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but ultimately, if a team so completely fails to show up it reflects more on the coaches than the players. obviously the players played badly... but why did they do that? Gotta blame the coaching first and foremost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx32b5igLwA

are you including the entire year or just looking at how things went towards the end of the season? Because to the start of the year it was horrendous, but it did get better as the year went on, and the sooner Swiston pushes Morley to the sidelines the better it will be.Saw a much improved running game as the season wore on as well. Looking at where they started the year and where they finished only a fool would dismiss the dramatic improvement.

Well if you're any indication you're all such raging homers convinced that Barker is god and Milovich is Jesus to start with I doubt anything changes no matter what happens in a preseason game.

pfffft in preseason? Burke flat out said that they didn't have any of their protection schemes in. Never mind that the idea behind taking pierce out was just the fear of him getting hurt which is an entirely different set of problems. But if you think the bombers o-line isn't getting there then you weren't paying attention last season.

I think the o-line is coming along actually.

yep this game should at very least give some perspective to bomber fans about how preseason can look.

which I always assumed was because he was buddies with Geroy but maybe he's got more friends there...

This will come across badly to most people as well but I much prefer Glenns attitude to Hanks as well. Glenn is just the quiet even keeled guy, but I'd take that over how much of a phony Burris is. Burris talks a great game... until something goes poorly then he pouts and whines and points fingers. I tell you I can appreciate the local sports team a LOT more with Burris gone.

Is that a way of saying Burris is a better athlete and is more capable of physically imposing himself on a game? cause yeah, obviously. But Hank is still as big a choker as Glenn. Burris may have much higher peaks, but the lows are every bit as low and show up at the exact same times.

Sure I can. There were some damned good stamps teams that Burris crapped the bed for in the playoffs. Hell that's the biggest reason I have Durant ahead of him, Durant often beat him in the playoffs in Calgary. Burris got one Grey Cup out of a lot of good stamps teams, even Glenn has a couple grey cup appearances to his credit and he may well have won one as well if not for a broken arm in 2007.

To me the qbs in the CFL go like this currently: Ray, Calvillo, Lulay, Durant, toss up between Tate/Glenn and Burris, Pierce, whoever the esks settle on. Burris can look great, but he's inconsistent and as much of a choker as Glenn is. There's a reason the stamps traded him.

Just telling you how they think. One of the things that happens when you go to university in Western Manitoba and then move to Calgary is that you meet a lot of rider fans and learn how they think about that team... it's really something. and honestly, I think you might be selling Durant short a bit. I have a hard time putting Burris definitively ahead of him, but then again I don't think a lot of Burris and I don't think Durant is THAT far behind Lulay either, just that the Lions are a better team. Hell I even forgot about the stamps... Durant gotta be ahead of those guys cause Tate still has a lot of prove and Glenn is Glenn.

But rider fans consider Durant to be a top teir qb, comparable with the Rays and Calvillos and Lulays, they consider their 0-line to be one of the best in the league, they consider their rb one of the best, they consider their d-line, especially with chick one of the best. I don't think you understand just how biased they are... Remember these are the fans that used to crow that Szarka was just as good as Mike Sellers... Hell I remember in about 2003 a rider fan telling me that Nealon Greene was just as good as Khari Jones!

you're missing green coloured glasses. the homers in that province always think their team is the greatest team in existence.

and even before the fumble there was an atrocious missed tackle by someone.

lotta sloppy plays... #PreseasonProblems

Do we need a place to talk about it? Yeah it's a couple teams no one gives a damn about but it's still Friday Night Football dammit.

The problem is there were what ifs no matter what we did... I would have been OK getting Glenn but that also brings up the question of what Calgary feels about the situation there and is it worth paying whatever the price is just for Kevin Glenn? We have been down that road before and while it was a mistake to dump Glenn with nothing left he's still not the guy you break the bank to acquire. Ultimately this teams qb situation will only be fixed internally so we might as well just keep hoping one of the backups has the right stuff.

Yeah I'm not prepared to say that the qbs they brought in to back up Pierce aren't good options yet just because of one preseason game that turned out like ****. Plenty of preseason heroes have flopped when it mattered. I would suggest that Hall did OK playing in the situation he did. Lots of backups all over the field when he was out there, Goltz completed his passes when there's lots of backups around... Still time for those choices to be vindicated, it's continuing the drama with Pierce that is the issue and that to me all comes back to Burke being so dead set on Pierce.

sigh... that woulda been the ideal course of action for the offseason...

yeah that's part of the frustration. If we have to pull the guy cause he's taken a few hits then how in the world can we expect him to lead this team?

If that were true you wouldn't see certain players perform better with certain people coaching. The key to coaching these days is really understanding what makes each individual player tick so you can get the best out of them every single day. Time have changed from the days when you just expected players to show up and be their best and if not the coach cracks the whip on them.

If Ray had been dressed I would have offered a guaranteed spot on the roster for the year for anyone who put him in traction. I am that sick of Torontos ****.

I think it's a bigger issue with not getting a coach that can inspire the players. Lapo was so passive and I don't think he was any screaming hell for firing up a team, and based on the evidence we have they respond even less to Burke... If this year doesn't work out then I think we can clearly say that Mack failed at being able to identify a quality head coach.