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I think it's also the fact that Rene got beat out for his job.

Rourke is going to the NFL, but even a Vernon Adams earning his full season cheque with them loses them cap room. Heck, even a backup is going to cost more than Rourke did this year.

Singh got rooked.

Completely support abortion rights and believe they should be constitutionally protected, completely support gun control but NOT what the current government is putting forward. Just because someone doesn't agree with how the government is implementing something like gun control currently does not make them anti-gun control. That is what is completely laughable. A person can agree with an ideology but not the implementation the government chooses to go forward on the same ideology. To suggest otherwise is ridiculously myopic. When single shot .22s are being outlawed then the gun control legislation needs to be looked at. I am in favor or gun control for handgun and assault weapons. The "plinker" is not either. Apparently it is laughable to be in favor of some progressive ideologies and still be right leaning. SMH. Scares the far left to hear that for many, in fact most, the economy is just as important as progressivism is to them.

A significant majority of those who consider themselves right, or centre right, also agree with a lot of those same things. The devil is in the details though. I fully support gun control, I DO NOT support what Trudeau is doing with gun control. I fully support abortion, as do every CONS supporter I know, I fully support climate change mitigation...I do not believe a carbon tax is how we get there, I would love to see homelessness eradicated, I don't believe a super heated housing market and massive inflation as the solution. You are speaking in generalities, as if the right opposes all these things and the fact of the matter is that only the extreme right does. The vast majority of the right-centre right is in favor of all these things to some extent, the disagreement is mainly how we get there. It is boogeyman politics of the highest order to suggest that every CONS voter is an anti-abortionist, polluting, rich troglodyte....just as it is boogeyman politics to say that progressive agendas will lead to communism. Both are stupid exaggerations by those who can't see that Conservatism, Liberalism, and Progressivism all have a place on our political spectrum.

There is no feasible and workable centre/left coalition. Left is left, and for it to remain so it will never have the support of centre. The only way you get a LIB/NDP coalition is if the current NDP abandon the unions. Not going to happen. Sure...that's what wealth distribution means to you perhaps, not what others in the far left have in mind though and that is what scares us centrists. No the centre is not getting more progressive. The centre is being dragged to the left to be sure, but make no mistake too far left and the whole thing will go kaflooey. Don't mistake acceptance of progressive politics as unconditional endorsement by the centrists. There are a ton of displaced centrists right now who have not parked their vote yet, I can tell you that. A crap load of them who voted Liberal and are not happy with the LIbs heading further and further left. Centrists do not like the far left any more than they like the far right.

Most progressive don't understand what centre is. Centre is definitely NOT wealth distribution, that is left of centre. The problem with progressives is that they are trying to claim center as their baseline, and that simply is not true. You can try to claim it, probably will continue to claim it, but the fact of the matter is that it is not centrist. You don't get to move the goal posts.

The NDP are ran by labor, no merger will come until those ties are cut. There is only so far left or right the average voter is willing to go and it is why the NDP will never gain power federally. Even Trudeau's own MPs are telling him to start moving back to centre. The majority of Canadians are not progressives despite the popular belief on this forum. The majority of Canadians walk the centre of the political spectrum in this country. Maybe that will change in the next 15-20 years when millenials start voting in numbers, but right now it certainly isn't the case. Most Canadians want a healthy sprinkling from each side of the political spectrum. Any vote to the extreme left or right is usually just a protest vote. The Liberals have generationally held the centre line, and it is why they have spent so much time in government. Trudeau has veered off centre and if not for the CONS taking a hard right turn with even more speed than Trudeau's left turn, the Liberals would be paying for it in the polls. In fact, they are paying for it in the polls the last few months. People aren't happy with the Liberals, and they aren't happy with the opposition. Polarization is to blame for a lot of it. Heading any further left for the Liberals would be a very big mistake.

Yes, every and any player leaving for the NFL in their option year window has his rights retained by the CFL club they are departing until the end of his existing CFL contract.

NFL window doesn't close until Feb 8, so the fact he hasn't gotten a work out offer yet really means nothing. May just mean that no interested NFL team has any scouts available for the next week or so to conduct the workout. Until that Jan. 8 deadline passes...be worried about losing Shoen. The longer a player has to wait to get his workout does show how badly any team wants him though, so that's a bright spot I suppose.

I doubt Buck is willing to wait at least 3 more years, possibly longer. Seems to me that Buck just may be comfortable right now and not looking for a HC position at the moment.

I wouldn't assume that. HCs are rarely chosen on the basis of what their team did in one game. Corey Mace will have to demonstrate a vision, a plan to implement that vision, and that he is a team player and leader of men. Also, HCs are asked to provide a list of guys they have spoken to that have agreed to join their staffs should they get the job.

I agree. I could see the tag of Pres. going to Walters with a bump in pay and a dual role with one of our Asst GMs, or MOS becoming more active in the front office. To me this is the most likely scenario when Wade rides off into the sunset.

Yes, exactly. Farhan was also telling anyone who would listen that Walters was leaving us to take over his CIS school's athletic director position a couple years ago. He is, as always, throwing crap at the wall to see if it sticks. That could be. Wade has made it pretty public that he would like to step aside. Meh....President is a go between team management and the board of directors. Walters would likely be very good at it. It's about vision, and selling it to the bean counters on the board and then making sure it happens. Wally was very successful when he was in a dual role of Pres/GM of BC, I am sure that Walters could have equal success.

The thought, or should I say lack of thought, process over at Riderfans was that the Bombers losing the Grey Cup and MOS not being extended would lead to players and coaches exiting stage left as other teams picked up our entire coaching staff. Currently the suggestion is that Marty Costello is ripe for the picking and would move laterally to them to take on their OL tire fire. Today they have discovered that most of their good pending FAs have snubbed extensions in favor of testing FA. lmao. Sankey, Dean et al, have apparently informed the RIders of their intention to do so. TIRE FIRE!! They are going to be worse than last year. EDIT: Just a moment ago the same poster that stated that our extension of ZC for 3 years is a big mistake, has now doubled down and stated that MOS for 3 years is also a mistake. SMH. You can't make up stuff to illustrate how delusional a fan base they are that is more golden than that. There is no sane reasoning as to why the Bombers would not lock up MOS. Even if the team completely aged out and started losing in a couple years, I could think of no better CFL coach to begin a rebuild with.

It could turn out to be true, but based on what we know factually thus far the odds of it being a mistake are very low. Especially when you look at the state of QBing around the league. If Collaros, the b2b MOP, wants a 3 year deal you would have to be absolutely idiotic not to jump on that. If you are signing players based on the worst case scenarios instead of what they have demonstrated then that could explain 4 cups in 100 years. There is absolutely no reason to believe that ZC doesn't have 3 years of high level QBing left in him.

I am guessing this quote is from Rider Stronson?

Of course that is true, for ALL coaches...even Lapo. I don't give two figs whether Collaros, the two time defending MOP of our league, is having an off game or not IF we are going to call a play where a QB is taking a shot down the field at that point of time then it is incredibly stupid to not have ZC be the one taking that shot. We have watched ZC have poor games before only to make an incredible throw to close out his opponent. For that reason, I simply refuse to believe that this was the primary read for that play and maintain that Prukop made a terrible read and decision.

Twitter has lost money 6 out of the last 8 years and hasn't seen a profitable Q in almost 2.5 years. Not saying that what he is doing with Twitter is right, but it wasn't some golden goose that he ran into the ground either.

Maybe they should put the stadium there and have games at noon. Someone get Ambrosie on the phone....

Hush up you....you are not that far behind...lmao.

Consider this, the same nutbars saying this at Riderfans are also saying we made a mistake signing Collaros to a 3 year deal. I just find it rich that a team without an OL, or QB would be criticizing a team for extending an MOP QB, and a CFLPA all star OG. Their GM would be tripping over his left nut to sign any of the players we have extended thus far.

Yep who needs players like Biggie, Neufeld, and Jefferson and eventually Bryant, and Hardrick. CFL all stars....who needs em. That is not even debatable. He is a top 5 player in this league outside of QB. Willie is in his prime, Neufeld and Bighill were CFLPA all stars. It's stupid commentary on their end. Even if they regress they are still better than most teams will field this year at those same positions.

The 2nd receiver was poor, unless this was a designed run/pass option and the receivers went in scramble mode when Prukop didn't run, but we don't know that so let's assume the 2nd receiver was a mistake. Even so, coverage was tight on Ellingson and the read should have taken him away from that throw, on that down, at that stage of the game. Prukop forced it, as a lot of 3rd stringers tend to do when the coach gives them the green light to throw.

Even a FG at that time changes everything. Makes it a two score game. Toronto has to approach it completely differently, it make the play clock the enemy for Toronto who then needs to drive the field in a much quicker manner with a green QB. I have no doubt in my mind that if that drive ends up in points we win the game. So you want to take the ball out of his hands on a long ball and give it to your 3rd string QB, who has thrown a handful of passes all year, because ZC isn't sharp. I am no professional coach but there is absolutely no one on my team I want throwing that ball other than Collaros, and if Collaros can't for some reason, then I want Brown doing it. Zach for sure would have made a better read, and a better throw. There is no doubt about that in my mind.