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What context is needed? You're a one note poster saying the same stuff every time there's a loss then you bugger off when the team wins and don't say anything.

I wouldn't compare drafting players to signing free agents off a negotiation list.

What's the point of keeping someone on your neg list if they don't want to sign with you? Yeah technically you could keep their rights forever, but if they flat out tell you "Nope not signing with you no matter what kind of contract I get offered" then you're only wasting your time and neg list spaces hanging onto them out of spite, might as well remove them and move on.;Sure you're giving them up willingly, but in a more accurate sense you're losing them because they don't want to sign with you.

Yeah I suspect that it probably didn't look so bad on TV because that always happens, but it rained steadily and heavily the entire first half and into the 3rd quarter. The first FG that was missed you could clearly tell that it was short simply on account of Lirim didn't trust his footing for ****. The ball was being dropped a ton, players didn't have great footing, or at least didn't trust their footing. Just an all around sloppy rainy day game as one might logically expect. Then the rain cleared off and the esks made some plays and the Bombers didn't.

So the loss is on Brohm? Get real. Willy has yet to score a TD vs Esks in three starts. Where did I say that the loss was on Brohm? All I said was that the team plays with their heads up their asses when he's in the game. Case in point the one interception that should have been a first down catch but got volleyed up and picked up. Or how about the defence collapsing as soon as Willy got hurt in Edmonton and against Hamilton? The reason they lost is pretty simple, they got outplayed badly when the rain stopped. I didn't assign blame to anyone, you made that assumption, all I said was the team deflates like a popped balloon when Willy goes down and Brohm comes in and even the players admit that it happens. Let's not read imaginary comments into my posts OK?

I'm thinking more and more that the team just doesn't have any kind of faith in Brohm at all. They play hard for Willy and they seemed to respond to Marve but when Brohm goes in it's all academic, everyone is playing with their heads up their asses. Once that happens it doesn't really matter how well the qb knows the offence.

He's not getting it done and the other guy has gotten it done, isn't that the entire basis of your Marve vs. Brohm support? Why the different opinion here? Stoudemire might have been great last year, but this year he's been useless and actually a detriment to the team whereas Veltung has been good. 2 chances is plenty in my opinion, when the CFL is as tight as it is you can't piss away games letting guys figure it out.

It's not about being a better fan it's about being a more rational human being. I mean if you want to fly off the handle over a loss then go nuts but don't expect to be taken seriously when you do it.

He sat on the trainers table the whole time and never moved, if he had been able to play in an emergency situation I'd have thought he would be able to at least get up but he didn't move at all.

yes sacks are always important with only 3 downs, hell I remember reading something a year or two ago about an american getting their first exposure to the CFL and marvelling how much sacks riled up the crowd and then realizing how important they were since it put a team in a long situation to get a first down. Really just a common sense thing.

The reason we had Etch last year as d-coordinator is because Stubler said **** no to coming to a coaching graveyard and went to Calgary instead where things are so stable there's never any need to fire coaches. People don't like to hear it, but we have to be patient with this group because this team needs stability more than anything.

Yea. I can't imagine that Taman is too happy about the leak to Penton at this point and time. Sent in his lapdog Pederson for damage control. If anything, imo, this validates what Penton was saying. He sure struck a nerve at Riders HQ with his article. Methinks Pederson, and therefore the RIders, dost protest too much. Absolutely, people don't fly off the handle like that when there is no truth behind it.

Architects are just people who wanted to be engineers but flunked the math.

When I drive between Calgary & Winnipeg stopping at Moosomin is never an option. I divide the trip into 4 segments... Calgary to Medicine Hat, stop for gas as it's the cheapest before Saskatchewan. Medicine Hat to Swift Current, stop for a quick bite along the highway.... McDonalds or A & W. Swift Current to Regina, stop at the Husky Station for gas before heading out of town... Regina to Brandon. Stop for a quick fill along the highway... then Brandon to Winnipeg. Vice versa the other way. Dividing up the drive like that is a helluva lot better than thinking 14 hours OMFG it's going to be Hell... Each segment is 2 1/2 to 3 hours... I'm more or less the same, but we cut out Swifty....usually the Hat to Regina in a single shot. I'm a big "Get Where I'm Going As Fast As I Can" kinda guy....no unnecessary stops..... plus why spend any more time in Saskatchewan then you have to?

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Pencer was crapped on immediately. I'm just pointing out the bit of hypocrisy that exists. You don't see any other differences in their situations? What's different? Both high draft picks that were a reach taken as high as they were and neither one was able to solidify a roster spot, except one had a lot of injury excuses at least. Oh, so that's where he went with it.How about: Goossen - taken #2, ranked #4 in o-linemen (#2 for those GMs thought wouldn't bolt to the NFL) and #9 overall, was 3 year conference all-star and captain of his college team heading into draft, no injury history from college or attitude issues to worry about that we know of, played in 15 games and started 3 in his first year, missed 3 games to injury last year before this year's injury woes at the start of camp in just his 2nd season. Pencer - Taken #3, ranked #6 among o-lineman and not even ranked overall on some draft projections, had serious injury concerns from his college days (both shoulders messed up and caused him to miss significant playing time in university football), walked away from one football program midstream for "personal" reasons, got hurt in practice pretty much right away, one start and 6 or so games on roster before being cut, picked up by Edmonton in may and cut by June this year having seen no action in his 4th season. And since your gripe is more about Mack not getting cut the same slack, Pencer wasn't his one-off in draft errors. His draft history of off-the-board Etienne, out-of-position Aprile, and never-going-to-see-the-CFL-anyway Mulumba gave him a lot less leeway to make a mistake when he got outplayed for Westerman and then begged people to believe that Pencer was his plan all along in trading up so he wouldn't have to admit he got schooled. If you want to (still repeatedly) defend Joe Mack, there are better ways to do it than by touting his draft record. Actually, there may not be a better way to defend Mack job-performance-wise, but I doubt there are many worse ways to do it. actually this is less about defending Mack and more about arguing the idea that Kyle Walters is some kind of draft guru. Chung looks like a good pick but other than that which draft picks of his have really made an impact? It seems that being not Joe Mack is enough for people to think Walters is the greatest thing ever.

Thing is the players really never did the bragging about it. The media got wind of it and ran with it. Matt Dunigan was the #1 hype man for it and was pretty much single handedly responsible for it gaining any kind of national notice. That defence was fantastic. Playmakers who won a pile of games for the team while the offense was busy crapping it's pants game in and game out.

It was the dbs that started it, it was Matt Dunigan that even started to credit it to Willis. That was all the defensive backs doing and they started it when Mike Kelly was still the coach.

Pencer was crapped on immediately. I'm just pointing out the bit of hypocrisy that exists. You don't see any other differences in their situations? What's different? Both high draft picks that were a reach taken as high as they were and neither one was able to solidify a roster spot, except one had a lot of injury excuses at least.

recovering from being run over by a bus.

It's his high profile job on TSN that makes people think he's a good HC, when he really isn't. And it was his clueless GM and lack of a back-up QB that makes people think he's an awful HC, when he really isn't. Good players make good coaches. In his first year with the team Lapo had Pierce and Jyles as his #1 and #2 qbs. Both experienced CFL players and well suited to their respective roles. The backup qb issue was more when Tim Burke was in charge and perhaps if he hadn't taken an irrational dislike to Joey Elliott the problems wouldn't have been so bad.

This sounds like another case of accepting mediocrity as progress... the old saying is "you're either first or you're last"... getting the big show is nice, but once you're there, winning is all that matters... If you were worse than mediocre then mediocrity is progress.... Is this a difficult concept to grasp? Sometimes it just takes time to make drastic improvements and patience is required and yes that means accepting mediocrity as progress.

Pencer was crapped on immediately. I'm just pointing out the bit of hypocrisy that exists. Walters gets so many free passes by some people and the previous GM got raked over the coals for any little thing

Lapo was also the biggest ***** of a coach I've ever seen. The man played not to lose rather than playing to win. Lots of close games sure but they never really took the chances needed to win.

Has a 9-9 team ever missed the playoffs? If we go 9-9 I expect we'd make the playoffs, but no playoffs = no O'Shea to me. Usually not, but given BC only made the crossover by one game last year at 9-9, it's not a give me by any stretch. 9 wins will always get you into the playoffs in the CFL. Hell most times 8 is enough, last year being a bit of an oddball in that it wasn't enough. Just the simple numbers. Some teams always have to lose games and some teams will always win more than half of their games. Only way I don't see a .500 record making the playoffs in the CFL is if parity is such that the top teams only pick up like 10 wins and everyone is sitting there with .500 records.