9 minutes ago, Mark F said:

yah, you really don't have to know a lot about the game, to recognize a well coached defence such as Ottawa has. Sask receivers could not get open.

ah well.

Thanks Osh. 

1 hour ago, johnzo said:

why is Harris still in? Redblacks should be giving Davis some snaps...

No disrespect but who cares about Davis?

We could have had Noel Thorpe... 

Mason looking like Sweetness in garbage time. 

7 minutes ago, do or die said:

The good ole days when Rider fans were bragging about.....their QB depth.

Karma's a *****.

Sad story really... Michaels was a POS to a lot of people in the business. 

13 hours ago, Adrenaline_x said:

Yah.. that fine.. Friends can call friends out when they say stupid ****.  But friends dont flip on friends and call them stupid, trolls, or non-fans.  I have no issues with people disagreeing and arguing with something they don't agree with. That what i love about Forums like this.  But, when people revert to name calling and belidiling and telling people to leave, its a different situations. 

 

 

Well, I read that as a comment aimed at calling me out & I don't appreciate it as I feel you're targeting me without actually saying my name. As well as being unfair. Please leave me out of your disagreement  with 17to85. I really don't care about Burgess anymore.  He's just another member here & means nothing else to me. Just a random fan with an opinion.

 

 

28 minutes ago, Goalie said:

I dunno. It depends what he does moving forward . But sounds like he was a huge pain in the ass. He brought guys back because money.. Cass hasnt drawn ****. 

Being with Enzo killed Cass. Then the injury & subsequent bad attitude. Vince loves his big men so if he makes a name for himself elsewhere like Drew McIntyre did why not? 

15 minutes ago, Goalie said:

For sure. But it sounds like their personalities were the problem. Plus stupidity. 

Vince McMahon has brought other guys back who have done worse so I expect we'll see Big Cass again at some point in the future. 

28 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Young matched the guys stupidity by going out of his way and taking a run at him.  He deserves to get sued, what he did was unnecessary.  Totally different ball game if the guy runs up to players.  You can’t just assault people for fun because they are idiots.

Don't agree the player deserves to be sued.  The guy was drunk in public & taken off his pants running aimlessly around. Maybe if BC Place security had done their job. Oh wait, in  Snowflake, BC they did do their job. They let him on the field to run around.  The guy deserved getting smoked.  This is all about the lawyers seeing money to be made. 

3 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Most NXT talent have worked the Indies for years. Enzo and Cass got called up cuz they were insanely over. Perhaps it went to their heads.. But i feel if a guys a ******, hes a ******. Age is irrelevant

I think it was obvious that it went to their heads. 

Seems to me a lot of these young wrestlers like Big Cass & Enzo are given things too much too soon compared to wrestlers of 25-30 years ago. How old is Big Cass? Twenty four?? He should still be honing his craft in the Indies & not the WWE. Used to be that a wrestler could learn the business & his skills wrestling in an independent circuit like in Memphis, the NWA or AWA for many years. Now, they impress on NXT & get bumped up to the main roster. That's why I never get excited about the talent coming up from NXT & they aren't ready. 

We need to keep this thread open. 

13 hours ago, Rod Black said:

At MBB, is it now ok to call Riderfans idiots? 

I stopped going over to Rider Fans over a decade ago. 

Trump wants to have a military space division. They can build a wall to protect from truly illegal aliens.  The Martians will pay for it. Here is the first design rendering.

6 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Sounds like Bond will be playing tackle for the Eskimos which makes him a little less terrifying.

Guess we'll find out if he can play tackle.  Too bad we couldn't have kept him. I'll always think of the guy as one of the reasons we went from a bad team to a very good team. So, he'll always have a soft spot with me as a Bomber fan. 

22 minutes ago, pigseye said:

Never mind trade, they are the most vile offenders of human rights on the planet and our Turd PM admires their basic dictatorship, what a complete ******* moron,

With China you don't even need to try,

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2018/country-chapters/china-and-tibet

Why would you even attempt to defend the PM on this. China should never be held up as a shining example of anything, they are a brutal regime devoid of any human decency.

 

They make things. 

21 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

You're acting like a Riders fan! Comparing a first game QB to Brock is absolutely freaking ridiculous and it doesn't matter which QB you choose. Picking any QB as a comparator after a single game is completely stupid and you should know that considering the number of QB's you've seen in your life. Take a deep breath and wait for a few games before you make comparisons.

You once told me that it was great to talk about the bombers without the personal attacks and name calling. Calling me stupid shows that you actually meant it's nice to have someone on your side when you argue with others. Congrats. You're now a member of the Positrons. I hope they accept you unconditionally and completely, cuz I'm done with you dude.

Chow.

You think I appreciated being told I need to read your comments more slowly? You basically said that I was unable to comprehend what you said. I defended you more times than I remember when others ganged up on you here but I'm done with that now. I stuck my neck out for you plenty of times in the past & created hard feelings with others by doing it but I thought it was the right thing to do.  Here & at  Our Bombers. I'll be watching with much glee you trying to make a contrary point here & less & less people come to your defense. Have at it & have fun. 

And just to be clear, I said you were  being stupid with your comments. As in acting stupid.  I didn't say you are stupid. Big difference. 

 

So, some random writer who won't put his name on a story ranks Streveler last. By you quoting that story, it tells me that you think it somehow validates what you've been saying. Well, it doesn't. You do seem pleased by it, though. Drew Willy played his typical game. Play not to lose but not to win. Dumb interception at the worst possible time. I'm not surprised with Streveler's ranking & I'm okay with it. .  I'd have put Streveler ahead of Willy based on Willy's  lacklustre performance. 

As a rookie, Streveler will have his ups & downs. What's needed is patience & a willingness by fans to understand that learning our offense & reading defenses, finding a receiver & making the right throw will take time. He should improve the more reps he gets in practice & with more playing time.  Dieter Brock had to wait an entire year before he got his second start but when he did he made the most of it.  Streveler has at least another 5 games to show what he's got as a qb & if he can make the most of it as well.  Those 5 games will be invaluable experience wise for him. 

46 minutes ago, Mr Dee said:

I can’t answer for D or D, but my feature, In Case You Missed It will be on hiatus for a bit while I go on the 6 game IR. It’s a bit of a process to put together that bit and I’m fighting some health issues at this time. I’ll be checking in daily with some minor stuff..and I hope that works out.

Get well, man. Just remember the season is a marathon not a race.

On September 2, 1974,  just hours after quarterback Don Jonas had guided the Blue Bombers to a last play win on Labour Day over the Saskatchewan Roughriders at Taylor Field, he was traded to the Hamilton Tiger Cats for qb Chuck Ealey.  He was informed of the trade after the plane carrying the Bombers back to Winnipeg had landed just before midnight.  ( I was on that Air Canada flight in case you're interested). As Ealey wasn't ready to play their next game vs the Edmonton Eskimos, the Bombers started their rookie backup qb Dieter Brock, fresh out of college from  Jacksonville State with zero pro playing experience.

Six days later on September 8, 1974 at Clarke Stadium, Dieter Brock was at the helm of the Blue Bombers for the very first time & for the only time that season as the Bombers starting qb .  He got  hammered as the Eskimos blitzed the crap out of their defense. Brock was either on his back or running for his life the entire game.  His stats reflected how he was manhandled by the Esks defense. He attempted 27 passes, completed 12 for 176 yards, two interceptions, zero tds, a 44% completion average with a qb rating of 35.4. It would be almost an entire year before Brock would have another start against the Montreal Alouettes in September of 1975 at the Autostade after Ealey was traded to the Toronto Argonauts.  Brock would then be the full time Bomber starter for the next 9 seasons. 

I watched that game back in 1974. Brock was hurried, hit & harassed on nearly every passing play the entire game. He looked totally lost playing against that Eskimo defense that day. Little or nothing worked for Brock that game as the Bombers lost 24-2. I actually felt sorry for Brock as he just couldn't handle what the Eskimos defense did to him.  It was a tough, tough day for Brock.

Obviously Brock learned from everything he went through that day as he became a CFL HOF qb with 34,830 yards passing, 210 touchdown passes & a 57% completion average during his career.  He was the CFL's leading passer in 1978,  80,  81 &  84.  On October 3, 1981 Brock attempted 48 passes, completed 41, 16 of those consecutively with an 87% completion average. He surgically dissected the Ottawa Rough Riders defense that day in one of the finest performances by a qb that I have ever seen. He was the CFL's West Division's All Star qb from 1980-82 & an All Canadian in 1980 & 81. He won the Jeff Nicklin Trophy as the West Division's MVP & was a back to back  Schenley Award winner as the CFL's Most Outstanding Player in 1980 & 81. Brock was elected to the Canadian Football Hall Of Fame in 1995. 

Tburg, had you watched that game when Brock got his ass handed to him in 1974 you'd never have thought he'd have any kind of CFL career. Compared to Brock's first start,  Streveler looked 10 times better. He didn't panic & showed a lot of poise.  He threw 3 TD passes compared to zero for Brock.  So, comparing Streveler to Brock in their first game as starting qbs out of college is more accurate than comparing Brock to Tom Wilkinson back in 1974 or Streveler to Mike Reilly last Thursday night. 

I also seem to remember that the game in Edmonton 44 years ago was a cold, rainy day as well. 

26 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

Read slowly. Then read my reply to you. You're obviously reading something into what I'm writing instead of what's actually there.

I truly don't know what you're saying. You compare a CFL rook with no experience to a 6 year multiple CFL all star, Grey Cup champ & MOP & say we should be comparing Streveler's stats to Reilly's 408 yard passing performance & admit he came up short.  So, therefore he didn't play well at all. That's how I read what you said & I can't make any sense of it.

I was pleased by Streveler's performance. He threw 3 TD passes & I'm happy with that.  I think he did better than just okay & I expected Reilly would outplay him. anyway  As far as saying Willy had  better stats but we all dump on him? Well again DW is a veteran qb but he plays timidly. He tries to play safe but invariably screws up as he did last night with that pick.  He won't take chances then throws the game away with dumb decisions. He plays not to lose which he usually does & not to win which he rarely does. Willy's had his run & it hasn't been very good. That's how I look at Drew Willy as a CFL qb,

I see POTENTIALLY a much better upside to Streveler than there ever was with Willy.  More  athletic, the ability to run with the ball & a strong arm. Will he ever reach his full potential? Damned if I know but we'll see how he is developed after Nichols gets back. 

1 minute ago, TBURGESS said:

That's not what I was doing and you know it. I don't expect Streveler to have Reilly's stats or game. I do expect he will get better with reps and experience. I don't think that 1 game in a monsoon against a team without half it's DB's is a realistic yardstick for any QB. Good game or not.

Like I said, I don't get your point. Are you saying Streveler did or didn't have a good game? Decent game? Poor game? Were you satisfied with Streveler's play? I think if you compare most CFL qbs to Reilly they'll come up short on a good day.  

 

3 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

If you think that about 50% completions, under 180 yards, 3 TD's with 2 INT's is a good to great game for any pro QB, that's fine as long as you use the same criteria for other teams young QB's.

I suspect you'd be laughing at the Riders or the Als if one of their young guns lost a game with those stats.I know folks think that Jennings sucks. His stats are better. Willy sucks. His stats are better. Bridge runs hot and cold. His stats are better.

I like what I saw in Streveler, but I've seen young QB's have good first games then not be able to keep it up. Lets not suggest, like one poster, that we look to trade Nichols. Lets not suggest that he's our Franklin or the best player that Walters has brought in. Lets wait for a few weeks to see what we have before we overload the bandwagon.

I have no idea what your point is here? I really don't. 

4 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

Almost everyone is saying what a great game he had. I used Reilly as a comparison of what a good to great QB's stats look like on the same crappy wet night.

I see the first pick differently. Surprise eh? Both Woli and Sherritt came back to the ball. Sherritt made the better play and took the ball away. That being said, Streveler tried, unsuccessfully, to force the ball into a very small spot. The second INT didn't make any difference to the game, but it was still an INT.

I'm sure everyone can agree that Willy, a QB that is universally considered to be bad, had a bad game against BC. He threw for 100+ more yards, had 1 less INT and a significantly better completion % (71.4% vs 53.6%). I'm simply saying that we should hold our QB to the same standards that we hold other teams QB's to.

 

But you can't hold a rookie with no experience to a player who is a GC winner, GC MVP, CFL All Star & League MOP. You just can't.  You compare Streveler's performance to the performances of other inexperienced qbs in a similar situation.  That is the only fair way to do it that makes any sense.