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I think it's fun to guess who says what. Is it wrong of me to just assume that any comments with the swearing in them come from Kent Austin?

Not to mention Washington's great recovery in the endzone in knocking the ball away from the receiver. Reminded me of how school yard football was played. Still unclear why Dunigan thought that was pass interference . . . Because of all the weak assed calls they do make.

Lulay definitely has some issues with his accuracy which is likely a result of having to change his throwing motion. Maybe he figures it out later in the year? Best to hope they get far enough behind early that they're out of the playoff picture before he does.

Completely agree...that's a depressingly low bar though Well Khari I would say is a high bar to set he was awesome. I'd say Willy will definitely surpass Buck in his prime and may be better them Glenn. I was commenting on the "since Khari" part of the post. If Willy can stay healthy he'll be better than Buck and Glenn for sure. Kevin Glenn is the QB equivalent to potatoes. They'll get the job done, but I'm never going to get excited about them The **** you got against potatoes? They're awesome.

That's not Glenns thing and never has been. Glenn was always a guy that went along with the rest of the team. Willy reminds me more of Khari Jones than anyone. Different qbs for sure but the miles and miles of heart, very similar. Kharis team mates loved the guy I get the sense that WIlly has the same respect from his team.

I think we should stop starting 2 Canadian receivers and start 4 International Moore, Denmark, Adams and Veltung plus 2 big backs with Marshall and Scott will make Willy's job a lot easier. 1 big back is plenty. I don't know why you have taken a dislike to Paris Cotton but he's still a good runningback. Very explosive and very dangerous. When paired with a guy like Marshall you have the potential for a pretty dynamic running game. Since his good game on the first week, he's been regressing. I am a fan of Cotton, but if it doesn't work (now) a change has to be made. Look at the Pat Neufeld change it made a difference to the game last night. The change is giving Marshall more work. As a change of pace guy Cotton is a great option. 2 bigger backs isn't a change of pace. I've never seen a point in having 2 backs of the same type on the roster. You want someone who can bring a different dynamic to the offense. I will also disagree that Cotton wasn't working but that's a different debate.

I think we should stop starting 2 Canadian receivers and start 4 International Moore, Denmark, Adams and Veltung plus 2 big backs with Marshall and Scott will make Willy's job a lot easier. 1 big back is plenty. I don't know why you have taken a dislike to Paris Cotton but he's still a good runningback. Very explosive and very dangerous. When paired with a guy like Marshall you have the potential for a pretty dynamic running game.

Let's not worry about tiebreakers with BC let's just win more games than them. Shouldn't be too difficult a task, that BC team isn't the same one they were.

I just knew this thread was getting a bump.

You want one of the top receivers in the league to sit on the IR the rest of the year? Why don't we just play 4 Americans at receiver and make the team that much harder to defend rather than stubbornly sticking with 8 Canadian starters for no apparent reason?

This game was all about Willy and how important he is to this team. Guy is just a leader out there. You can tell the team believes in him and when you give him time to throw man oh man he's putting the ball where it needs to be. He was good last year but he's better this year and the development has been a real treat to watch.

But this is what I'm saying, it's rare that you get a case where one guy is obviously the best candidate. Usually you got a couple guys that there's very little to choose between.

Stayed long enough to help a friend. I guess the size of the organization has a lot to do with it. If you know someone in HR at GWL it may not mean much but a small radio station or a football team then it might. I'd like to think if I was hired on merit & experience to be Bombers GM that I'd hire the best HC available who applied & not a football friend. My approach would be to let to know any applicant I may have worked or played with in the past that while it may have some impact on my decision it won't be the primary one. so you narrow your search down to two people that you feel are close, one is a long time friend who you have worked with before and trust, the other is a guy you don't really know... who do you hire? Obviously the person with the history. It is very rare that you get a candidate that is completely head and shoulders above everyone else.

Everyone in every business everywhere preferentially hires people they know. It's never what you know it's who you know. That's how the world works and it's not cronyism.

A series of poor hires and lack of patience. It's just as simple as that. I'd rather have my head in the sand than up my own ass.

Well quite simple really, Elliott was at the time the best qb the Bombers had that was able to play and he should have been playing. Cato is far from proven as a CFL starter though and part of actually being a good CFL starter is being able to adapt once defences adapt to you. Cato is getting his opportunity to prove if he can or can't, Elliott never got that opportunity because he for Burked.

Hey no reason to get all salty because people shredded your flimsy argument and exposed it for the nonsense it was. There are lots of reasons why this team hasn't won a Grey Cup in 25 years, cronyism isn't one of them. Back to the drawing board, come up with some other crack pot theory maybe it will be better received. If you can't handle being wrong internet forums aren't the place to post crappy theories.

Replace Cato with Troy Smith... Let's give it some time before we annoint Cato. Lots of guys have looked good initially but not been able to sustain it. I'll throw Casey Printers in as another guy who had early success and wasn't able to keep it going.

Room on the Harris bandwagon for me too?

That's my point. "Better than Brink" did not equal "good QB", just like "Marve is better than Brohm" does not mean "Marve should be starting because he's so good". Many who want rid of Brohm think that Marve will come in and light it up, but like Elliot he could quite easily stink it up, and the coaches must believe that is the case based on not playing him and explaining how he is deficient in the areas they need him to be stronger in. Elliot's riskiness was not just riverboat gambler mentality, it was a fundamental inability to read the defence and exploit it. That was proven by the lack of success on any other team that took a chance on him afterwards. He was not a good QB, and "better than Brink" was such a low bar that people falsely elevated his ability to play because of it and pinned unrealistic expectations on him. I fear the same scenario with Marve now. My point is that Elliott hardly stunk it up, he moved the ball effectively but threw some ints in the red zone. Rather than working to correct that as a normal coach might do, he got the under the bus treatment cause the coach was pissed off as he often was and he liked to bury players who displeased him. Not buying it. If he was as illustrious as you guys are trying to portray, he would still be on a roster and not cut from two other squads.. One with potentially worse QB depth then us.. Football is a harsh game, opportunities don't come around often and a lot of players have missed there's never to get another one. BC and Ottawa he was never going to get the opportunity. His opportunity was in Winnipeg but a few mistakes and a terrible coach and his window of opportunity slammed shut. No.. No it didn't tho. Here? Yes.. But in BC and in Ottawa he had 2 more opportunities to prove himself.. Those weren't real opportunities though. He went in there behind veteran starters and being as old as he was he was not viewed as a development player. He was a uniform filler in those stops nothing more. His opportunity came in Winnipeg and that's the only real one he got.

That's my point. "Better than Brink" did not equal "good QB", just like "Marve is better than Brohm" does not mean "Marve should be starting because he's so good". Many who want rid of Brohm think that Marve will come in and light it up, but like Elliot he could quite easily stink it up, and the coaches must believe that is the case based on not playing him and explaining how he is deficient in the areas they need him to be stronger in. Elliot's riskiness was not just riverboat gambler mentality, it was a fundamental inability to read the defence and exploit it. That was proven by the lack of success on any other team that took a chance on him afterwards. He was not a good QB, and "better than Brink" was such a low bar that people falsely elevated his ability to play because of it and pinned unrealistic expectations on him. I fear the same scenario with Marve now. My point is that Elliott hardly stunk it up, he moved the ball effectively but threw some ints in the red zone. Rather than working to correct that as a normal coach might do, he got the under the bus treatment cause the coach was pissed off as he often was and he liked to bury players who displeased him. Not buying it. If he was as illustrious as you guys are trying to portray, he would still be on a roster and not cut from two other squads.. One with potentially worse QB depth then us.. Football is a harsh game, opportunities don't come around often and a lot of players have missed there's never to get another one. BC and Ottawa he was never going to get the opportunity. His opportunity was in Winnipeg but a few mistakes and a terrible coach and his window of opportunity slammed shut.

yeah I hate having a proven top receiver in the lineup, better to have rookies catching passes

I wound up with the Sask qbs in fantaseh, I figured well if Durant sucks or gets hurt at least they got Glenn... but both qbs hurt? Well it was a nice run I had for a while there. Might actually catch up to you at this rate seeing as I got Edmonton QBs, haha. Worry about winning one game before you go chasing after the big dogs.

Being the straight man is a thankless job and often gets over looked.

I wound up with the Sask qbs in fantaseh, I figured well if Durant sucks or gets hurt at least they got Glenn... but both qbs hurt? Well it was a nice run I had for a while there.