AtlanticRiderFan

Did some math. (Numbers from CBC coronavirus tracker)
Death rate of Denmark= 273/6369*100= 4.3%
Death rate of Sweden=899/10483*100=8.6%
Sweden's death rate (to the nearest tenth) is exactly double that of Denmark's. How is that about the same?
And that approach is precisely how you overrun the healthcare system. The prolonging is so that the system can actually accommodate everyone who gets coronavirus. Otherwise, more people die because they can't receive proper treatment.

Ah. Vince has been to the Donald Trump School Of Business. Whoever was dumb enough to invest in the league or hold debts deserve what they got.

but muh 'conomy!!!
Better people should die and my investment doesn't lose money. 

And Sweden has more cases per capita than we do, and they have more ACTUAL deaths than we do. More deaths for country with a quarter of our population is a lot. Sweden is not a good model for fighting COVID.

Did some math. (Numbers from CBC coronavirus tracker)
Death rate of Denmark= 273/6369*100= 4.3%
Death rate of Sweden=899/10483*100=8.6%
Sweden's death rate (to the nearest tenth) is exactly double that of Denmark's. How is that about the same?
And that approach is precisely how you overrun the healthcare system. The prolonging is so that the system can actually accommodate everyone who gets coronavirus. Otherwise, more people die because they can't receive proper treatment.

to see what not to do?

Why are we even discussing this country?

And Sweden has more cases per capita than we do, and they have more ACTUAL deaths than we do. More deaths for country with a quarter of our population is a lot. Sweden is not a good model for fighting COVID.

And Sweden has more cases per capita than we do, and they have more ACTUAL deaths than we do. More deaths for country with a quarter of our population is a lot. Sweden is not a good model for fighting COVID.

And Sweden has more cases per capita than we do, and they have more ACTUAL deaths than we do. More deaths for country with a quarter of our population is a lot. Sweden is not a good model for fighting COVID.

Sweden is not successful. They are a country of 5 million with 10,000 cases & the mortality rate is nearly 9%. How is that successful? Their healthcare system will collapse like Italy. the government is playing with innocent lives. And Nicaragua? That is a country ripe with drug gangs & a generation ago was ruled by the Marxist & ruthless Sandinistas. 

So, you're saying because you own a business that your life is worth more than mine or anyone else here? That anyone young, old, sick or immunocompromised is on their last legs anyway like Bill O'Reilly said so why save them? That seems to be the common theme of your argument with every post. The almighty dollar vs lives. 

First person who tries to say "see no big deal" in my hearing is going to be verbally slapped upside the head for being a dumb ass. 

It is because of social distancing that the curve is flattening. We can't just stop our measures the moment the curve begins to flatten. Returning to normal by Easter or May would certainly make it get out of hand again. 6 months is the magic number for social distancing measures to successfully ensure that the healthcare system doesn't get overwhelmed. And that is provided that we are meeting our targets.

It is because of social distancing that the curve is flattening. We can't just stop our measures the moment the curve begins to flatten. Returning to normal by Easter or May would certainly make it get out of hand again. 6 months is the magic number for social distancing measures to successfully ensure that the healthcare system doesn't get overwhelmed. And that is provided that we are meeting our targets.

It is because of social distancing that the curve is flattening. We can't just stop our measures the moment the curve begins to flatten. Returning to normal by Easter or May would certainly make it get out of hand again. 6 months is the magic number for social distancing measures to successfully ensure that the healthcare system doesn't get overwhelmed. And that is provided that we are meeting our targets.

You're a real piece of work. Glad others here get to see it. 

1) I was not JUST arguing that Canada is not doing well. I have NEVER made that argument. I have argued that those who have said that the measures taken are unnecessary because it is media hype are ignoring the seriousness of the threat and not following the raw data on the exponential progression of the spread. You wanted to, in my mind, minimize the risk by saying the fatality rate was only 0.017%, according to your own data, and you were flat out wrong in reading your own stats. The lockdown is working, but where you and I may differ is that you act like the measures can now stop because it has worked and we are out of the woods. I see it getting worse before it gets better, based on where the curve is going now and based on how other countries who started feeling the effects of the virus months ahead of us have turned out. If it is starting to plateau, great, but that means we stay the course until the threat has really passed rather than saying back to work since we are on top of it today.
2) Given your accusation of me flip-flopping on arguments, thought I’d refresh your memory on your time frame for the passing of the virus in your opinion.  In the span of one day and 3 posts you went from Easter to start of May to June as the all clear period So you can’t even hold to your own story when it is questioned. 
3) Just for the record, I do have a Government job, as does my wife. We are both essential services, me for law enforcement and her in a health care being called to multiple hospitals to care for patients, including testing patients for Covid 19. So neither of us are sitting in our house collecting a cheque, we don’t get that option to work from home and are forced to still go into the community at large and expose ourselves every day to those who may her the virus, certainly her more than me. We’ve even moved out of our house and are living in cottage country so as to separate ourselves from our kids to protect them. She is a nervous wreck every day leaving the house, and because the governing health agency has decided masking is not essential for health care workers, and they won’t employ the use of the filtered masks, and won’t test every person who shows symptoms because they may not qualify (ie did not also travel), she has had to buy her own limited supply of 95 grade masks and filters out of her pocket. Not sure what she’ll do when she runs out. 

Because the strong and healthy can still pass it on to vulnerable people, even if they are not symptomatic. We also don't know everything about this virus yet, as it is new, so it is incredibly dangerous to put the general population at risk by not taking precautions. It could have more detrimental effects on healthy people than we realize. Right now when we don't have a vaccine is all the more reason to keep our distance. A vaccine will be developed eventually, so in the meantime, let's not let it spread exponentially. Yes, the closures are terrible for the economy, but I would rather millions of people not die or have irreversible damage done to their bodies.
You also keep saying that the flu is deadlier, but the coronavirus death toll has only spiked within the last two to three weeks. We don't know that it isn't going to be worse than the flu in a few months time. THIS is why we are being more cautious with coronavirus than with the flu.
 

Thanks, wanna-b. Glad we can be together in this, despite our obvious differences .  What I'd give for us to smack talk about football right now!

There is simply not enough evidence to show that this approach would work.  Why?  Because healthy people appear to be the biggest carriers.  
Maybe this is not what you’re saying with all these posts you are making, but it is what I am hearing:
“We can choose to live freer, riskier lives for ourselves.  We cannot choose that others live shorter lives for our benefit.  It takes a special kind of moral and spiritual blindness to fail to see the difference.”

Because the strong and healthy can still pass it on to vulnerable people, even if they are not symptomatic. We also don't know everything about this virus yet, as it is new, so it is incredibly dangerous to put the general population at risk by not taking precautions. It could have more detrimental effects on healthy people than we realize. Right now when we don't have a vaccine is all the more reason to keep our distance. A vaccine will be developed eventually, so in the meantime, let's not let it spread exponentially. Yes, the closures are terrible for the economy, but I would rather millions of people not die or have irreversible damage done to their bodies.
You also keep saying that the flu is deadlier, but the coronavirus death toll has only spiked within the last two to three weeks. We don't know that it isn't going to be worse than the flu in a few months time. THIS is why we are being more cautious with coronavirus than with the flu.
 

You didn't come out and say that coronavirus was no big deal, but you have definitely downplayed the severity of it, and you have implied that the measures being taken are too extreme. But those measures are what will prevent the healthcare system from being overrun, and in turn, people dying because they couldn't get proper treatment. And if the measures don't work, it's because not enough people listened. But if they do work, it wasn't an overreaction; it means we took proper precautions.

Because the strong and healthy can still pass it on to vulnerable people, even if they are not symptomatic. We also don't know everything about this virus yet, as it is new, so it is incredibly dangerous to put the general population at risk by not taking precautions. It could have more detrimental effects on healthy people than we realize. Right now when we don't have a vaccine is all the more reason to keep our distance. A vaccine will be developed eventually, so in the meantime, let's not let it spread exponentially. Yes, the closures are terrible for the economy, but I would rather millions of people not die or have irreversible damage done to their bodies.
You also keep saying that the flu is deadlier, but the coronavirus death toll has only spiked within the last two to three weeks. We don't know that it isn't going to be worse than the flu in a few months time. THIS is why we are being more cautious with coronavirus than with the flu.
 

You didn't come out and say that coronavirus was no big deal, but you have definitely downplayed the severity of it, and you have implied that the measures being taken are too extreme. But those measures are what will prevent the healthcare system from being overrun, and in turn, people dying because they couldn't get proper treatment. And if the measures don't work, it's because not enough people listened. But if they do work, it wasn't an overreaction; it means we took proper precautions.