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I completely disagree with you. 
 
I think the fact that there is a 5-page discussion on a players sexual orientation and not a single post saying or even implying "keep that ***** away from my team" is pretty fricken awesome. 
 
SEC defensive player of the year? Yeah, dude can clearly play football too. 

That's a good point. A forum I used to post on earlier this year has several members who were homophobes including a moderator. This place is much more in tune with modern reality.

The 10% estimate is not borne out by modern research.  3-5% of the population tends to be the high end.  But having said that,  they did a study a while back and found that virtually 100% of the people who play pro sports are human beings, which is exactly the same proportion of human beings found in the general population.  So my question would be, what makes you think that pro sports would be any different?

The 10% estimate is not borne out by modern research.  3-5% of the population tends to be the high end.  But having said that,  they did a study a while back and found that virtually 100% of the people who play pro sports are human beings, which is exactly the same proportion of human beings found in the general population.  So my question would be, what makes you think that pro sports would be any different?

I think that 17's use of the word literally falls into the category of hyperbole and rhetoric.   That said, I do think he overstates his case a bit because I've seen nothing on this board that looks like Etch hate.  Rather what I see is people (myself included) who simply think that Etch is not really that good a coordinator.  And clearly when someone spends 3 seasons on the sidelines, I think that its safe to say that that feeling is shared by a lot of the tall foreheads in the CFL.  I look at O'Shea hiring him as a rookie mistake, a guy trying to do a solid for his old mentor.  Commendable, but not really that astute.  Hopefully, O'Shea learns a lesson from this.
 
And by the way 17, Etch is no worse that Hess, in my opinion.

I think that 17's use of the word literally falls into the category of hyperbole and rhetoric.   That said, I do think he overstates his case a bit because I've seen nothing on this board that looks like Etch hate.  Rather what I see is people (myself included) who simply think that Etch is not really that good a coordinator.  And clearly when someone spends 3 seasons on the sidelines, I think that its safe to say that that feeling is shared by a lot of the tall foreheads in the CFL.  I look at O'Shea hiring him as a rookie mistake, a guy trying to do a solid for his old mentor.  Commendable, but not really that astute.  Hopefully, O'Shea learns a lesson from this.
 
And by the way 17, Etch is no worse that Hess, in my opinion.

No you can't make that leap in any reliable manner. So your point re: stats is correct. 
 
But the thing is, sexual orientation is different then race. You don't have a lot of black people in the NHL because there aren't a lot of black people tuned into it or growing up playing it. Or blacks playing lacrosse. 
 
Sexual orientation though is different. If you have a pulse, you could be gay. That's why the barriers are going to go down so fast. 

The 10% estimate is not borne out by modern research.  3-5% of the population tends to be the high end.  But having said that,  they did a study a while back and found that virtually 100% of the people who play pro sports are human beings, which is exactly the same proportion of human beings found in the general population.  So my question would be, what makes you think that pro sports would be any different?

Even if they report themselves as straight, they are still gay....
 
The question is whether or not the same percentage would be applied to professional sports, and why wouldn’t it be?
 
You could argue that it is a small sample size compared to the general population and the stats would be skewed somewhat, but by that rationale, the percentage could just as easily be larger as it would be smaller. 
 
Seems people want to believe that the percentage would be smaller because professional athletes should be more “manly”. 

I agree, most players probably DO have a problem with it. 
 
Doesn't make it right though.
 
Fortunately, society is changing very quickly. This will be a non-issue in 20 years. 

I think that blackout is the week leading up to the Grey Cup, so they should be fine

Has anyone heard the rumor that Drew Willy is going to Montreal???

Has anyone heard the rumor that Drew Willy is going to Montreal???

I think that a point that has been overlooked in the Etch saga is the fact that this guy has not been all that successful throughout his career.  One or two good years with Saskatchewan but even there, they quickly grew tired of his "mad genius" defenses that work really well until OC's get enough tape on them.  You'll also recall that Etch hadn't played in the CFL since 2010, even though he'd been DC of the Grey Cup runners up two years in a row.  There's a reason for that.  
 
I was not a fan of any of the coordinator hires that O'Shea made, but at the same time, I'm willing to bet that neither MB or Etch were the first picks for those positions.   I would hope that both are replaced, but that's assuming that better people come along.  Here's hoping.

I tend to agree with you Mr. Burgess.  I really got tired of O'Shea's answering without answering during the season and some of the nonsensical lengths he seemed to go to in order not o be seen "throwing someone under the bus".  As for Walters, I did like his comments in that he acknowledged that despite 4 more wins, they were not good enough.  Of course while he seems to say the right things, I'm not convinced he can actually deliver.  My main worry for the off season is that O'Shea is just a bit too loyal and is going to give both of his coordinators another year.  He seems to forget that when you hire mediocrity you get mediocrity.