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It certainly seems like hes able to use a lot more motion etc with Strev. Maybe he doesn't prefer it.....but he should. Moving forward I dont know how they don't utilize both qbs far more.

I’m not saying I agree or disagree but it would be very concerning if we hired an OC who prefers using the backup to the starter

I fully believe Hogan would prefer Streveler than Collaros. The Offense seems more dynamic when Streveler is in.

2023?

I did it last season...

We literally had a press conference held for the signing of Mitchell to introduce him. Now he’s a healthy scratch. He was also being touted as the replacement for the star we already had that we let walk. Someone needs to explain that.

Nobody believes Hogan with his apologies. When his son got into that crash which left his sons friend paralyzed Hogan tried to make it seem like they were the victims. Hogan has lied so much it's a joke, the dude tells stories where timelines are off by 10+ years or where their is obvious video evidence that it never has happened. The guy has never been sincere and has always beed looked as a grifter, backstabber (ask Jesse Ventura about that) , bad family man, sexual predator, etc... What is odd is that he has had real stories where the guy was genuinely good and nice and helped out people in need. But the lies and bad stories outweigh them by so much. Hogan is such a good guy that he never seen his grand kids and hadn't spoke with his daugther for years because he has been so busy trying to grift the Trump people into buying his beer and other crap. Hulk Hogan the character is/was a legend , but the person playing him is a shyster and very slimey.

When do we officially declare Zach as cooked and done? As I had posted in the other thread last season he had 14 TD and 15 INT's until that Edmonton game which was in September.... this year he's not improved. Are they obligated to pay him next season? I can't imagine it being all the receivers faults and if we require him to only toss deep bombs that are innaccurate then what's the point of paying him a huge salary when we can have anyone else doing the same thing.

Have to admit that I uttered a few f-sharps at the TV while watching the Bombers blow up last evening. A few observations: I checked the TO weather forecast before the game and the rain was predicted. The way the team was playing it looked like the were not prepared for the conditions. Vaval carrying the rock like he thought he was the Lincoln Locomotive. He's not and the resultant fumble is not just on him but on the ST coach for not pounding "protect the ball" into his head. The D-backs were playing too far off the receivers resulting in, well, a lot of Argo receptions. And, to me it looked like the Bomber defenders weren't wearing the right footwear for the soggy, real grass field. Too far off and a lot of slip sliding away. A lack of preparedness? Kolankowki has got to make sure that he has a grip on the ball. Parker, although he was slipping a lot, was still starting off in the wrong position. Too often he was moving away from the play so he wasn't much of a back up. I realize that he's a pretty good tackler but I think that S is not his position. Do we have anyone taller who might be able to step in? Given what's happening at the corners, can Parker slot in one of those spots. Tony Jones is not the answer in the middle of the LB corps. I think that he's too slow as is Kramdi, who also has developed a case of tackle-itis. The other Jones....Jon, is stagnating on the "one-game" IR. Surely, he can be fit into the starting lineup at one of the LB spots. The D-line played better last night. I think that there was more rotation going on. It took six games for the coaches to figure that out? I feel badly for Case as that may be a season ending injury. However, perhaps a guy like Mitchell can now slot in. He was a solid player for Edmonton and aside from being a sure-handed receiver he's also a reasonable kick/punt returner. And, what's the deal with Logan, also on the one-game IR since the season started. Sure the O-line wasn't at their best but, to me, it seems that Collaros is "too slow" and Streveler "too fast". Collaros can't get the ball out fast enough and Streveler is too fast to abandon the pocket. And, what's with all of his cross-the-body throws? There's more but I'll leave it at that. End of rant. P.S. If the fans can see the flaws in the Bombers, I'm thinking that Miller does, too. Is it time for him the call an all staff (coaches) meeting?

The first just under half of the game was extremely sloppy conditions. A lot of struggling to keep the ball, and guys slipping on both sides. Toronto was hitting us with big plays from the first drive though and it felt like we couldn’t do the same. Brady was running hard and picked up a few firsts on first down. But we didn’t stick with the run. We ended up in 2nd and long all night. Which left both QBs struggling to keep drives going. The secondary was shredded early and often, though the front played its best game of the year. The secondary, was also as soft as I’ve seen it in years. No one wants to hit, no one wants to form tackle, no gang tackling. Seems like we finally rotated the ends more, and when we had Lawson/adams in with person, we got pressure pretty regularly. Vaughters had his best game, Wj too. But our blitz scheme worked a lot better as well. Jones had a big night behind the line and made a great hit on a wr coming way way back to get into a play down field. Bridges was taken out with no injury report, or visible on field injury. Sounds like Jy finally pulled his ass for vaval. Who was still playing too deep but tackled a bit better and wasn’t getting stomped over the top. The Argos size at wr loomed large over our dbs all night. Griffin is the only guy who played with a bit of grit back there. Holms never been physical but now every one else has sunk to that level and lower. Parker couldn’t keep his feet all night and continues to struggle to get over on any deep guy. The experiment with him at S should be over. ol early was giving up a good bit of pressure and hits. Good gaps on one play then nothing the next. Rando was lost and whipped a few times. Neuf and kola struggled especially kola of course. Wallace was solid and it was probably vanterpools best game at T. Not good enough yet but improvement. Janarion Grant throw a pass on the first drive and it went for 40 and change. Zach didn’t surpass that till the final 3 minutes of the half. He hit one good pass for 40+. The rest of his play was junk. The start was a hot mess for every one, but after a bad luck bounce pick he spiraled and threw a bad pick again. Zach didn’t come out at half until after our first drive started, and then didn’t have gear on. No word on the injury, he did take a couple hard hits, but he was bad from the get go. Strevy was significantly better, I think it would’ve been a close game if he started and played the whole night. Hogans game plan wasn’t nearly good enough across the board. We had a couple decent wrinkles late but it was vs prevent. We don’t go hurry up till like 2 minutes in the game remaining. If we had gone to it with 5, we could’ve made it close. Strevy moved around well, threw on the run well, threw some nice passes and a couple not great locations. The wr core was brutal. Demski got banged up late and Corcoran looks decent, good hands decent routes. But aside from the one big pass, the Argos kept our WRs in front of them all night with ease. Sterns played decent but was being fed the ball a lot and could’ve done more. Both kr struggled a lot especially vaval, but no one was going any place fast. Sheahan had another solid night punting, hasn’t shanked in a while. He ran a fake and sidelined out trying to dive and reach but was way too late. It was a pretty bad punt fake for a guy who’s supposed to be an athlete.

2 of the biggest free agency signings were Mitchell and Jones... neither one can get a sniff on the roster and to me that speaks to a huge disconnect in how the team is being run.

We break down last night’s debacle. Available on all your podcast apps. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ5ercfudg0

I have no confidence that schoen will be close to 100% this year. He’s back on the 6 after the first third. If we got insanely lucky and made the gc maybe he’s close for that game with a reasonable amount of rust off. Short of some thing miraculous he shouldn’t be rushed to play and when he comes back should be eased in real slow if at all this year. We can’t afford to ruin him. I don’t think we’d give up the kind of ol they’d want for value, I’m not even sure they’d want our guys. I wouldn’t give up Wallace or the rights to manu in that situation. I don’t think Eli moves the needle for them, don’t think they’d take kola or neuf on age and health/badness. They let Lofton go last time. I don’t see rando or vanterpool creating value either.

Streveler's awkward throwing while rolling out may not have been completely his fault. The Bomber o-line was being overrun and either he or Jackson may have decided that staying in the pocket and getting set was not a good idea. If any incoming GM who replaces Walters re-ups O'Shea, that would be a very bad omen.

The Hogan hire and lack of swings in free agency were rightly identified as canaries in the coal mine at the time. Update: the canaries didn't make it. Might not have shown on TV but Parker was ice skating all over the field. He was often nowhere near the play because he kept blowing a tire.

1. Jefferson - Best half he's played this year. 2. Vaughters - TD and a sack. 3. ??????

Whats OShea gonna say,, We played like crap,and the players need to be accountable or changes will be made,? Oh wait thats Dinwiddie.

I know what you’re saying about Zach’s 2nd pick not being his fault, it was a crazy sequence of bounces that were very unlucky, but he caused that by throwing high to an open receiver. An easy throw that he needs to make. I think Streveler has the tools, but I feel like someone needs to correct his mechanics…. I can’t think of many throws last night that he actually stepped into. He’s almost always throwing flat footed or off his back foot. He has a great arm, but he could make more throws on time if he got back to his fundamentals.

Two things that baffle me 1 Every time we play Argos we get away from the run game, even when our achievers arent healthy ,2; Why has Parker become invisible,? The first 3 games he was all over the field making plays now even on all the deep throws hes nowhere to be found This along with our roster decisions are frustrating to say the least

I wonder if Miller and O’Shea would entertain a trade? Riders have a surplus of receivers (Bane and KSB returning soon). Bombers could send a O-lineman in return? Just spitballing here. Hope ZC gets back to good health, a little concerning seeing him out with his concussion history.

The fact that nobody has really addressed this at all is kind of startling to me

I would say Castillo continues to be great.

Disagree. For starters, Schoen may not be his old self this season or ever, for that matter, and even if/when Pokey returns, so long as a sub-par Collaros keeps getting put out there, nothing will change. Furthermore, none of this will address the defence which is more theoretical than actual. The defensive backfield is inadequate and the players who are competent cannot compensate for those who are blindingly horrible. Then there are the festering boils- Kolankowski and Thomas. Beyond all these issues, I see that the biggest liability is on the sidelines. Not only is O'Shea afflicted with rigid thinking, his choices of coordinators are highly questionable. These issues are neither new nor invisible and if we yahoos in this forum can and have seen them ad nauseum, the players who are living through this know it a lot more acutely. The players who c are have to be getting very tired and PO'd that coaching/management are blithely ignoring the problems and are doing damned near nothing about them. Why bust your ass if you know you are going to not only lose but be embarrassed? Blinded by his own ego. Zach was his (sign) now-usual self, and Streveler looked good enough to start the next game. But unless Collaros is comatose, he won't.

I think streveler is fine as a passer, I think the problems are 2 fold really, and applicable for both qbs... receivers not making enough catches and more importantly, there's simply too much pressure on the qbs. They're either running away or getting cranked.

In case anybody is crazy enough to want to see the Bombers play in Toronto, we had a car on our trip (family vacation) so we parked at Port Credit GO station and took the train to the stadium. Worked out really well. The site lines at BMO are great and the fans that were there are passionate and friendly, but I hated the physical seats. My back still hurts.