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5 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Dual threat is a useless argument because when talking about overall effectiveness of a qb it doesn't matter if he did what he did by running and passing or just by passing. He was an average qb regardless of whether he got to that level by being able to run and pass or not.
I am not ignoring his MOP either, but it is a pretty arbitrary award when you consider how the voting for it is done. Glenn had some seasons where he was among the top players too.
Damon Allen gets over rated because his career numbers are huge, but his years played were huge too. He was an average qb. There were always a bunch of qbs in the league that were very clearly superior to him. They didn't stick around as long but if you went and did a ranking of all the qbs at a given time Damon Allen was never going to be in the top group, which is what made him average.
Your argument is very weak. matter of fact it's shot full of holes.Damon Allen was not just an average qb on par with Kevin Glenn. He was head & shoulders above Glenn. Even Glenn would agree with that assessment.
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9 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
you mean when Calvillo retired?
I think Trestman would have found a way to make it work without Calvillo. He's one of the best qb coaches around so maybe he could have developed one of those guys like Crompton for example, to be a competent CFL qb. They had nothing coaching wise after he left.
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On 1/19/2018 at 12:01 PM, Brandon Blue&Gold said:
C'mon man. David Clarke? Really? If you're trying to make a point use someone slightly less despicable. Unless you're trolling, then carry on I guess?
No kidding. David Clarke who used his position as Sherriff to bully, antagonize & intimidate others??? Wow.
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Former Stampeder quarterback Jerry Keeling who led the Stamps to their Grey Cup victory in 1971 has died at the age of 78.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/cfl/jerry-keeling-obit-calgary-stampeders-1.4497040
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What I don't understand is how the politicians have made the budget process so sadly political. This is about funding govt departments & not about forwarding political wish lists. Trump, the Dems, GOP, the Senate, Congress & both parties all share the blame for this. They're all idiots.
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27 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
No he wasn't, I am looking at the entirety of their game and Damon Allen was an average quarterback. People just got so used to talking about him as this all time great because of the huge career numbers he put up due to playing forever and a day, but it's the same reason Glenn has all those numbers, played a long long time.
Maybe we shouldn't even Judge Glenn so harshly for his lack of cups anyway, the Stamps still choke in the big game with or without Glenn there, 07 I firmly believe he would have beaten the Riders that day if not for a broken arm...
I just think that Damon Allen is over rated and Kevin Glenn under rated.
Maybe, shoulda, coulda. Then there's your last sentence.
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10 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
1 MOP and Glenn could have easily been MOP once as well.
Like I said playoffs are another matter but the legend of Damon Allen is far greater than the qb he actually was. Guy was always in the same situation as Glenn, he was good enough when you have nothing else but teams were always looking for better.
I already said there's a big difference in their playoff performances but regular season? Damon Allen was an average qb.
What season could Glenn have been an MOP? When the chips were done Allen won. With Glenn when the chips were down he picked them up. He has never won the last game he played no matter what team he played for. He's never been an MOP calibre qb. Especially compared to Damon Allen.
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51 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:
Allen has an MOP award, Glenn does not. Allen was a much better threat with his legs (a 1000 yard rushing season as a QB, 4 season over 830 yards rushing, 8 season over 700 yards rushing). Regular season Allen was better a better QB than Glenn when you factor in what a dual threat he was and what he brought overall to the offense. Then you add in the 4 Grey Cup wins and the fact that he was MOP in 3 of them and its no contest.
Allen took a lot of flack when he played & some fans seem to remember his laid back attitude on the field in a negative way. I think some believe that he didn't care but that was just the way he was. He was a competitor but he wasn't vocal about it. The guy is a deserved HOF'er. Glenn will get in due to longevity but he isn't anywhere as good as Allen was when he played.
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15 hours ago, 17to85 said:
Kevin Glenn and Damon Allen are actually pretty similar guys in my mind as far as regular season qbs go, the real difference is that Allen didn't have the problems in the playoffs that Glenn does. Now obviously they're very different qbs stylistically but I also felt they were sort of average qbs who lasted a long time.
Allen won Grey Cups in Edmonton, BC & Toronto.
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I also seem to remember that Rick Foley's brother was the same way on Rider fans. That he was permanently banned for similar behaviour.
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The sister of former Stamps safety Eric Fraser used to post on the Stamps fan forum. However, only when someone criticized her brother. Then she'd go crazy with rage. She'd fight, argue & insult anyone who thought Eric played badly. Which was most times as he really wasn't that good. Couldn't cover the field as he wasn't fast enough & couldn't recognize the play in time. One day Fraser gave up a TD late & the Stamps lost the game. Afterwards there was all kinds of criticism about how he played & she went nuts on everyone with anger & insults. Finally, I posted calling her an idiot, that she's embarrassing her brother as well as the Stampeder organization & not making it better for him with the fans by acting like a petulant child on the forum & if she didn't like criticism of her brother to get lost & stay away. Anyway, that seemed to work as she didn't post as much after that. Then he was drafted by Ottawa & she disappeared. So, I'll take credit for that. LOL.
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1 hour ago, 17to85 said:
haha I was just about to post that someone clearly hadn't had a look at the Montreal qb situation.
You can laugh all you want but the fact of the matter is if Nichols goes down we are finished.
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I've seen 7.
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12 hours ago, Sard said:
Well, if the preseason is that useless, why don't they just scrap it altogether?
I didn't say it was useless as coaches need to appraise talent while forming a team but you can't base future performance on it either as there are so many variables.
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Just now, JCon said:
Yeah, Rider, whatever. He wasn't always and still couldn't sling it consistently.
LeFevour can't even do that.
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4 minutes ago, Noeller said:
I've been wondering all week why the **** anyone wants Bridge or Vernon Adams around here.... Of all the things... Christ, I'm just as happy with Davis, and I'm no huge Davis fan.
I think it's because have the worst tandem of backup qbs in the CFL.
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1 minute ago, JCon said:
I don't think Bridge is "a much better passer". He's shown nothing but the ability to allude defenders and fling the ball, just like LeFevour.
Don't agree. He's a Rider so around here we discount ability by a further 20%. Bridge has a funny style of throwing the ball but even with that LeFevour isn't his equal.
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44 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Other than his citizenship, which doesn't matter given his position, what's the big difference between Bridge and a guy like Lefevour? Both suspect passers who try and get by on their athleticism. Did Bridge do anything that wasn't improvising on a broken play at all? Not like he's a fresh faced rookie in the CFL either, he's been around for a few years and is still the same guy he always was.
I just don't see the hype. Is it cause he came into games after Glenn ****** things up and was OK? Cause that's a totally different situation than starting games in the CFL.
Bridge is a much better passer than LeFevour. I'd take him over Le Fevour in a flash. I didn't know how bad he was until we played Calgary & their B Team defense. Conditions were bad but Nichols would have had decent numbers.
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Those dumbasses could shut down the government. What idiots. Well America, you get the government you deserve.
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8 hours ago, Noeller said:
there is a slight possibility I'm remembering the 2016 Pre-Season.......did Davis almost single handedly beat Montreal during pre-season one time?
Pre season? You can't use that for any real comparison. Defenses play vanilla. He might have been facing guys from the 5th to 7th round. Half the players from that game never made it to the regular season.
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I'd throw up if Bond became a Rider.
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7 hours ago, Blueandgold said:
I can just imagine the 2018 Bombers trotting our there with Sam Hurl and Patrick Neufeld as starters like it’s 2015.
Why wouldn't they? They brought back Hurl as the starting MLB so why not go for the double.
Game 47 : Cold Feet @ Hot Coals
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Mike Smith played his ass off for the Flames. It should have been 4 or 5-1 for the Jets. Hellebuyck came up big in the OT & shootout. Nice win. Now on to Vancouver for the Canuckleheads.