hierarchy under Snoke. But once you lose Snoke you have nothing. You have a goofy fool and a petulant brat as your big bad guys. 

On the flip side you have a young girl with almost no training bordering on the brink of “Mary sue”, a leader we know won’t be in the next film and the saga hero who was wasted and killed off. 

I’d say Poe is actually the most heroic but this film took him three steps back too. 

Fin might be the least damaged character from this film. To be fair I like Rey and feel she wasn’t damaged so much as not really moved forward that much and her abilities are simply too much at this point. 

22 hours ago, JCon said:

Ren is a Skywalker, so the lineage continues.

 

I would like to have seen Rey's parentage tie in with Palpatine's bloodline. Make sense why they would leave her on a desert planet, away from everyone. Also makes sense why she has such a strong connection to the force and some darkside leanings.

Yes. I was for her being a Solo. There were hints to that in TFA. But being related to palpatine would be fine too.  And the dark side that calls her could actually be Palps. And in doing that, the films connect more to the others. 

Jedi doesn’t feel like a sequel to TFA. 

5 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Yes. I was for her being a Solo. There were hints to that in TFA. But being related to palpatine would be fine too.  And the dark side that calls her could actually be Palps. And in doing that, the films connect more to the others. 

Jedi doesn’t feel like a sequel to TFA. 

I truly liked how they connected Rey and Ren. The ability to see one-another and communicate directly was very unique.

If the future is without Jedi (or a Jedi order) and it's just a pair of Force-sensitive entities bordering on dark and light, I'm okay with that.

17 minutes ago, JCon said:

I truly liked how they connected Rey and Ren. The ability to see one-another and communicate directly was very unique.

If the future is without Jedi (or a Jedi order) and it's just a pair of Force-sensitive entities bordering on dark and light, I'm okay with that.

I didnt mind that at all because it creates a deeper connection between those two.  As I recall, Snoke said he was the one creating that link.  Which again shows us how powerful he is. 

In TFA, Kylo clearly knew who she was both by his reaction to being told of a "girl" on the planet and demanding to know "what girl".  And it was cut but originally when he's reading her mind he says "it IS you".  Han also reacts oddly to her saying her name (and her name was changed before filming from Kira which could be just a routine change or because they would reveal her real name was Kira).  So I strongly believe JJ has different ideas for these characters than Rian showed us in Jedi.

The idea that the Jedi were wrong is fine with me.  Luke as much as says so.  And the OT supports this.  because Yoda and Ben are both against Luke leaving his training to help his friends.  Yoda is even against training Luke altogether (though that begs the question as to why he waited so long then but this might be accepted as Yoda doubting himself in the wake of his perceived failure in the PT).   Yoda & Ben both want Luke to fully train and kill Vader, not turn him.  So OT shows us they are still committed to THEIR Jedi ways.

But Luke isnt.  Its this way that the PT supports the OT because Luke is very much like his father.  He is emotional, always looking ahead, somewhat easy to anger and frustrate.  He believes in love and forming relationships and wants to be heroic.  So the idea that Luke would bring about a new Jedi order based on his beliefs is easy to buy.

And Yoda destroying the force tree and, presumably the books, is a way for Yoda to finally admit he was wrong.  In Luke's own perceived failure, he turns away from HIS beliefs and now feels the Jedi have to end because neither the original teachings or his own can work.  Yoda is reinforcing to Luke that its not a failure of his teachings and he shouldn't go back to the past.

At least thats how it works in my head.

Kylo being Dark pulled to the light and Rey being light pulled to the dark works for me.  But her being a Skywalker works for me.  I think they didnt do that because they over-reacted to people saying TFA was  rehash.  But a rehash that works is better than a "new" direction that doesnt.  Rey and Kylo both being SKywalkers works for me because its a continuation of Anakin, the Chosen One.  His son who redeems him and his grandchildren who represent a new age of Force user and a new age for the "Jedi".

Rey rejecting Luke and teaming with Kylo while Kylo rejects Snoke and teams with Rey works if Snoke remains this unbelievably powerful entity.  And let the next film include Luke realizing this and helping them, completing their training so they can defeat Snoke.