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  1. Don't have. warrants.

    From the DoJ's Report on the Ferguson Police Department:

    "In 2013 alone, the court issued over 9,000 warrants on cases stemming in large part from minor violations such as parking infractions, traffic tickets, or housing code violations. Jail time would be considered far too harsh a penalty for the great majority of these code violations, yet Ferguson’s municipal court routinely issues warrants for people to be arrested and incarcerated for failing to timely pay related fines and fees."

    Don't want to get shot? Don't be late paying a parking ticket.

  2. Decided to tune into the Sens game. Alas the game's a real snoozer, very little intensity compared to the Jets' clinching games. Sens are playing super cautiously and Flyers have their tee times booked.

    Been real impressed with the Sens' run to the playoffs though I figure they're doomed in the first round. One-line teams never prosper in the playoffs, hamburglar or no.

    Now the NBC announcers are congratulating the Canadian teams on their playoff seedings and making fun of the Leafs and Oilers lol.

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    Whenever a cop kills someone, there has to be scrutiny.

    These are taxpayer-funded killings and so taxpayers bear responsibility for ensuring that lethal force is used only when absolutely necessary.

    So when the Army kills tonnes of innocent people its OK because America F$$$ Ya?

    So when taxpayers pay for criminals in jail and/or pay for social assistance for people who commit murder those don't matter because why?

     

     

    You're inventing ****.  You need to show me where in this thread I said either of those things.

     

    Here is a thing that grownups know: sometimes multiple things matter at once.

  4. Charge of the white brigade was a thing too.

     

    Whoever greenlit that promotion was an idiot / genius.

     

    They were an idiot because the real charge was a horrendous military disaster and why would you brand your team that way?

     

    They were a genius because the charge was also a gallant effort in the face of a vastly superior opponent -- just like the 1990 Jets vs. Oilers series.

  5. I think it is far more nuanced than simplifying things to be about just race. 

     

    I agree with you on this! I don't mean to say that race is the only factor in the outcomes of cop - citizen encounters. For instance, I would like to see a study comparing how cops who are military veterans escalate situations vs. how cops who haven't ever seen combat do so.

     

    But based just on imprisonment numbers, race does appear to have some influence on the outcomes when people face the American justice system. I wouldn't say it is a certainty but I think it's naive to dismiss it.

  6. It's not a race thing other than one race is over represented in the absolute **** economic conditions.

     

    How do you know this?

     

    Would you say that race is absolutely never ever a factor in any American law enforcement encounter?  You think a black man and a white man will be treated equally when they're pulled over by a highway patrol in, say, Mississippi?

  7. That doesn't mean it's racism though... It's much more likely that it's classism much more than racism. Just so happens that certain demographics are over represented in the poorest class and poverty and questionable behaviours that lead to run ins with police go hand in hand. I don't believe there is as much racism as people think. It's not like it's the middle class black people getting shot by police right?

     

     

    I think the "police aren't targeting black people because they're black, but only because they're poor" argument is pretty much horseshit.  The numbers don't add up. Consider how black people fare in non-fatal encounters with law enforcement:

     

    According to the 2009 U.S. Census (http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0695.pdf) there were about 3.7 million black families under $30,000 income in the USA, and 13.1 million white families under $30,000 income.

    If the imprisonment numbers tracked with income, then you'd expect to see roughly 3-4x as many white people in jail as black people, because there are 3-4x more poor white people than poor black people.

    However, according to the Prison Policy Initiative (http://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/rates.html) blacks and whites each account for about 40% of the prison population.  Blacks are many times more likely to be imprisoned than whites are.

    If the American justice system is indeed blind to race, then why are black people being imprisoned at such an elevated rate?

  8. the victim was not walking down the street and was suddenly shot in the back by a racist cop. He had warrants. He was stopped for a traffic violation. He ran from police. According to his own brother (before they tried to change the narrative) he ran because he knew he would go to jail for warrants. it doesnt change the fact the cop should not have shot him. But it does add context to how events unfolded that day.

     

    If you're considering context about the shooting, please also consider the larger context in which the shooting took place: one in which it's widely believed that the police prey on black people without consequence.

    Alas, it's very difficult to prove this conclusively because the data simply isn't there -- the FBI does do some reporting on killings by police, but the data is self-reported by local/state police departments and participation in the reporting is not mandatory.

    That said, the anecdotes do not flatter the police. The federal Ferguson report was some scary reading; the police department there was basically operating as a shakedown crew that propped up city revenues. The New York City stop-and-frisk program targeted people of color way out of proportion to white people. Here in Seattle, the head of the police officers' guild called out his union brothers and sisters for being racist and anti-gay, and encouraged them to leave Seattle and go to departments where that kind of thinking was tolerated. When your union president is talking about how bad things are, you know there's a problem -- and that's in cozy liberal Seattle where we're supposedly past this kind of thing. 

     

    I wish the federal government would force local police departments to report demographic information on law enforcement killings so that Americans could be better informed about this issue. My own suspicion is that, by and large, cops feel more empowered to **** with people of color than they do to **** with white people.  I think this concern shouldn't be dismissed: it should be studied just like any other social science hypothesis.

  9. under the present roster rules there's no special advantage to rostering a Canadian QB, so there's no point in drafting him unless you think he's got a shot at winning a job in training camp. Like for us, I'd only want to see us draft Yantz if we thought he could legitimately unseat Portis, Marve, or Brohm.

    (I have no idea how good Yantz is ... maybe he could.)

  10. Can someone give me a run down of this show?

    It's inspired by an actual icelandic saga. It's utterly gorgeous (even if they do lean on the blue filter a little bit) and plotwise it is much simpler than Game of Thrones. The whole show revolves around a Viking jarl named Ragnar Lothbrok, a guy with a vision for his people and in each season different people come at him.

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