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  1. 6 hours ago, mbrg said:

    You were going on about how difficult this NFL factor makes it for GM's, and yet, 16 of the first 18 picks are playing for the team that drafted them in year 1.  That's 89% with zero wait time.  So it seems like GM's have a pretty good handle on it.

    Those "head in the sand stats" were not stats at all.  They were 18 separate facts supporting an opinion.  Which fact do you feel is incorrect?

    NFL interest is a consideration, no different that a player's injury history and their score on the bench press.  And probably much less meaningful than a player's injury history considering how incredibly few of these players stick in the NFL.

    The NFL draft happens 10 days before the CFL draft, so GMs have pretty complete information on the level of interest the NFL has in a particular player.  If a player is taken in the first 3 or 4 rounds of the NFL draft, don't touch him.  If he's taken after that, you might want to take a late round flyer on him**.  Several will be signed as FA's in the week after the draft.  Very few of those will make their teams.  These are the only players where there is even the slightest mystery at all.

    That is the situation where we lost Mulamba.  I doubt he makes the Packers if they don't have a rash of injuries at LB during his audition, not because he's not good enough, just because as an undrafted player he isn't considered as valuable an asset in the NFL.  That's just the way it is.  But fortune favoured him and enough guys ended up in sick bay that he got a real shot rather than just being fodder, and he made the most of it.

     

    Not very many.  Most teams have a pretty good idea on the level of interest.  Some choose to use their late round picks to take a flyer on these guys rather than just get another camp body who might play some special teams for three year.  It's spending very little on a lottery ticket.  We did it with Bilukidi.  4th rounder(?) for him I think.  Other guys like this include David Onyemata, Christian Covington and Vaughn Martin.  No one used a high draft pick on these guys, because the NFL interest was obvious and predictable.

    ** Martin was drafted in the 5th round by Montreal after being drafted in the 4th round by San Diego (different years), a pretty good example of the idea mentioned above.

    Israel Idonije was drafted in the 2nd round by the Renegades.  That would have been a hard one to predict as the scouting was much less than it is today.  He just sent tapes out to NFL teams until he finally got a shot.

    Orlando Franklin wasn't drafted at all.  He was simply an NFL bound player who happened to have NI eligibility because of the ever-changing NI rules.  No one used a draft pick at all on him, because the NFL interest was obvious and predictable.

    There are examples of players that teams have gotten burned (pun possibilities upcoming) on, but there are usually factors beyond just NFL interest.  The BC Lions oddly chose to draft Danny Watkins in the first round even though the Eagles had used their first round pick on him.  I guess they figured he wouldn't make it, and in a way it turns out they were right.  He quit football entirely and focused on his true love, firefighting.

     

    Absolutely, and yet for whatever reason, the sky falleth for 

    6 hours ago, mbrg said:

    You were going on about how difficult this NFL factor makes it for GM's, and yet, 16 of the first 18 picks are playing for the team that drafted them in year 1.  That's 89% with zero wait time.  So it seems like GM's have a pretty good handle on it.

    Those "head in the sand stats" were not stats at all.  They were 18 separate facts supporting an opinion.  Which fact do you feel is incorrect?

    NFL interest is a consideration, no different that a player's injury history and their score on the bench press.  And probably much less meaningful than a player's injury history considering how incredibly few of these players stick in the NFL.

    The NFL draft happens 10 days before the CFL draft, so GMs have pretty complete information on the level of interest the NFL has in a particular player.  If a player is taken in the first 3 or 4 rounds of the NFL draft, don't touch him.  If he's taken after that, you might want to take a late round flyer on him**.  Several will be signed as FA's in the week after the draft.  Very few of those will make their teams.  These are the only players where there is even the slightest mystery at all.

    That is the situation where we lost Mulamba.  I doubt he makes the Packers if they don't have a rash of injuries at LB during his audition, not because he's not good enough, just because as an undrafted player he isn't considered as valuable an asset in the NFL.  That's just the way it is.  But fortune favoured him and enough guys ended up in sick bay that he got a real shot rather than just being fodder, and he made the most of it.

     

    Not very many.  Most teams have a pretty good idea on the level of interest.  Some choose to use their late round picks to take a flyer on these guys rather than just get another camp body who might play some special teams for three year.  It's spending very little on a lottery ticket.  We did it with Bilukidi.  4th rounder(?) for him I think.  Other guys like this include David Onyemata, Christian Covington and Vaughn Martin.  No one used a high draft pick on these guys, because the NFL interest was obvious and predictable.

    ** Martin was drafted in the 5th round by Montreal after being drafted in the 4th round by San Diego (different years), a pretty good example of the idea mentioned above.

    Israel Idonije was drafted in the 2nd round by the Renegades.  That would have been a hard one to predict as the scouting was much less than it is today.  He just sent tapes out to NFL teams until he finally got a shot.

    Orlando Franklin wasn't drafted at all.  He was simply an NFL bound player who happened to have NI eligibility because of the ever-changing NI rules.  No one used a draft pick at all on him, because the NFL interest was obvious and predictable.

    There are examples of players that teams have gotten burned (pun possibilities upcoming) on, but there are usually factors beyond just NFL interest.  The BC Lions oddly chose to draft Danny Watkins in the first round even though the Eagles had used their first round pick on him.  I guess they figured he wouldn't make it, and in a way it turns out they were right.  He quit football entirely and focused on his true love, firefighting.

     

    Absolutely, and yet for whatever reason, the sky falleth for some.

    You know you have a hell of a time reading between the lines...Walter's has stated how tough the draft has become.Yes players have shaken lose but how many teams passed over players because they weren't sure,only to be picked by a team that could afford to waste a pick....the facts no matter how you twist it  is that a huge component of where a player is drafted is based on if a player can stick in the NFL. 

  2. 1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

    I guess Canadians are such a negative for you that you should just watch the NFL. What you are proposing will never happen. So quit worrying about it. The CFL has more other pressing issues than worrying about how many Canadians start.

    That makes things hard to predict. You can do all your research… that’s the tough part of our draft. Not only are you evaluating whether they are good enough to play in our league, you are also then evaluating whether they are going to come, what their interest is, and when are you going to see them.

    “You see it all the time where you draft a kid and he never plays a down for you.”  Direct quote from Kyle Walter's. Yes it's all made up....

  3. 1 hour ago, mbrg said:

     

    So, once again, the entire first two rounds* of the 2016 CFL draft...

    ...this problem is not real.

     

    *there is an argument that Garrett Waggoner could be included in that list, which would add yet another player playing for the team that drafted him

    OK once again read what Walter's has stated....how many player fell in the draft because teams were not sure if they would come to the CFL...how many were drafted later on as a throw away. This is not made up despite your repeated head in the sand stats.

  4. 1 hour ago, bearpants said:

    This would be my biggest concern about making significant ratios changes (which BTW, I think is a topic for discussion that is not even in the room, let alone on the table)... I would hate to see football in Canada at the grassroots level start to disappear...

    Well it's related to the draft and the difficulty teams are having tracking which top Cdn will even dress in the CFL....and the price they pay when they do...if you read Walter's article this is not going away.How you fix it without some type of  change in ratio flexibility is the question. Hopefully most posters are right and this isn't a big problem. 

  5. 1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

    What has to give? Nothing has to give.

    Well let's see...you have a league that doesnt make a bunch paying out more for players who are guaranteed positions and a much smaller pool to draw from ...it's not rocket surgery...?

  6. 9 minutes ago, BigBlue said:

    We can reduce the crapshoot by moving our draft even further back of the NFL camp .... to say 2 weeks before training camp/ rookie camp opens .... whoever signs by then has signed  .... AND THEN ... hold an additional draft of players who have been drafted or signed to a tryout, thus fairly distributing those rights ... a lot of the agonizing decisions will disappear

    The only problem with that is that a team like Calgary (stacked with Cdns)will take a flyer on a top rated Cdn who may not end up here in a later round if there is an additional draft. But these are definitely steps in the right direction.

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    Edited by bb1

    16 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

    That makes no sense. Think about it. There'd be no Canadians at all.

    Hmmm when your required to have a minimum number of Cdns on your team I think your still have to play them no? Just opens up where they have to play to give teams more flexibility. Any way somethings gonna have to  give because the CFL draft is killing teams chances for a fair rebuild when there is so much uncertainty over whether a top Cdn will ever play in the CFL. It's become a total crapshoot. And even if he ends up here  in 2 or 3 years you lose the really good ones to free agency....

  8. 11 minutes ago, Mike said:

    I wouldn't shake my head at the entire team. Having been there live, I'd shake my head at a guy like Nic Petan who was a -2 with a 17% success rate in the circle. I'd shake my head at a guy like Mark Stuart who was literally almost single handedly responsible for 3 goals. I'd shake my head at Connor Hellebuyck for letting in a couple of softies.

    But no way am I going to shake my head at a guy like Josh Morrissey who went +3 with the game winning goal in a buttload of icetime ... as a rookie.

    Our team isn't bad. It's very skilled. It's just being sunk by a bunch of weak links.

    Well I think the point is we have to start be critical of weak coaching and possibly a weak Gm. If Chevy rewards PM with a multi year contract after this type of year where is the accountability? If he does should not Chevy be accountable as well if PM fails?

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    Edited by bb1

    On 16/03/2017 at 2:37 PM, SpeedFlex27 said:

    Why have any Canadians then?

    Cause it's the CFL??? Doesn't mean they have to start no matter what though does it? Read what our own Bombers Gm has to say about the draft.  It's very tough on CFL teams to do this balancing act...

  14. 5 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

    Take Chevy with him. And Hellebuyck.

    Well I'm not ready to quit on Hellenbuyck his defense is brutal at times.He could  of used a decent vet goalie to help him out too...I remember Johnathon Quick having a tough up and down couple of years.. goalies you have to be patient with...but throwing him to the wolves rests on Chevy and Pomo..

  16. 8 minutes ago, pigseye said:

    Their hooped because they are tied to most of those contracts until 2018-19 while they wait for the prospects to develop. They still won't have a starting goalie and six capable defence men and only two forward lines producing any points. Who else is to blame for the product on the ice and managing the salary if not the GM?

    You can add in if Chevy resigns Maurice to a multi year contract this off-season then he should follow if Maurice fails.But it won't happen cause Chipman has stated in public that he thinks Chevy is a genius....besides winning an AHL cup what has he won to warrant that thinking is a head scratcher. ? He is great at being patient I will give him that.

  21. 5 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

    Thought they've done that all season long. Other teams do it too usually during the 1st minute of PP.

    Usually in a 1-1 game with 10 min to go no most great coaches think about making sure you don't give up an easy one at the end of a game....esp shorthanded which is a backbreaker...

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