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Just can't believe that after that performance yesterday I didn't wake up to find that someone, anyone, was held accountable and was made to pay with their job. Biggest problem with this team is accountability on all levels. Accountability doesn't mean firing people after a loss. Firing people now isn't going to accomplish much of anything. Like it or not the proper course of action is to make changes in the offseason. A lot of problems with this team lately have come from mid season firing and the replacement doing better so might as well keep them. Daley, Burke, Walters, Bellefool.... You want another situation like that? Wait until the offseason when some quality people maybe don't have jobs or you can lure them away.

Doesn't matter where Wild fits, you make room for him. Guy is a player and at very least he's also a guy you can trust to run down and cover kicks too.

Yeah how will a professional hockey player ever recover from the shame of being caught sleeping with 18 year old models....

Shamless Ian Wild fanboi checking in, awesome news!

I despise Marcel as much as the next guy but the special teams are just as bad, and that's after firing the coach, O'Shea is to blame for the state of the team. So shouldn't that point the finger in the direction of the talent? If changing coaches doesn't do anything then does it not logically follow that your players just aren't good enough?

I missed the debate last night as the Broncos game was far more interesting. I did turn over to CPAC at half time, and caught part of Mulcair's interview (I can only watch about 30 seconds of that clown before my gag reflex starts kicking in) after the debate. He was asked why the NDP used $67 a barrel for oil in his platform rather than $45. You could tell he had no clue, and didn't know what to say, so he did the usual Mulcair thing and just channeled Pat Martin, getting annoyed and angry that anyone would dare question anything the NDP would say, instead of giving an actual answer. But what else is new. All three leaders in my opinion are pretty weak, but they are trying to govern a pretty schizo country in my opinion. If you pander to the West you piss off Quebec and Ontario. If you pander to Quebec you piss off Ontario and the west. There is no answer that will please everyone. But it was a good question in my view - why is the NDP using $67 a barrel? I think I know why. Because their total bullshit platform that is "costed and accounted for" is total bullshit. If they used actual oil prices they wouldn't even come close to a balanced budget. So they have to lie to try and make it look like they will. I think promising balanced budgets was a huge mistake. Same thing here in Alberta. The Tories always under/over estimated a barrel of oil. It worked for Klein for a decade as he always underestimated the price of a barrel of West Texas Intermediate & he had massive surpluses. Didn't work for Stelmach, Redford or Prentice who all over estimated to pay for their election goodies then rung up massive deficits. Klein was the luckiest politician in Canada. Not the best but the luckiest to have governed in a time of wealth & prosperity everywhere unlike the other 3 poor sap AB Premiers. Even the good politicians are clueless. Klein wasn't lucky he was ruthless. He wanted surplussed and he cut things in order to get them. It's part of the reason why Alberta had to start running deficits. Klein left a lot needing to be done to support the provinces growing population. But he balanced the books which was his goal

Do you believe a coalition of NDP/Liberals could be an effective government? No there is too much difference despite people screaming that they're both left!!!! the Liberals would find more common ground with the Conservatives than with the NDP if you ask me. The only thing they could agree on as a minority I truly believe is "**** Harper"

See here's where I have a problem, I think O'Shea overall is doing a better job than Walters is, but GMs usually get a chance to fire a coach before they get put under the gun. So in that case I am in favour of giving each more time. Walters at very least isn't doing anything to harm the team like Kelly was so there's no real harm in letting him have a good stretch to bring some stability to things.

Sorry, I don't buy that logic. The NFL has already passed on them the first time and in a lot of cases their sham degree from "Southern Pinestick A&M" is not going to lead to many employment opportunities in the real world that pay as well as a job in the CFL.. I can't stand this bias against athletes. Find one guy on our roster that is from a school you've never heard of. My brother coaches at the University/National level and academic standing (GPA and attendance) is a high priority for his athletes. That is, unacceptable academic standing means no play (no matter who you are) until it's brought up to the standard set by the University regardless of sport (I believe its around 3.00 GPA and 80% attendance rate). So I think the more practical question, for me at least is, where do American Universities sit with this when it comes to football play and academic standing with their student athletes? My educated guess would be it varies from University to University. That's all well and good, but a lot of the basketball players at BU when I was there were dumber than a sack of hammers, and mostly they took classes such as shoe tying 101 and walking and chewing bubble gum 305. A lot of universities like to claim that they have high academic standards, and I'm sure some do, but there's also a lot of fluff involved in getting the athletes through those requirements too.

This is just such a dumb way to look at it. You don't just start cutting players out of spite. Injuries or not he's our best receiver and cutting him makes the team worse. The scouting staff has been incapable of bringing in a good receiver so far and who knows what's available in free agency. Can't cut Moore until we have a star receiver to replace him. With all due respect, if you're paying a player more than he's worth, that's dumb. If we're going to improve as a team we have to be smarter than this. Moore has not produced for us going on two seasons now (1 TD) and had just one good year with BC before that. That's on Walters and I don't care if it's because of injury, trying too hard, or because he forgot to sacrifice a chicken in his basement. Too much money for a non-productive player. Bullshit. When he's been healthy Moore has been producing catches and yards. Yeah his numbers are lower this year, but maybe the complete lack of passing attack in several of the games has an impact on that? When the passing game is working though Moore is catching a ton of balls. Let's drop this "he's not producing" garbage. He's the most consistent player on our offense AINEC

That sounds impossible, is there a set of numbers that don't have an average?No but this isn't accounting and you can't learn politics by playing Number Munchers. So the ndp and liberals and communists are exactly the same? The conservatives and reform are exactly the same? How is 17to18 claiming that harper brought the torys further away from the far right of there is no gradient. Just a black and white set of binary ideologies? Not at all. There is far left, left, right, and far right. But there is no centre. And anyone claiming to be "centre" is kidding themselves. No the centre is the point between left and right, it means that where ever you draw the line between left and right, the centre can skip onto either side of it and do things associated with either side. If you have degrees of left and right then you also must have a centre.

You should vote conservative then, they don't touch the social stuff, unless you buy into that hidden agenda nonsense

Left and right are really narrow minded views of politics anyway. I much prefer the models that have 4 sides. I am for example a fiscal conservative, but I'm also more libertarian while the conservative party is kind of not. Nothing is really black and white, there's shades of grey everywhere especially in politics. Heck I consider myself fairly right wing with some moderate tendencies but holy cow there are people way further to the right of me.

If I needed a lawyer I'd want the one who does what's best for me not what's best for his own pocket book, which is what the slimey types do.

We need to let his hit points replenish!

Also remember who his agent is. The guy is the slimiest slime ball ever.

Honestly no one is going to stray too far from the centre anyway. You know why? Because these people care about getting elected and you don't get elected by appealing to the fringes, you appeal to people by not rocking the boat and doing the same things we've been doing for ever. You try and get crazy people are going to vote you right out of office. It's why Harper had to muzzle all the loonies on the right and it's why Mulcair had to drag the wing nuts on the left kicking and screaming towards the middle.

Ottawa also hasn't had their starting qb get hurt either which puts them ahead of every team in the league except Calgary and Hamilton.

Hey if people were terrified of the rights hidden agenda I expect the same results from the lefts hidden agenda. Honestly this election has been fascinating to watch. Polls up and down, parties rising and falling almost daily. Quite something.

I also remember a while back when TSN had some training camp stuff on around the league and this rookie receiver for the Als was running his mouth about how he was probably going to get 2000 yards... Lots of people are that right mix of arrogant and ignorant and don't appreciate how good the CFL actually is. Oh you're a good college player who had a cup of coffee in the NFL? Well guess what, most of the guys in the CFL fit that bill too.

But his production in terms of catches and yards is really good. So he's not scoring TDs, that's a Bomber problem not a Moore problem. Moore has been playing like a top receiver when healthy, just that he's missed a lot of time.

It's never one or the other. If you have no base it takes more time to build. The Bombers might as well have been an expansion team the way things went. Patience was required instead we kept blowing **** up every year or two.

Sorry to disappoint you but if the Bombers beat the aforementioned teams and everything else remains equal, then the Blue will be in the playoffs.lol! First they have to beat those two bottom dwellers but that won't be enough. That is just two games. To make the playoffs they have to beat >.500 teams and so far each one they have played they have been crushed. Montreal and BC have shown they can beat >.500 teams so right now I have to give them the edge. Sorry.No need to be sorry. There is nothing in what I said that isn't true. Should I explain it to you? I'd like to hear it. Beating BC and Montreal only will put us at 6-12 and that's not going to do it. Unless this is some wordplay thing. Then forget it. Beat the Lions and Als and you may not need to win any other games depending on what those teams do. Remember the Als would have to cross over and would need to flat out beat the Bombers record, doable but not guaranteed. If they beat the Lions as well then Winnipeg would hold the tie breaker over them and they too would need to flat out beat the Bombers record. Possible but not a given. If the Bombers only get to 6 wins those other teams need to get to 7 (or 6 plus a tie) Really the most basic thing you can do to make the playoffs is beat the teams you should beat and keep them behind you. The Bombers at this moment have a chance to do that. They wouldn't be the first team to make the playoffs below .500. BC has qb and coach issues, so does Montreal, I don't know how you give them the advantage if Winnipeg manages to beat them.

Purely hypothetical, but what if the offense lights up the CFL under Nichols? Could that possibly suggest Marcel wasn't the problem? We have a whole lot of other years where Marcel has run an offence to base his performance on not just his time here. He's a problem, the only question is whether there is anyone better available and willing to come to Winnipeg.

How about we talk about the years before that? Rebuilding isn't just about a new person coming in, it's about what's already in the system when a person comes in, and in the Bombers case the QB and NI situations have been bad for a long long time and not a lot has been built. When Kelly took over the team basically had Brown and Labatte and a bunch of meh canadians. Kelly didn't do much to add to the NIs in his year, then Labatte leaves in free agency and we have Brown retiring and we're left with a bunch of meh at NI. Mack brought in some guys like Watson and Muamba, but Watsons injuries and Muamba going to the NFL again left it pretty meh. Now we're in a situation where they're still trying to get some quality NIs in here. The qb thing is even worse. Kelly destroyed the position. Mack went out and signed Pierce and Jyles as vets but neither one of them lasted. Pierce was broken and no one was able to develop. Now we have Willy but he's missing a lot of time to injury and the backups aren't developing. When nothing ever gets built it doesn't matter who you hire it's not going to be a quick turn around.