heres 2 trailers. havent watched em yet so Ill watch em with you. 

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1502712?ref_=hm_hp_i_2

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0369610?ref_=hm_hp_i_1

 

F4 traIler: 

 

Jurrasic World trailer: 

3 minutes ago, Noeller said:

aka the best batman there's ever been...?  ...Also, by far the most talented actor they've ever got to play Batman....

When the bar is set at Arnold saying Time to Chill.... it doesn't take much to surpass that low bar. 

Bale is talented,  but his voice and acting when dressed as the Bat made me laugh non stop.   Absolutely terrible acting on his part.   

I have not watched anything with Affleck as Batman so I could not compare,   Keaton I found to be better.

 

Affleck to me is the best Batman/Bruce Wayne hands down.  Wasn't a big fan of Bale.  He was a good Bruce Wayne but not a good Batman.

 

As for Wonder Woman.  I enjoyed the movie except for the bad guy.  They don't need to turn every god or super powerful bad guy into a behemoth of a character.  Ares did not need to be a CGI giant.  Just took me right out of the movie at the end.  Turned what could have been a good movie, into a meh one.

I really don't get fanboys getting upset and butthurt over inaccuracies in a movie adaptation. It's gotta be challenging as hell, if not impossible. to get everything exactly spot on from the comics.

I saw Justice League last night and it did exactly what I expected of it: to entertain for a couple of hours with superheroes vs. a common foe battling it out in epic fashion with amazing special effects and mind-blowing visuals. The story didn't flow well (much in the same way as Batman v. Superman) - I'm sure content will be added to the video release - but I enjoyed it all the same. It didn't drag, either.

It's a good, fun movie. If you enjoyed the previous DC installments, you'll enjoy this one.

2 hours ago, Noeller said:

Nolan's Batman trilogy was fantastic.....maybe the last time I've enjoyed DC stuff. I really liked all 3 of those movies and I enjoy the Gotham TV show.....that's about it for me and DC.

If I was DC, I would have based the DC Universe off of *that* Batman's universe.  Throw whatever money you have to at Bale and Nolan.  As it is, didnt Nolan stick around to produce Man of Steel, so he stayed with DC.  Doesnt make sense.  Choosing the vastly inferior Superman film to base the universe on was awful.

Barring that, cast a younger Batman and either skip the origin (since we know it) or recap it in some easy way and go from there.  Im not sure what the reasoning of this aged Batman is other then 1) wanting to catch up to Marvel or 2) wanting to use the Batman characters without establishing them, like Nightwing, Joker and Batgirl.  The new Joker sucks.  Batgirl and Nightwing could either be established in the first wave of Batman films or kick it off with like a 30 year old Batman who's been around for a decade. 

1 hour ago, Brandon said:

Yet you enjoyed the Nolan trilogy which had long periods of boredom and terrible acting by Christian Bale?  

I thought Batman Begins was pretty slow.  Dark Knight Rises had its poor moments too.  The Dark Knight was a masterpiece.  All in all, the trilogy was really good but I agree, Wonder Woman was better than BB and probably comparable to Rises.

1 hour ago, Brandon said:

When the bar is set at Arnold saying Time to Chill.... it doesn't take much to surpass that low bar. 

Bale is talented,  but his voice and acting when dressed as the Bat made me laugh non stop.   Absolutely terrible acting on his part.   

I have not watched anything with Affleck as Batman so I could not compare,   Keaton I found to be better.

 

I agree Keaton was good.  I only disliked that he wasnt physically right for the role.  I didnt believe that this skinny guy was able to throw guys around and have this impressive strength just because he was wearing rubber.  As a physiologically disturbed Bruce Wayne, he was excellent.  His Batman films were definitely 80's films though.

Affleck is really good.  He has the pretty boy charm Bruce Wayne needs and is physically imposing.   Bale is a better actor by far though and made Batman seem REALLY physical in a real world way.  But between the three DC leads currently, Gadot is the best of the three as an actor.

16 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

I thought Batman Begins was pretty slow.  Dark Knight Rises had its poor moments too.  The Dark Knight was a masterpiece.  All in all, the trilogy was really good but I agree, Wonder Woman was better than BB and probably comparable to Rises.

See, I thought Begins was much better then the other two.  It finally told the Batman story how I wanted to see it.  The Dark Knight was alright to me.  I didn't think it was that great.  And rises was just not good.

16 hours ago, blue_gold_84 said:

I really don't get fanboys getting upset and butthurt over inaccuracies in a movie adaptation. It's gotta be challenging as hell, if not impossible. to get everything exactly spot on from the comics.

I saw Justice League last night and it did exactly what I expected of it: to entertain for a couple of hours with superheroes vs. a common foe battling it out in epic fashion with amazing special effects and mind-blowing visuals. The story didn't flow well (much in the same way as Batman v. Superman) - I'm sure content will be added to the video release - but I enjoyed it all the same. It didn't drag, either.

It's a good, fun movie. If you enjoyed the previous DC installments, you'll enjoy this one.

No one cares about beat for beat.  They care about accuracy of the character's that they love and a good story.  No one wants to see a brooding Superman.  That's not who Superman is.  If you want to make someone brooding, make it Batman.  Or just make up a new story with characters we've never heard of.

Marvel doesn't follow everything exactly, yet they're succeeding because they get decent writers and directors and they have someone in charge who knows how to make a proper plan.  WB/DC is just so all over the place.  There's no plan it seems and they keep changing things every 5 minutes.  It's just a shitshow over there.

6 minutes ago, Logan007 said:

No one cares about beat for beat.  They care about accuracy of the character's that they love and a good story.  No one wants to see a brooding Superman.  That's not who Superman is.  If you want to make someone brooding, make it Batman.  Or just make up a new story with characters we've never heard of.

Marvel doesn't follow everything exactly, yet they're succeeding because they get decent writers and directors and they have someone in charge who knows how to make a proper plan.  WB/DC is just so all over the place.  There's no plan it seems and they keep changing things every 5 minutes.  It's just a shitshow over there.

I agree.  The issue is bringing in directors/producers who say "I have a great new idea for Superman..." Ummm, no.  Superman is Superman.  Can you bring Superman to life in a great way?  Great!  If you need to change him, hit the bricks.

Superman Returns was infinitely better than Man of Steel.

23 minutes ago, Logan007 said:

No one cares about beat for beat.  They care about accuracy of the character's that they love and a good story.  No one wants to see a brooding Superman.  That's not who Superman is.  If you want to make someone brooding, make it Batman.  Or just make up a new story with characters we've never heard of.

Marvel doesn't follow everything exactly, yet they're succeeding because they get decent writers and directors and they have someone in charge who knows how to make a proper plan.  WB/DC is just so all over the place.  There's no plan it seems and they keep changing things every 5 minutes.  It's just a shitshow over there.

After watching Thor Ragnarok 2 weeks ago it really dawned on me that Marvel's success heavily revolves around its infusion of comedy into the movies. If you took that out or at least the better delivery of it than DC does for the most part,  I think both Marvel and DC would be pretty even keel. I will admit that Marvel movies seem to have a better flow to them,  but I do think getting a good joke in and there every 15-20 mins alleviates some of the boredom a superhero movie trying to take itself too seriously inevitably causes.  I think DC tries once in awhile to add some humor but it's bland in comparison to the way Marvel executes their jokes

1 minute ago, Taynted_Fayth said:

After watching Thor Ragnarok 2 weeks ago it really dawned on me that Marvel's success heavily revolves around its infusion of comedy into the movies. If you took that out or at least the better delivery of it than DC does for the most part,  I think both Marvel and DC would be pretty even keel. I will admit that Marvel movies seem to have a better flow to them,  but I do think getting a good joke in and there every 15-20 mins alleviates some of the boredom a superhero movie trying to take itself too seriously inevitably causes.  I think DC tries once in awhile to add some humor but it's bland in comparison to the way Marvel executes their jokes

Yeah I agree.  They made the charm of the characters an important part.  So that translates to humor.  But its really in the charm and chemistry of the cast and the solid writing.  I loved The Dark Knight which was decidedly unfunny but tremendous.  BvS sucked, not just because it was joyless, but because it was convoluted, disjointed and boring.

 

That trailer looks alright, but I have such low expectations of it. Looks like one of those movies you can turn your brain off for a few hours and just watch a lot of anarchy.  I'm surprised they made this movie amidst movies like Kong, Pacific Rim 2, Godzilla..etc coming out recently and upcoming. If there was a time for this movie I'd have said 10 years ago, but now it'll likely get lost and forgotten pretty quickly

Edited November 17, 20178 yr by Taynted_Fayth

2 hours ago, Logan007 said:

No one cares about beat for beat.  They care about accuracy of the character's that they love and a good story.  No one wants to see a brooding Superman.  That's not who Superman is.  If you want to make someone brooding, make it Batman.  Or just make up a new story with characters we've never heard of.

Marvel doesn't follow everything exactly, yet they're succeeding because they get decent writers and directors and they have someone in charge who knows how to make a proper plan.  WB/DC is just so all over the place.  There's no plan it seems and they keep changing things every 5 minutes.  It's just a shitshow over there.

I agree with you on that. Marvel has definitely done a better job in that regard. I just don't think JL is as bad as some critics (and fanboys) are saying.

10 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said:

I agree with you on that. Marvel has definitely done a better job in that regard. I just don't think JL is as bad as some critics (and fanboys) are saying.

I'll let you know in a few hours.

I thought BvS was better then Man of Steel.

1 minute ago, Logan007 said:

I'll let you know in a few hours.

I thought BvS was better then Man of Steel.

For sure. Post your thoughts after and how it stacks up to other recent DC movies.

8 hours ago, blue_gold_84 said:

For sure. Post your thoughts after and how it stacks up to other recent DC movies.

Ok. Just watched it and I liked it. Not sure why it got that low of a score from the critics. Just gotta say, I really like Affleck as Batman.

Movie wasn’t perfect but it entertained me all the way through. Story could have been a bit better and the cgi was definitely sub par compared to anything made by Disney. Not a huge fan of how they portrayed Aquaman, and Barry acted more like Wally as far as his humour. But other then that I really enjoyed it. Yes there were plot holes but I didn’t think they were that big. If I’d rate this with Marvel movies, I’d say it was a little below Age of Ultron but higher then Thor 2.  Actually I think I liked it better then Ragnarok as I thought Ragnarok was a little hokey at times.  

I cant say any more as I don’t want to spoil anything. 

On 11/17/2017 at 7:21 AM, Logan007 said:

See, I thought Begins was much better then the other two.  It finally told the Batman story how I wanted to see it.  The Dark Knight was alright to me.  I didn't think it was that great.  And rises was just not good.

I really liked Begins and thought it deserves a better reputation in history. Also really liked Rises...much more than most. Dark Knight, though....that's about as close to a perfect movie as it gets. Both entertaining and critically acclaimed....Ledger's performance took it over the top. Bale, Caine and Freeman were already crazy good...

At long last the trailer for the only Pixar sequel I want has arrived (though it's more of a teaser than a trailer)

 

 

23 hours ago, Logan007 said:

I'll let you know in a few hours.

I thought BvS was better then Man of Steel.

Yeah but being punched in the face is better than being kicked in the nuts...

I haven't seen wonder woman yet but it strikes me that most of the praise for that movie stems from the fact that it wasn't a steaming pile like the two aforementioned movies. Damning with faint praise if you ask me. I think people really want to like these movies because they feature popular characters. I dunno I'll watch eventually and judge for myself but I really have no high hopes. I thought before watching Suicide Squad well it's no way it can be as bad as people say, in fact some people are defending it... nope worse than cancer, so I don't trust these people to put out anything half assed decent. 

I think part of the reason Marvel has worked is they've done a better job at casting. RDJr works as Stark and I'd be hard pressed to think of anyone who can do it better. Same for Thor, Cpt America, Black Widow and Ruffalo as Hulk (finally got that one right). Kinda like Stewart as Prof X and Jackman as Wolverine. Oh, And Reynolds as Deadpool.

Affleck as Batman is okay, but not a slam dunk. Can't even think of the actor's name playing Superman, that's how memorable he is in the role. Gadot as WW works very well.

Ahh. Got no plans tonight. Maybe I should see JL for something to do.

6 hours ago, tacklewasher said:

Can't even think of the actor's name playing Superman, that's how memorable he is in the role.

What's wrong with Henry Cavill as Superman/Clark Kent?

4 hours ago, blue_gold_84 said:

What's wrong with Henry Cavill as Superman/Clark Kent?

Nothing I can put words to, but he did not do it for me. Reeves was better at the Clark side. And I didn't buy Cavill as Superman.

On 2017-11-18 at 11:08 AM, 17to85 said:

Yeah but being punched in the face is better than being kicked in the nuts...

I haven't seen wonder woman yet but it strikes me that most of the praise for that movie stems from the fact that it wasn't a steaming pile like the two aforementioned movies. Damning with faint praise if you ask me. I think people really want to like these movies because they feature popular characters. I dunno I'll watch eventually and judge for myself but I really have no high hopes. I thought before watching Suicide Squad well it's no way it can be as bad as people say, in fact some people are defending it... nope worse than cancer, so I don't trust these people to put out anything half assed decent. 

Maybe to a degree. Expectations were probably lower.  Gal Gadot is so likeable and such a solid actor that even if everything sucked, she’s still be great. I thought every scene she was in in BvS, she stole

Seeing JLA today...

On 11/18/2017 at 11:03 PM, tacklewasher said:

Nothing I can put words to, but he did not do it for me. Reeves was better at the Clark side. And I didn't buy Cavill as Superman.

Spoiler

I found Cavill much better in Justice League than the other two where he's always brooding.

 

I think it would be reasonable to discuss spoilers now since the film is out.  But as a warning for those that havent seen it, I wont spoil anything yet.  (Or if I do, Ill use the spiler tag)

I liked Justice League.  Its sort of hard because I think I like it more than it deserves.  If I didnt know the back story of Snyder being replaced by Whedon, I wouldn't say I could tell but knowing it, you can tell.  There were tonal shifts and shoe horned scenes and it was uneven throughout.

The story telling aspects suffered from what I disliked about the DC films from Day One - that they just jumped right to the whole group.  So unlike Marvel where we got the stand alone films first and got to know the characters, we had to be introduced to Aquaman, Flash, Cyborg.  And even then, once introduced, we had to see the relationships develop because we didnt know any of them.  Other than Bruce and Diana, which didnt get that much in BvS, none of these characters knew each other.

I still think Gal Gadot is the star of the DC franchise.  They had a minor subplot about her being a leader (and references to Steve Trevor from the Wonder Woman film, so its worth seeing if you didnt see it) and it sort of spoke to the actual film in that the actor (Gadot) is better and more interesting than Affleck and the character (WW) is more likeable and "cheerable" than Batman (and Batman  is my all time favorite superhero).

Ezra Miller as The Flash almost steals the show.  He's a very likeable actor which is good because there were times when I thought the forced humor could be a bit annoying.  There was one good scene between Batman and Flash where the elder hero gives him some very basic advice about how to rise to the occasion and it was a great scene that was not really a focus.  But could have meant something if you knew about Robin (which no one does because they've never discussed it).  In fact, Batman recruiting Flash needs to be examined through that lens.  Because if we get a Nightwing film where a brooding Batman laments the death of the second Robin, it sort of needs reconciling with why he didnt seem to care about Flash.

But thats the problem with these team up films.  Not enough time.

Steppenwolf was well done in CGI and voice acting (great actor portrayed him).  But one issue DC has is that the other-dimensional stuff isnt very interesting and yet with heroes as powerful as these ones, what earth-bound threat could really hurt them?  Whereas in Marvel, you had smaller stories that built up to something so crazy it required all the heroes join forces.  And none of them, save for maybe Thor, is as powerful as DC's.

That also hurt Batman in another sort of plot that deserved more.  The fact he's the only one who has no powers.  It would have been easy for him to be the one that is the greatest of humanity but they save that idea for the alien Superman so Batman sort of gets a lame Tony Stark rip off without any of the depth or likeability to the character.  They hinted at him liking Diana.  But went nowhere with it.  They hinted at Flash having a crush on her as well, but went no where with it.

There wasnt enough time to slow down and have character moments.  Whereas in the Avengers, they DID do that.  And they COULD because we already knew the characters and also, Avengers had a more linear plot.  In Justice League they had to recruit the heroes, develop the relationships, explain back stories, explain Steppenwolf and then of course ...

Spoiler

bring back Superman from the dead

...Which didnt really resonate for me.  It felt too easy and cheap.  However, I will say that

Spoiler

as noted by someone else, Cavill seemed much better in this film.  He seemed much more the hopeful Superman.  The "bad guy" turn when he is first revived is interesting and I enjoyed seeing Wonder Woman toe to toe with him.  But it was also gimmicky.  Now, a bad Superman as the actual plot where Batman has to assemble a team to take him down sounds far more interesting.  But now they cant do it.  And wasnt that the foreshadow in BvS when Batman has his "vision" and was visited by Flash from the Future???  Is that just dropped now?

So it sounds like I didnt like it.  But I did.  And here's why.  The cast is really good.  As much as I like Batman and I like Affleck, he was the weak link to me.  Affleck CAN act but seemed uninterested in doing so here or didnt have the material.  He was just ok.  Gal Gadot is really a revelation in every way.  She's amazing.  Mamoa as Aquaman was great but his character was under-served by the land-based plot so he seemed sort of tacked on.  But he had some good lines.  He's the Thor of DC.  Ezra, a great Flash and you root for him as a character.  I'd heard Cyborg was uninteresting but I didnt feel that way.  I liked the actor and the portrayal.  Unfortunately, he's sort of a Deus Ex Machina type where I think he'd have benefited more from being a kid with some implants and telling that story.  Again, its like they had to skip three films worth of development because they HAD to have the team together.

There was also  a brief appearance of...

Spoiler

Green Lantern in flash back scenes.  None of the "current" versions though but it hints at their obvious plans to involve GL in the future

Without knowing what Whedon added, it would seem most of the humor and character charm came from him (at least it seemed tonally different from much of the main plot).  And thats really the key. They cast this film very well and the team is charming (minus Batman who is portrayed and stated on screen as an *******).  I think Im more interested in seeing stand alones for Aquaman and Flash than I am a JLA sequel, to be honest.  And ofcourse a WW sequel.  She's really the heart of these films now and should be written that way on screen as well.

There you have it.