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Yeah but..........IF he comes up ,wil Osh give him a shot???

Yes, was our QB the highest paid? Nope. Was AH making 250k a season. Nope. I have zero issues with BO being the highest paid RB. It's all about by how much, and whether we have that luxury.

I bet if players had made more plays from 2022-2024 we would have 4 cups as well. My bet is even more likely than your bet to be accurate. Despite coaching let downs we were a play or two from winning two of those games for sure. No coach would have overcome the ZC injury. We had nothing behind him. Unless one has the incredibly far fetched idea that Jake Dolegala Or Wilson was going to lead us to victory. The last Grey Cup went down the crapper when Collaros did. He was the only QB on our roster capable of winning that game. That's just the reality of it.

I agree that in years past we had ample opportunity to be better at giving young guys playing time. We cruised for many years easily winning our division. Could have still done so and played the youngsters more.
However, I find this argument to be completely without merit this year. This year we struggled early and were fighting for a playoff spot right to the last week. We couldn't roll the dice on rookies or we may have missed the playoffs in a GC hosting year. We've heard lots about Smith/Shay not playing. Haven't heard much about anyone else. Our LBers actually played well this year. We should have sat them and played rookies in a year where one more loss and we are out of the playoffs? C'mon. That's not a valid thought process. In the past, yes, this year nope.
Whether you like it or not the ALs game was an exhibition game. Both teams sat a great deal of starters. Did both teams play to win? Certainly. Was the talent level of those competing the highest level. Nope.
I think the Bombers have done a real good job developing NAT talent. Not sure what you are seeing that suggests otherwise? Some hit and some miss, and none of it was due to playing time or lack thereof. Who are these NAT talents that we failed to develop and went somewhere else and found success? Name one.
We've seen a few fringe NAT guys leave after their first contract due to playing time, but these aren't difference maker players. The other guys we've lost it's been solely about the benjamins. We wouldn't pay them what others were willing to do so. This fabrication that we lose good NATs for lack of playing time in year one is nonsense.  Playing time in year one literally doesn't hurt their CFL careers whatsoever. They sign 3 year deals at a stipulated salary. Years 2 and 3 are where they need to be playing and we have been very good about getting anyone who is starting quality their playing time by the time they hit FA.  Dobson and Ford for instance, our big FA losses last year barely saw the field in their rookie years. They still parlayed their successful first contracts into big money second contracts.

I think that our recruitment in general has been very poor over the past several years. I think the only period of time we saw good recruitment with this regime was when Rigmaiden was here. Other than that not a whole lot. Look at our depth. It's pathetic. 

I don't think we have to fire him. He's on a year to year contract I believe. We can let him go gracefully by letting his contract simply expire.

It is a tiny sample size in what was an exhibition game. Further to that, he wasn't high end by any stretch of the imagination. However, he did show nicely for a rookie. Who would you have taken out to put him in? What makes you believe he constituted any kind of upgrade? That's what we are talking about here. He was rostered all season, so what we are talking about is starting reps. I didn't see anything that led me to believe he deserved starting reps all season.

BOLO? That's the guy you want to say that we held back? Have you looked at his performance since he left here? We had Americans in the way? No....we had Americans that were better and gave us a better chance of winning. You guys criticize Osh for 8-9 NAT starters but want every position a NAT backs up for them to start over an IMP. Makes no sense. Our high drafted guys were Shay and Smith, what leads you to believe they were better than any of our starting LBers? Show your work. 

Our receiving corps was as weak an any of the crap groups I can remember over the past 40 years. It really can't be overstated how much help we need there. With all due respect to Nic Demski he should not be a 1 receiver.
We need to slap the guys who recruit and/or sign them. 

Hogan has to be toasted for sure and Walters has to show up for work this offseason. 
I strongly feel we should have fired Walters, both to change the dynamic of the GM/HC and because he oversaw the biggest bleed off of talent i can remember in a 3 year span. That being said I am a forgiving man if 2015-2019 Walters reappears
I hate our salary structure over the past few years and hope we remedy that by dumping some vast overpays we have. BO, WJ, and ZC to be particular. Gonna get a lot of hate for this but I hate the BO contract and I think our team has seen a vast decline since the BO and ZC numbers skyrocketed. We cant dump Zach's contract so I think a very unpopular moving on from BO is in order.
 
 

It has become apparent that by retaining Walters that Miller may be our biggest problem football operations wise.

It has become apparent that by retaining Walters that Miller may be our biggest problem football operations wise.

It has become apparent that by retaining Walters that Miller may be our biggest problem football operations wise.

First of all citing Dinwiddie as an example is not really applicable. Pinball was hired and given the GM title in name only, He is a figurehead. His GMing is pretty much completely hands off. Murphy/Dinwiddie were doing it all for years and that was well known. There is no way a team can function with two guys having equal say. One guy has to be the bottom line or else you will miss out on more players than you get. 
Who they bring in is 100% final say. They sign the guys. I'm not excusing how MOS used the roster he was provided, I am simply stating the fact that some guys that were well beyond their best before were given contracts to come back or extended. That's 100% the GM's decision to make. As a GM, if you have a HC that you know is not using the talent you are providing properly then you remedy that in the offseason by taking the obstacles out of his own way. No one can force Walters to sign JT to three extensions and no one else can register that contract with the league, as an example. This isn't me trying to defend MOS, just putting the reality out there to everyone who thinks that getting rid of him solves all our problems. It doesn't. Both men need to go. They were both equally responsible for JT seeing the field this season. Walters is the bartender who is giving a drunk guy another beer when he knows he should cut him off. If you have a coach like MOS who is deathly loyal beyond reason you cannot enable him to the fault of the team.

HC has final say on how talent is assembled, GM has final say on what talent is available to the HC. That's how it works on our team, and every other team out there. Our lack of talent is 100% on the GM. We sit here and grouse about guys like Jake Thomas, but it is Kyle Walters that keeps putting contracts in front of him. Every offseason is an opportunity for the GM to get rid of or keep talent. The HC does not have any form of final say on the roster in that time. It is 100% the GM's job and responsibility as to who will be out there come June. If you know you have a player that you should move on from, even if he is a coaches favorite, it is 100% (and this can't even be disputed) up to the GM to have a tough conversation with a player and the coach who loves him and then swing the axe. It amazes me that you would think otherwise.  During the season, it is tougher on the GM to do that for sure, but at the end of the day he is the boss and the HC is the employee. If that is not the way it works in Winnipeg then Walters isn't doing his job properly.
This isn't some new phenomenon, for crissakes Walters signed Collaros to a 2 year extension the year after he clearly looked cooked. Is that on MOS? Not a chance. We've been talking about Thomas for the better part of 3 years now. Walters re-upped him twice. Walters hands out the contracts not MOS.

This is exactly how I see it. I'm not happy that MOS showed far too much loyalty, but I am also not happy that Walters didn't do his job and save MOS from himself at times. IF MOS fist pounding changed Walters mind on personnel when he felt strongly the other way then he made the conscious choice to not do his job properly.

This is exactly how I see it. I'm not happy that MOS showed far too much loyalty, but I am also not happy that Walters didn't do his job and save MOS from himself at times. IF MOS fist pounding changed Walters mind on personnel when he felt strongly the other way then he made the conscious choice to not do his job properly.

Jonathan Jones sucked when we did play him and was reportedly no better in the dressing room. I get you wanna defend him because you really built him up as our next Bighill...but the reality is he was a swing and a miss by Walters not MOS.
We got enuff reasons to not shed a tear if MOS leaves but JJ isn't one of them. Our biggest mistake was keeping him around too long when he became a cancer

GM has final say. If Walters didn't like the marine he could have released him, He's the guy that makes the call to the league office. Again, we are striving to let Walters off the hook around here. GM has final say on who is available to any coach. Just a cold hard fact. I look at all the complaints about who was rostered and still see nobody better behind them with maybe the exception of Jake Thomas.
If Walters stays I hope WM gives him a very short leash because he has been Waldo for two years now. Walters CAN be a very good GM, he needs to show up to work tho. That being said, I hope we clean house.

GM has final say. If Walters didn't like the marine he could have released him, He's the guy that makes the call to the league office. Again, we are striving to let Walters off the hook around here. GM has final say on who is available to any coach. Just a cold hard fact. I look at all the complaints about who was rostered and still see nobody better behind them with maybe the exception of Jake Thomas.
If Walters stays I hope WM gives him a very short leash because he has been Waldo for two years now. Walters CAN be a very good GM, he needs to show up to work tho. That being said, I hope we clean house.

Sorry you are butt hurt that someone doesn't believe completely unsubstantiated rumors from an anonymous internet poster. I believe someone putting their actual name to something, and citing their sources, 100000x more than a guy who claims to have inside access but is wrong more often than he is right when he cites it. You have not given me, or any other person here, any reason to believe you with anything more than a "trust me bro". You might have these amazing connections to the team you brag about, but you just as easily might be full of ****. Both are likely, with based on the history of team forums, the latter being 100x more likely. You are an anonymous person on a fan forum claiming to have inside the locker room knowledge. If you think that I am alone on my skepticism over your claims you are mistaken. I am just a member willing to put my skepticism out there. Don't take it personal, it's just that you have provided nothing to back up your insider knowledge claims therefore we have to go off your accuracy level when citing it and it isn't great.

Yep, that being said we need to add two stud NATs imo.

Seems to be for sure. I don't think we replace Collaros this year because there doesn't seem to be many options and he has a large portion of his salary guaranteed. However, I think our QB room behind him is getting a massive shake up. I don't see Streveler or Wilson back.

We can go two directions this offseason. A partial rebuild or a full tear down. There is a big difference. The full rebuild depends on management/coaching change imo.

Sorry you are butt hurt that someone doesn't believe completely unsubstantiated rumors from an anonymous internet poster. I believe someone putting their actual name to something, and citing their sources, 100000x more than a guy who claims to have inside access but is wrong more often than he is right when he cites it. You have not given me, or any other person here, any reason to believe you with anything more than a "trust me bro". You might have these amazing connections to the team you brag about, but you just as easily might be full of ****. Both are likely, with based on the history of team forums, the latter being 100x more likely. You are an anonymous person on a fan forum claiming to have inside the locker room knowledge. If you think that I am alone on my skepticism over your claims you are mistaken. I am just a member willing to put my skepticism out there. Don't take it personal, it's just that you have provided nothing to back up your insider knowledge claims therefore we have to go off your accuracy level when citing it and it isn't great.