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Being the straight man is a thankless job and often gets over looked.

I wound up with the Sask qbs in fantaseh, I figured well if Durant sucks or gets hurt at least they got Glenn... but both qbs hurt? Well it was a nice run I had for a while there.

That's my point. "Better than Brink" did not equal "good QB", just like "Marve is better than Brohm" does not mean "Marve should be starting because he's so good". Many who want rid of Brohm think that Marve will come in and light it up, but like Elliot he could quite easily stink it up, and the coaches must believe that is the case based on not playing him and explaining how he is deficient in the areas they need him to be stronger in. Elliot's riskiness was not just riverboat gambler mentality, it was a fundamental inability to read the defence and exploit it. That was proven by the lack of success on any other team that took a chance on him afterwards. He was not a good QB, and "better than Brink" was such a low bar that people falsely elevated his ability to play because of it and pinned unrealistic expectations on him. I fear the same scenario with Marve now. My point is that Elliott hardly stunk it up, he moved the ball effectively but threw some ints in the red zone. Rather than working to correct that as a normal coach might do, he got the under the bus treatment cause the coach was pissed off as he often was and he liked to bury players who displeased him.

I don't know that the Willy injury against Edm was an "obvious penalty"... but I did point out during the game that Jake Thomas got called for a penalty that was essentially the same type of play... hit the qb low it's supposed to be a flag and he was obviously hit low.

Oh please, Elliott was so much better than Brink it wasn't even funny. Elliotts problem was that he took too many risks in the red zone and rather than working with him to improve that he got tossed under the bus.

Sometimes it's hard to tell when someone is actually trolling or if they're just naturally stupid.

You make room for guys like that. If this team has a serious cap crunch then someone has horribly mismanaged the cap situation because the team isn't nearly talented enough to be spending that big.

He may not be a natural MLB but the guy did the job there last year pretty well. Remember it was the Etch system on D, no matter who was in the middle teams were going to run all over the defence. At least Wild would be in the hole to hit a back as opposed to Hurl who seems to prefer waiting for guys to come to him.

pretty much exactly the bolded. He goes out and has a rough game fans would be no kinder to him than they are to Brohm and we'd run him out of town. It's the way things work in Winnipeg, Overall the fan base treats qbs the same way Mike Kelly did. They're not an instant success despite the adversity they have to face toss em on the scrap heap and keep trying until you find that instant smash hit. Other teams seem to have less trouble finding quality QBs that we do, we traded for Willy so we didn't even find him... Like Montreal who have gone through how many qbs since Calvillo retired? Or Hamilton who had to poach a free agent? Or Ottawa who brought in a FA and got a backup in the expansion draft? Or Toronto who had Harris on their roster for several years now developing and he's still the backup to Ray who yep from another team. Calgary sure we'll give them that, BC them too cause Wally always managed to find a qb, but Edmonton still has NIchols as a backup and they seem to have been trying to get rid of him for a while but no one can beat him, other than that it's Reilly who you guessed it, came from another team. Durant was a good find by the Riders but since then what have they got? Kevin The Journeyman Glenn and a pile of crap, I don't see all this success other teams are having finding qbs, I see a couple guys who can find qbs and everyone else picks up from them.

Except that no one is defending Brohm. Well maybe one guy, most people are simply arguing the point that Marve is superman and will save the day.

getting old is a *****. At this point the best thing Picard brings to the field is punching guys in the nuts or whatever he does to piss people off.

I've been on holidays for three weeks and been off the grid. Has our offensive line played well enough to help our QB's and RB's be successful? If not, why isn't anyone crapping on the OL coach in harmony with our OC coach? If it's a talent issue on the OL, does MB deserve any slack as a result of this? The OL has been up and down. I'd say they're OK for the most part but have a few break downs here and there.

Drew Willy has been playing fantastically this season, just no question about it. The guy reads a defence well and hasn't been taking many risks with the ball. The only time things fall apart on him is when the OL breaks down and the OC gets into one of his fits where he forgets that running the ball is effective, but those things slow down any quarterback. He has been on the money this year for the most part, same can not be said for the defence and special teams though. Also Lulay, Collaros all those guys they may be able to run but the key that makes them successful is that they can also pass. They're dual threats. Willy has been able to run to extend some plays so I wouldn't say he's an immobile statue back there, but you don't NEED to be a runner to succeed in the CFL. Calvillo and Ray are proof positive of that, but if you can't pass in the CFL you're pretty useless as a qb.

pretty much exactly the bolded. He goes out and has a rough game fans would be no kinder to him than they are to Brohm and we'd run him out of town. It's the way things work in Winnipeg, Overall the fan base treats qbs the same way Mike Kelly did. They're not an instant success despite the adversity they have to face toss em on the scrap heap and keep trying until you find that instant smash hit.

There were those of us who lobbied long and hard for MB to be replaced in the offseason.

Marve is doing what a lot of young rookie qbs do, when the speed of the game is too much for his brain to process he uses his legs to improvise. It's a great skill to have and one of the reasons I don't mind if he's the guy coming off the bench as opposed to Brohm, just because it's a good change of pace... but that kind of quarterbacking won't work long term as your starter. If you're lucky you'll get a year out of it before teams realize the guy can't beat them with his arm and just play to keep him in the pocket and throw the ball. Give Marve time to become a professional quarterback before we throw him to the wolves.

Damn stubborn O'Shea refusing to make changes when things aren't working well enough!

Brohm's yet to throw a TD, has thrown several INT's, hasn't moved the offence, and the whole team goes flat when he comes in. How much more rope do you think he needs to hang himself? Not much. If he gets the starters reps all week and craps the bed in a game he starts I expect them to take a long hard look at the situation.

what do you think this is? Training camp? Brohm is #2 on the depth chart and Marve is #3, that won't change until Brohm has enough rope to hang himself in game time.

I don't think Bellefool has the imagination to run an offence like that.

As a shameless Ian Wild fanboi I would love to have him back in Winnipeg,

Look the last 2 games were hard situations for any quarterback to come into. The team lost it's starter and it got them down mentally. There are enough excuses to be found that it is understandable that you don't make a change at qb, especially if you believe that Brohm understands the system better, and why shouldn't he? He's an older more experienced qb, I hope he understands things. That's probably a big comfort to the coaches. But don't fret about it too much, guys don't get unlimited chances to not produce. If he gets a week of prep as the starter and still goes out and poops his pants things will start to change.

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Supporting casts also played a major role. In 88-89 Lemieux put up 199 points and his linemates were Rob Brown & Bob Errey. With Lemieux Brown was a 40 goal scorer; without him he was an AHLer. By the time Lemieux had a decent supporting cast he couldn't stay healthy. Put a healthy Lemieux on those 80s Oilers teams and he'd hold all of the season scoring records. I think winning the Art Ross after missing 1/4 of a season with cancer is one of the most impressive feats in hockey history. IMO, Lemieux was the most talented player ever, but Gretzky gets the title of greatest ever due to his records and influence on the game. Like having Semenko as his linemate? Come on now let's not blow things out of proportion here. Gretzky was so far ahead of his Oiler team mates in scoring it's laughable to even think about it.

Considering how many lunatics are in this fanbase I take being in the minority as a compliment. It's the same with Jets fans, bunch of raving lunatics who see things as either being perfect or being the worst thing since cancer.