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Some one doesn't pay attention to kick returns... but aside from that I don't particularly want Ford on the team all that much either. He's an OK change of pace runningback and servicable kick returner but you can do better than a guy like that.

the receiver took his route outside, likely what was called for him to do, but Hall wasn't able to get the ball out to him and it went more inside. To me it looked like Hall didn't get the ball where he wanted to get it on account of the pressure getting to him as he was throwing. He misjudged how much time he was going to have to throw and the result was a ball that didn't get where he wanted it to go. It was a risky decision at that point in the game. That happens when you're down by a bunch or early enough in the game it's not such a big deal, but the time in the game when it happened when you're knocking on the door to take a bigger lead you gotta be smarter with the ball. I'm not trying to be hard on Hall because to my eyes he was still the 2nd best qb in preseason but it was a mistake on his part no questions asked.

and how did that work out for us? At least we know Messam can play. Etienne? Meh. do we really know that? Etienne hasn't been cut from any teams yet but Messam just got cut... maybe it's time to admit that it's been a long while since messam was a relevant player in the CFL. RBs have a short shelf life.

Ottawa is the only Canadian team that doesn't sell out all of their NHL games too. and if the flames stick to being a bad team you'll be seeing some empty seats in the saddledome as well. Ottawa is just a weird town for sports, they just don't seem to really get behind anything. Calgary is a band wagon town plain and simple.

And don't complain when Bilikudi and Muamba come back to Canada this year either. Then we go from suck to blow on the ratio. i'm pretty sure you retain the rights to one of those guys... but not so sure about the other. yeah but the other guy knows that Kyle Walters is willing to back a dump truck full of money up to his house

except that they haven't outplayed him....

wild rose is good stuff, never cared for the fruity beers but their SOB and Wred Wheat are great, shame they stopped bottling those ones and they're only available from the tap room.

A weak link on the OL is a significantly bigger problem than one on the dl. and quite frankly based on preseason I think the offense will be doing more to keep us in games this year than the D anyway. I know that's a strange thought for bomber fans to wrap their heads around but it might be true...

IE. O'Shea was not happy with Halls int at the end. I finally got around to watching the game and yikes that was a poor decision to make. Eat the sack there and they might win the game. I'm glad that you are finally seeing how mediocre Hall truly is. So please no more comparisons to Ricky Ray and dropping passes into the receivers hands. Halls noodle arm and stone legs simply won't cut it. that's an interesting take on what I said.... quite frankly I think Hall looked OK until that int. I didn't see a whole lot from Brohm that would put him ahead at this point other than the fact that the int was just a brain fart and Brohm didn't make any of those this game so to me Hall is still the #2 guy but I think O'Shea is not happy with losing that game and rightly so, they gave the game away with dropped passes and sloppy tackling and other assorted mistakes.

Canadian vs import. Crappy vs exceptional. Start a Canadian somewhere else. where? CFL rosters are always built by slotting in your top canadians then filling imports around them and given the injuries we've had Thomas is one of the best we have. I personally think we would be better off with 6 on offence and one at field corner again, where? 3 receivers? So that if we have a guy get hurt we're using the scrapings of the league to field enough guys? On the OL so our qbs can get hammered game in and game out again and god help them if there is an injury there? RB? We don't have a good enough RB to do that....

Canadian vs import. Crappy vs exceptional. Start a Canadian somewhere else. where? CFL rosters are always built by slotting in your top canadians then filling imports around them and given the injuries we've had Thomas is one of the best we have.

My concern with the D at this point is how shoddy the tackling has been. They gave up a lot of extra yards simply by missing tackles.

I am starting to get really excited for that Drew Willy might do this year. He looked really really good in the Calgary game and if his receivers didn't have stone hands he likely puts up a ton more points and likely wins the game in the first half.

Cotton has been one of the most impressive players on the team in the preseason games, if he wasn't starting the year I'd seriously question the coaches here. Guy looks like a very dangerous player.

IE. O'Shea was not happy with Halls int at the end. I finally got around to watching the game and yikes that was a poor decision to make. Eat the sack there and they might win the game.

Have you actually heard any of this, or is that just you making stuff up about Rider fans? I'm not so sure I believe this. I watched it happen. Going to university in Brandon and then moving to Calgary I knew a lot of people from Saskatchewan and I watched almost every single one of them become a "huge rider fan" starting in about 2003 when I knew damned well they didn't know the first thing about football.

had to expect it, we've already lost 2 canadian players for the season, the depth is getting slim so they clearly want DIs at positions other than kicker

I said in the offseason and it's still valid if you ask me, as long as I see a team that battles all game long and never gives up it's a step in the right direction. Got so tired last year of seeing the team face the slightest bit of adversity and just roll over and die. Give me a reason to watch the whole game.

I agree with this. Still too much to learn on the new guys, Brohm and Marve. All's i know is this group is oodles better than the QBacking crew we had around last year. we say that every year. there's still a lot to be proven before we get too excited. I think the big difference is that this year they'll be getting better coaching which should make everyone look better. No, I'm not getting excited….just stating a fact. A highly subjective fact... The gong show that was our coaching staff last year made a hell of a lot of players look a hell of a lot worse than they were. Every preseason we get amped up about the qbs preseason performances, I need to see it translate into the regular season before making sweeping statements about the quality from one year to the next.

I agree with this. Still too much to learn on the new guys, Brohm and Marve. All's i know is this group is oodles better than the QBacking crew we had around last year. we say that every year. there's still a lot to be proven before we get too excited. I think the big difference is that this year they'll be getting better coaching which should make everyone look better.

have we seen enough of Nichols to make a claim like that? I dunno that we have because of the aforementioned injuries.

Exactly. We all thought Stubler was coming here & everyone was excited. Then when that didn't happen, we get Etcheverry. And everything that comes with the guy. Thud!! it's not even that Stubler didn't come here. It's just that Etch is a known commodity and I didn't like his defenses in previous stops so I didn't want him here. I'd have rather given an unknown a shot than go with a guy who I know I don't like.

don't hold your breath. The mad scientist cares nothing for run defence.

It's not that I want Etch fired... it's that I wish he was never hired in the first place.

I think it's more a case of the system they've used is one that makes life hard on linebackers.