Zontar
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6 minutes ago, tacklewasher said:
So, instead of a discussion about Warren, this thread gets derailed yet again. Bleh.
I'm curious where her supporters will go. Some are closer to Sanders in terms of belief's, but I'd think there is a strong urge to just get Biden and be done, as that seems inevitable. Course the same could have been said years ago with Clinton, and we see how that worked out.
She has a choice. Support the guy who she said a woman can't be president ( Sanders). Support the business as usual career swamper who doesn't beleive in anything (Biden). What a choice.
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7 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:
There is a lot of space between "everyone" and "you".
It's the default argument of "progressives". Every. Single. Time.
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2 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:
Yeah, I don't think anyone on here buys that crap.
You are cherrypicking the absolute extreme and holding that standard to all progressives...
Every critic of open borders immigration must be a racist. Critics of Drag Time Story Hour must hate homosexuals.
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7 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said:
People fighting for gender and racial equality is a fad now...? Cool. Feel free to go play in traffic.
Race and gender do not exist. They are patriarchal constructs to maintain power something...something..
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2 minutes ago, do or die said:
Sure, except the latest identify politics fad.....is Trump and his MAGA BS, fuelled by Alt Right fear and hate mongering....
Difference being he can be voted out . Profound society changes are just thrust upon society and called "progress" no matter what the outcome.
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3 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Why does the bits someone has between their legs and their choice of gender identity matter one iota to you?
That's the only ideology here. Their life their choices who the **** cares?
It's not that progressives have cornered the market on logic, it's that regressives have completely rejected it.
When society is constantly re engineered to accommodate the latest identity politics fad, no matter how potentially damaging or ill conceived it ceases to be a personal , private opinion since as members of a society we all have a stake in what happens next.
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12 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Ignorance and small mindedness. The hallmarks of trump supporters.
Terrified of the world moving forward.
When progressives have to face up to the absurdities of their own newly discovered cherished beliefs "critical thinking" , "logic" and "science" goes out the window and it's reduced to point and splutter personal attacks.
Pointing out inconsistencies and absurdiities in ideologies is fair game. Just don't try and sell people that "progressives" have cornered the market on logic and morality....when it fails so clearly on many facets like so many other ideologies.
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4 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Ignorance and small mindedness. The hallmarks of trump supporters.
Terrified of the world moving forward.
When progressives have to face up to the absurdities of their own newly discovered cherished beliefs "critical thinking" , "logic" and "science" goes out the window and it's reduced to point and splutter personal attacks.
Pointing out inconsistencies and absurdiities in ideologies is fair game. Just don't try and sell people that "progressives" have cornered the market on logic and morality....when it fails so clearly on many facets like so many other ideologies.
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Remembering when Trump was terrified of Avenatti, Kamala, Buttigieg, Sanders, Warren...
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Lol. "Orwellian" like:
Gender is a construct.
Men can have periods and give birth
Women can have penises and be fathers.
Race is a construct. But some races need protection .
Race and gender don't actually exist but racism and sexism must be destroyed.
Pro science and so intellectual too.
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6 minutes ago, Jacquie said:
Seeking asylum is legal immigration process but that didn't stop ICE from throwing them in detention centres.
Like every other administration before him. Breaking immigration law has consequences.
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8 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
How are his tariffs and trade wars free market capitalism exactly? That's government interference in free markets... economic nationalism and free market capitalism are incompatible in the current world.
As far as enforcing immigration law.... there are plenty of examples of them overstepping their bounds on that one. You can enforce the law without separating families and jailing children. But hey, they're brown people amirite?
Or, you know, just obey the law and go through the legal immigration process like other people, amirite?
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21 minutes ago, do or die said:
Well, people voted for Trump and his one-liners
Economic nationalism and immigration reform. Which delivered him Penn , Mich, Wisconsin and thus the Whitehouse.
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5 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:
Yeah, cant decide, eh?
His establishing of a Department of Misogyny and Racism was certainly controversial .
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2 minutes ago, do or die said:
And no, I don't believe that it is simply a person virtue contest vs Trump. Because, pretty well anyone would beat him in those qualities.
I simply laid out what Biden has to do tacitly. It is also only one half of the equation . Needs the VP slot to actually provide some zip and the attributes I detailed in an earlier post.
Simply read the thing, and you won't have to bother interpreting what I supposedly am thinking.
Then if it isn't "vote for me, I'm not like Trump" then what else is there for Biden to campaign on ?
Identity politics, job killing climate stuff, big government goodies that raise taxes won't solve the divide and win him an election.
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2 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:
Racist, serial sexual abuser, rapist, misogynist, moron, criminal. Which qualities do you like the most?
Leave Bloomberg out of this. He dropped out.
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2 minutes ago, do or die said:
I was not assigning qualities to Biden. It was simply referring to what he had to do (as politician) to have some electoral success. Too bad you were too busy with the drive-by, there.
Not a drive by at all. If you think Biden can win on a personal virtue contest vs Trump,it's not so clear cut. Scrutiny of Biden will be ramped up far beyond what's going on now.
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8 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:
Went over your head didnt it? Dont blame you for being testy about that given your support of a guy with...ahem, questionable beliefs.
Free market capitilism, economic nationalism, enforcing immigration law, yeah, Trump is an absolute maniac.God save us all.
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1 minute ago, do or die said:
The Biden people must read my posts.
Listening to Joe this morning.....all kinds of about "decency, honour, character, diversity. teamwork" You know, the stuff that Trump lacks.Yup, "above the fray". Or if you prefer,....Make America Nice Again.
Those wonderful qualities he has were certainly on display his entire political life and most recently in business dealings in the Ukraine. Scrutiny will only intensify.
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2 hours ago, do or die said:
Misplaced affection. Actual (angry) Republican voters came through with a protest vote.
Lots to protest against. Establishment was betraying them by fielding business as usual candidates .
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1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said:
This is what terrifies trump. He’s a racist president running against someone who, for whatever reason, can excite the black vote. And those republican voters sickened by trump can see a way towards voting for Biden. It really should be a land slide for Biden
Even if he has some gaffes or forgets something or baubles a line, it’s not like he’s running against a great orator like clinton It’s trump, who has basic issues with the English language
Majority of American blacks vote Democrat. Stop the presses.
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6 minutes ago, do or die said:
Well, nobody really wanted to "get behind" morons like Jeb Bush, Rubio, Ted Cruz, Ben Carson, et al.
But party establishment did . Jeb was darling 1. Rubio 2.
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49 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Trumptards will vote for dear leader no matter what, lots of others will stay home.
Weird because in 2016 the GOP essentially ordered party members not to vote for Trump and get behind Bush or Rubio and we're ignored
. Democrats order it's candidates and members not to support Sanders and get behind Biden and they all pretty much fall in line and obey.
Talk about 'tards?
US Politics
in General Discussion
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With the exception of less than a handful issues ( which Trump talks about but doesn't actually do anything) establishment Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin.
If people are expecting real change with Biden prepare to be bitterly disappointed. The notion of "if we could just beat Trump" ain't it's all cracked up to be.