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For what we're getting from Jones and Wilson we could easily swap one position to Canadian and use Americans else where... and j.jones may have lost his job i Toronto (injury related if I recall), but Tony Jones lost his job in edmonton to a rookie so why bring that up? The point is status quo isn't doing anything, time to see what else we have and if it's better great if not then keep looking.

Tell us brother. Osh and Walters both gotta go?

Not making plays is what got J. Jones his ticket out of Toronto. If you are rebuilding a team do you mess with the one position group that has played decent football? There is some kind of myth around here that we are not playing our best IMPs and that we are ignoring high calibre starters just sitting on our depth chart. That isn't the case. However, I can agree we need to try something to spark our team and shake things up, but putting lesser talent out at the one position group that is actually holding it's own is kind of backwards thinking. If we must mess with the roster let's do it at the position groupings we are sucking at which is quite extensive this year.

Linebackers isn't a problem, but it's not an answer either. They make tackles but they don't make many plays.

We know what J. Jones did in an entirely different D Scheme. However, saying he is better than T. Jones is not a given. T. Jones has been playing some good football for us, as has Kyrie Wilson. Our LBing is not our problem. Changes need to be made but I think we need to make the right changes. Change for the sake of change does not make us better it just makes us different. We need upgrades at receiver, OL, DL, and secondary although that is kind of due to injury. With Collaros out a new QB is in order as well. These are our problems. Agreed. Tony Jones has been one of our better players on D this year and where everyone got this idea that J. Jones is some kind of stud from is baffling? He is literally a guy that played himself out of a job in Toronto.

I think if they had run all game ;they still lose. This team does not have it this year.

That's not what pisses me off, do whatever you want, I get it taking care of himself, his family blah blah blah, fill your boots. You're a professional athlete providing an entertainment service to an audience and should be appropriately compensated. But just the curious human behavioural side of me pops up when a historic amount of cash is put in front of one of you and you have the luxury of waving it off with teams and people pandering to your every need, the guilty part of me would love to see what he would do if the offer was pulled with no other team offering anything. KHL? Take the offer? Retire from hockey? It would be fascinating to watch and yes I know it would never happen, collusion is sort of a bad thing I'm told. 🙂

But we've seen the same story play out for many games now. Giving the lions share of DL reps to guys way over 30 without much rest does that to them. It's like clockwork and totally expected. Bombers dominated with a heavy rotation on DL to wear teams out in 2019 onwards and everyone copied them. Now we're getting whooped with the blueprint that used to be the pride of this team. Watching the Hamilton back run untouched up the middle while Jake is huffing and puffing and kornelson is barely even a bystander on the play... sad. Also, we have no playermakers on defense. Tony Jones is making a lot of tackles, but no plays. Dbs aren't making plays, defensive line isn't making plays... I've got a lot to say about the offense too but we can't ignore the fact that the defense needs work too, just less work.

Which game was that? Jones has zero total defensive plays this season. But I guess being out there for a few snaps or even just on the sideline in gear had a huge effect.

Jones played WIL primarily for Argos and lost his job by October in 2 of his 3 seasons there (earlier last year, came back as an injury replacement for a couple games), wasn't re-signed. Looking at guys like that as being some kind of solution to a big problem is just a coping mechanism. He's another average body out there as an American player in this league. Not a difference maker, and we saw that when he was an Argo.

Team Win Team Game Team Loss Team Game No where being a football expert like some here but if you are consistently losing the lines of scrimmage on both sides of the ball, you usually lose, no?

Not sure about Kramdi but Holm certainly didn't beat anybody out - it was an injury that got him pencilled in as a starter. In his case, he didn't start until September 17th in 2022. Hallett and Taylor got hurt the week before, in the Banjo Bowl so Holm got bumped up (BA came off the IR as the other replacement).

I remember Darby falling off the cliff that year and everyone wanted him off the roster. I think Rutledge hit a wall or something and he was a surprise mid-season cut as well. I can’t remember which one Kramdi replaced either. I don’t mind Kramdi at all honestly, he’s serviceable, but to me more of a complimentary piece. I think the biggest problem on D is lacking any major impact player. It’s a bunch of lunchpail guys and 2-3 liabilities. That’s where I think we need to test out Connor Shay for one, he should at least be able to show flashes at this point. Jonathan Jones also isn’t an unknown, we know the guy can play MLB as well or better than what we have, we saw it when he was an Argo.

Coincidence or not. The O was kinda moving the ball in the 1st half. Not so much half 2.

I agree that Hamilton deserves a cup. But the team's ego in 2019 was over the top. #justdesserts

You know. Because of the Ted Goviea passing, I kinda hope Hamilton breaks the curse in Winnipeg this season. I think it would be a great story cuz Ted really did build that team. It would be something if they won it all. And in Winnipeg. Makes perfect sense really. Their D needs work tho cuz Brady almost won the game on his own and probably would have if Streveler wasn’t allowed to throw at all.

Because once again the defensive line started out ok but was totally gassed by the 2nd half. So yeah they started out just fine but couldn't stop Hamilton run late in the game at all. Teams are doing to the Bombers what the Bombers used to do tonother teams. Just wearing them down and winning the game late.

Yes he did get pretty banged up there it seems. He was definitely not right.

Can't remember which one, Darby I think. A move that was heavily criticized by some beating the drum for changes now too.

I’m not sure. Part of me believes Wade and Kyle are letting Osh sink or swim. Perhaps he’s lost the plot. But people talk about how much we spend right, wouldn’t Kyle be told how much he can spend by Wade? Maybe Wade went discounting shopping this season cuz grey cup game plus multiple sellouts and it appears those will continue = massive profit.

Kramdi, right. He came in for Alden Darby or maybe Rutledge Jr? I wish historical depth charts were easier to find.

idk chris injury at the end of the game looked brutal. He might come to the realization that he doesn’t have it as well

I can think of a few in that regard as well. Evan Holm, Redha Kramdi just off the top of my head got their jobs this way. Kyle Walters will be gone before O'Shea. If you are replacing vets in season for poor play, it is because you are losing. Other than this year, when has that been the case. When you are winning you make the hard choices in the offseason. That's football management 101. Unless a vet has been terrible and the next man up is clearly better you won't see this happening on winning teams. That has not been the case around here in all but a few times. We've had vets lose their jobs to injury though.

Perhaps Wade is thinking cash cow. I’d hope changes would be coming soon but how do I say this, I feel O’Shea was given a long long long rope, and Kyle and Wade are ok with O’Shea hanging himself with that rope this season. And you won’t really see any changes. Vets won’t be replaced, Streveler will get the reps, Wilson will dive into piles. Jake plays. Kolo plays. Bryant plays. Kyrie plays. All the vets will continue to play. Jake will play all 18. You know he will. unless injuries happen, there will be no changes. Shay and smith will get zero reps cuz those are Kyle’s guys. After the season is finally over at 7 and 11, and we sneak in the playoffs and lose, O’Shea will be fired, vets will be let go or not retained and or retire and 26 will be the retool. Walters as gm still but new head coach. Perhaps it’s Younger or Lapolice as coach next season. But I’d look at some outside the box candidates also. Perhaps former cfl QBs, gotta be a few around coaching somewhere not the nfl.

A few post-game thoughts… I was banished to the TV in the den after I swore up a storm when Streveler threw that first INT. The TSN talking heads suggested that Wilson missed an assignment on that one. I don’t know about that but I do know that injury, no injury or still recovering from an injury, Streveler is not the answer. He’s a deer-in-the-headlights, happy-footed, blinders on, can’t read a defense wannabe (used to be?) QB. Quite a few Bombers were slipping like they were on banana peels last night, Lawson Jr. in particular but O. Wilson and even Oliveira. Was it the turf? Did the training staff bring the wrong shoes? I don’t think that Hamilton had the same problem although I could be wrong on that one. We were lacking strength up the middle last night (most of the season?)….QB, C, the middle of the D-line (Lawson may turn out to be OK but Thomas and Kornelson, yikes!). Jones at MLB is adequate and Allen at S is still learning the position. I saw too many downs with two of those three Canucks on the field. And what the heck was Thomas doing on the field for that onside KO attempt? Oliveira does amazingly well considering who are blocking for him. I thought Houston acquitted himself well for his first start in a while. However, Lawson Jr. should be the next guy to be shown the door. O. Wilson looks like he’s coming along, too. This Woodbey guy looked solid. Where has he been all season? Rhetorical question. The still plenty of season to go but I’ve got a feeling that even with Collaros back, the playoffs are fading away. I wonder what Wade Miller is thinking right about now? I’ll be there to the end but it’s getting harder and harder.