Just like in years past when it counts, Pav can't make the big save at the critical times in the big games.
I'd go back to Hutch against the Canucks and see if we can start winning again!

So what should the Jets do for this season? Just give up?

Maurice has to start someone?

So what should the Jets do for this season? Just give up?

Maurice has to start someone?

Short term I guess you start the hot hand; and I'm not convinced that's Pavelec anymore. My concern is Pavelec's contract is holding this team back for the next two season, when we are primed in every other area of the team to make some serious noise.

So what should the Jets do for this season? Just give up?

Maurice has to start someone?

Short term I guess you start the hot hand; and I'm not convinced that's Pavelec anymore. My concern is Pavelec's contract is holding this team back for the next two season, when we are primed in every other area of the team to make some serious noise.

This club is primed? We have lots of young talent but far from any real superstars. This club is far from "peak" and even if we had a rock solid goalie I wouldn't think the club would be a cup contender.

He kept us in the game in the 1st period.

He kept us in the game in the 1st period.

And then he let in 4 goals and ended the game with a .867 save percentage. Yep, Pavs is back to his usual terrible self. Glad we were able to win in spite of Pavelec, but we're not going to score 5 goals every game. Jets simply need better from their goaltending.

He kept us in the game in the 1st period.

And then he let in 4 goals and ended the game with a .867 save percentage. Yep, Pavs is back to his usual terrible self. Glad we were able to win in spite of Pavelec, but we're not going to score 5 goals every game. Jets simply need better from their goaltending.

So who do they play now then?

Who do they sign in the off season?

Pavs contract isn't really an issue when our back up is still on an entry level deal. Pavs deal isn't even that bad

He kept us in the game in the 1st period.

And then he let in 4 goals and ended the game with a .867 save percentage. Yep, Pavs is back to his usual terrible self. Glad we were able to win in spite of Pavelec, but we're not going to score 5 goals every game. Jets simply need better from their goaltending.

So who do they play now then?

Who do they sign in the off season?

Like I said in an earlier post, we're stuck playing the hot hand now. And it's too bad but I think we're stuck with Pavs for the final 2 years of his contract since TNSE won't buy him out. If we could get out of Pavelec's contract, I'm sure there's lots of options, either through free agency or trade. Just seems like we're stuck with an anchor in Pavelec for the next 2 seasons. Not sure if Hutch is the answer and sounds like Hellebuyck isn't ready yet.

 

He kept us in the game in the 1st period.

And then he let in 4 goals and ended the game with a .867 save percentage. Yep, Pavs is back to his usual terrible self. Glad we were able to win in spite of Pavelec, but we're not going to score 5 goals every game. Jets simply need better from their goaltending.

 

How many odd man rushes did the Jets give up today...were we watching the same game? Which goals woudl you blame on Pavs??? Just wondering...

Pavs contract isn't really an issue when our back up is still on an entry level deal. Pavs deal isn't even that bad

So you think $4 million per season for a backup goalie is reasonable? If Pavelec were a league average goalie I'd have no problem with his contract. But Pavs is below league average. Over his career he lets in one additional goal every 3rd game, compared to a league average goalie. That's crippling.

 

So what should the Jets do for this season? Just give up?

Maurice has to start someone?

Short term I guess you start the hot hand; and I'm not convinced that's Pavelec anymore. My concern is Pavelec's contract is holding this team back for the next two season, when we are primed in every other area of the team to make some serious noise.

 

When you have 30 teams as you do in the NHL, you're not going to have elite, or even good or average goaltending on some teams. All it takes is one team willing to deal, and as was seen when David Clarkson was moved by the Leafs (Yes not a goaltender - but a brutal contract, one MUCH worse than Pavelec's), anything is possible when it comes to trades. To suggest the contract is holding the team back or is unmovable, however you want to put it is just simply not correct.

 

He kept us in the game in the 1st period.

And then he let in 4 goals and ended the game with a .867 save percentage. Yep, Pavs is back to his usual terrible self. Glad we were able to win in spite of Pavelec, but we're not going to score 5 goals every game. Jets simply need better from their goaltending.

 

Convenient how you ignored all of the odd man rushes in the game, especially in the second period (recall the Vrbata breakaway late in the second for example?). Pavelec made a number of big saves to bail out his blue liners. The Jets committed TWENTY turnovers - TWENTY and you want to blame the goalie. Hilarious.

 

Pavs contract isn't really an issue when our back up is still on an entry level deal. Pavs deal isn't even that bad

So you think $4 million per season for a backup goalie is reasonable? If Pavelec were a league average goalie I'd have no problem with his contract. But Pavs is below league average. Over his career he lets in one additional goal every 3rd game, compared to a league average goalie. That's crippling.

 

 

 

League average salary (not cap hit) for starting goalies is $5.16M   Pavelecs salary is $3.75M

 

He ranks 21st in terms of salary for starting goalies.  He is pretty much where he belongs.  You can't look at things in a fishbowl and complain how much we pay him, but it was a very reasonable salary they signed him to when he was still a younger goalie with potential.  His salary doesn't handcuff the team.  

 

If we were paying him $6.7M this year and $6.8M next year like Cam Ward makes, you'd have more reason to complain at his salary. 

He kept us in the game in the 1st period.

And then he let in 4 goals and ended the game with a .867 save percentage. Yep, Pavs is back to his usual terrible self. Glad we were able to win in spite of Pavelec, but we're not going to score 5 goals every game. Jets simply need better from their goaltending.

Convenient how you ignored all of the odd man rushes in the game, especially in the second period. Pavelec made a number of big saves to bail out his blue liners.

Ya that's called doing your job. Is Pavelec the only goalie who ever has to deal with odd man rushes? Every goalie deals with odd man rushes every game. That's the stupidest point in this thread. Guy has 5 years of NHL stats proving he's below league average. He is who he is.

So what should the Jets do for this season? Just give up?

Maurice has to start someone?

Short term I guess you start the hot hand; and I'm not convinced that's Pavelec anymore. My concern is Pavelec's contract is holding this team back for the next two season, when we are primed in every other area of the team to make some serious noise.

When you have 30 teams as you do in the NHL, you're not going to have elite, or even good or average goaltending on some teams. All it takes is one team willing to deal, and as was seen when David Clarkson was moved by the Leafs (Yes not a goaltender - but a brutal contract, one MUCH worse than Pavelec's), anything is possible when it comes to trades. To suggest the contract is holding the team back or is unmovable, however you want to put it is just simply not correct.

I'd love it if you're right and we could trade him. I highly doubt it though.

Pavs contract isn't really an issue when our back up is still on an entry level deal. Pavs deal isn't even that bad

So you think $4 million per season for a backup goalie is reasonable? If Pavelec were a league average goalie I'd have no problem with his contract. But Pavs is below league average. Over his career he lets in one additional goal every 3rd game, compared to a league average goalie. That's crippling.

 

 

League average salary (not cap hit) for starting goalies is $5.16M   Pavelecs salary is $3.75M

 

He ranks 21st in terms of salary for starting goalies.  He is pretty much where he belongs.  You can't look at things in a fishbowl and complain how much we pay him, but it was a very reasonable salary they signed him to when he was still a younger goalie with potential.  His salary doesn't handcuff the team.  

 

If we were paying him $6.7M this year and $6.8M next year like Cam Ward makes, you'd have more reason to complain at his salary.

Fine then, forget about his salary. Point is we're paying him as a starter and he plain sucks. He's terrible and his stats prove it. I'm shocked how many Jets fans on here are supportive of having a terrible goaltender.

 

 

 

He kept us in the game in the 1st period.

And then he let in 4 goals and ended the game with a .867 save percentage. Yep, Pavs is back to his usual terrible self. Glad we were able to win in spite of Pavelec, but we're not going to score 5 goals every game. Jets simply need better from their goaltending.

Convenient how you ignored all of the odd man rushes in the game, especially in the second period. Pavelec made a number of big saves to bail out his blue liners.

Ya that's called doing your job. Is Pavelec the only goalie who ever has to deal with odd man rushes? Every goalie deals with odd man rushes every game. That's the stupidest point in this thread. Guy has 5 years of NHL stats proving he's below league average. He is who he is.

 

And you are who you are...someone that is never satisfied and complains whether he has a legit reason or not. What's the matter, your husband isn't listening to you any more so yo have to come on here and complain?

 

 

 

He kept us in the game in the 1st period.

And then he let in 4 goals and ended the game with a .867 save percentage. Yep, Pavs is back to his usual terrible self. Glad we were able to win in spite of Pavelec, but we're not going to score 5 goals every game. Jets simply need better from their goaltending.

Convenient how you ignored all of the odd man rushes in the game, especially in the second period. Pavelec made a number of big saves to bail out his blue liners.

Ya that's called doing your job. Is Pavelec the only goalie who ever has to deal with odd man rushes? Every goalie deals with odd man rushes every game. That's the stupidest point in this thread. Guy has 5 years of NHL stats proving he's below league average. He is who he is.

 

No, the stupidest point in this thread is how you want to blame a goaltender for his goals against in today's game when we are without our top defenceman, arguably our third or fourth defenceman, and our second best d-man down the stretch. Is Pavelec the only one to face odd man rushes? Of course not. Hi Captain Obvious. That being said, those saves is what allows your team to stay out in front as often as they did. You want to give chances like that to Vrbata, Burrows, and the Sedins all game? Good luck with that.

 

There's differences of opinion, and then there's just simply not understanding the game you're pretending to know so much about. Unfortunately for you, you fall into the latter. 

 

 

 

Pavs contract isn't really an issue when our back up is still on an entry level deal. Pavs deal isn't even that bad

So you think $4 million per season for a backup goalie is reasonable? If Pavelec were a league average goalie I'd have no problem with his contract. But Pavs is below league average. Over his career he lets in one additional goal every 3rd game, compared to a league average goalie. That's crippling.

 

 

League average salary (not cap hit) for starting goalies is $5.16M   Pavelecs salary is $3.75M

 

He ranks 21st in terms of salary for starting goalies.  He is pretty much where he belongs.  You can't look at things in a fishbowl and complain how much we pay him, but it was a very reasonable salary they signed him to when he was still a younger goalie with potential.  His salary doesn't handcuff the team.  

 

If we were paying him $6.7M this year and $6.8M next year like Cam Ward makes, you'd have more reason to complain at his salary.

Fine then, forget about his salary. Point is we're paying him as a starter and he plain sucks. He's terrible and his stats prove it. I'm shocked how many Jets fans on here are supportive of having a terrible goaltender.

 

Missed the point again. No one is advocating for keeping him the duration of his deal. In fact I'd be willing to bet that most of the people on this board and Jets fans in general would be happy if we moved him in the offseason. That being said RIGHT NOW he is the best we have, and when you consider as Rich said that he's 21st in salary for starting goalies, it's not that hard to move him.

He kept us in the game in the 1st period.

And then he let in 4 goals and ended the game with a .867 save percentage. Yep, Pavs is back to his usual terrible self. Glad we were able to win in spite of Pavelec, but we're not going to score 5 goals every game. Jets simply need better from their goaltending.

Convenient how you ignored all of the odd man rushes in the game, especially in the second period. Pavelec made a number of big saves to bail out his blue liners.

Ya that's called doing your job. Is Pavelec the only goalie who ever has to deal with odd man rushes? Every goalie deals with odd man rushes every game. That's the stupidest point in this thread. Guy has 5 years of NHL stats proving he's below league average. He is who he is.

And you are who you are...someone that is never satisfied and complains whether he has a legit reason or not. What's the matter, your husband isn't listening to you any more so yo have to come on here and complain?

So the stats show he's terrible, and I'm the one whose complaining? You're telling me you're satisfied having one of the worst starting goaltenders in the NHL? Well I'm not.

 

 

 

Pavs contract isn't really an issue when our back up is still on an entry level deal. Pavs deal isn't even that bad

So you think $4 million per season for a backup goalie is reasonable? If Pavelec were a league average goalie I'd have no problem with his contract. But Pavs is below league average. Over his career he lets in one additional goal every 3rd game, compared to a league average goalie. That's crippling.

 

 

League average salary (not cap hit) for starting goalies is $5.16M   Pavelecs salary is $3.75M

 

He ranks 21st in terms of salary for starting goalies.  He is pretty much where he belongs.  You can't look at things in a fishbowl and complain how much we pay him, but it was a very reasonable salary they signed him to when he was still a younger goalie with potential.  His salary doesn't handcuff the team.  

 

If we were paying him $6.7M this year and $6.8M next year like Cam Ward makes, you'd have more reason to complain at his salary.

Fine then, forget about his salary. Point is we're paying him as a starter and he plain sucks. He's terrible and his stats prove it. I'm shocked how many Jets fans on here are supportive of having a terrible goaltender.

 

 

Not really a Pavelec supporter.  He is too inconsistent. He has bad instincts on what he does when the puck is behind the net.  Don't think he will be here past the end of this contract.

He kept us in the game in the 1st period.

And then he let in 4 goals and ended the game with a .867 save percentage. Yep, Pavs is back to his usual terrible self. Glad we were able to win in spite of Pavelec, but we're not going to score 5 goals every game. Jets simply need better from their goaltending.

Convenient how you ignored all of the odd man rushes in the game, especially in the second period. Pavelec made a number of big saves to bail out his blue liners.

Ya that's called doing your job. Is Pavelec the only goalie who ever has to deal with odd man rushes? Every goalie deals with odd man rushes every game. That's the stupidest point in this thread. Guy has 5 years of NHL stats proving he's below league average. He is who he is.

No, the stupidest point in this thread is how you want to blame a goaltender for his goals against in today's game when we are without our top defenceman, arguably our third or fourth defenceman, and our second best d-man down the stretch. Is Pavelec the only one to face odd man rushes? Of course not. Hi Captain Obvious. That being said, those saves is what allows your team to stay out in front as often as they did. You want to give chances like that to Vrbata, Burrows, and the Sedins all game? Good luck with that.

There's differences of opinion, and then there's just simply not understanding the game you're pretending to know so much about. Unfortunately for you, you fall into the latter.

Sorry man, you just don't get it. There's so many holes in your argument here. Pavelec has 5 years of statistics proving he's not an NHL calibre goalie.

Read these if you don't believe me (there are many more...):

http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2014/2/4/5377382/ondrej-pavelec-and-the-possibility-of-a-buy-out

http://m.thn.com/blog/ondrej-pavelec-the-worst-decision-the-winnipeg-jets-have-made-so-far/

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2205284-cautionary-tale-how-the-winnipeg-jets-ended-up-with-the-nhls-worst-goaltending

http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2013/3/6/4000798/winnipeg-jets-ondrej-pavelec-overpaid

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ondrej-pavelecs-goalie-play-is-the-winnipeg-jets-main-issue/

I don't think anyone disagrees with Pavs being underwhelming.

I just don't see the point of complaining about his play when the team is giving away lots of odd man rushes and when Hutch blew his chance at being the #1 guy.

Right now he is the best option. Two years from now he will be gone and Hellebuyck and Comrie will be the tandem... So until then we are stuck with him.

I don't think anyone disagrees with Pavs being underwhelming.

I just don't see the point of complaining about his play when the team is giving away lots of odd man rushes and when Hutch blew his chance at being the #1 guy.

Right now he is the best option. Two years from now he will be gone and Hellebuyck and Comrie will be the tandem... So until then we are stuck with him.

I don't disagree that we're likely stuck with him another 2 years.

 

 

 

 

 

He kept us in the game in the 1st period.

And then he let in 4 goals and ended the game with a .867 save percentage. Yep, Pavs is back to his usual terrible self. Glad we were able to win in spite of Pavelec, but we're not going to score 5 goals every game. Jets simply need better from their goaltending.

Convenient how you ignored all of the odd man rushes in the game, especially in the second period. Pavelec made a number of big saves to bail out his blue liners.

Ya that's called doing your job. Is Pavelec the only goalie who ever has to deal with odd man rushes? Every goalie deals with odd man rushes every game. That's the stupidest point in this thread. Guy has 5 years of NHL stats proving he's below league average. He is who he is.

No, the stupidest point in this thread is how you want to blame a goaltender for his goals against in today's game when we are without our top defenceman, arguably our third or fourth defenceman, and our second best d-man down the stretch. Is Pavelec the only one to face odd man rushes? Of course not. Hi Captain Obvious. That being said, those saves is what allows your team to stay out in front as often as they did. You want to give chances like that to Vrbata, Burrows, and the Sedins all game? Good luck with that.

There's differences of opinion, and then there's just simply not understanding the game you're pretending to know so much about. Unfortunately for you, you fall into the latter.

Sorry man, you just don't get it. There's so many holes in your argument here. Pavelec has 5 years of statistics proving he's not an NHL calibre goalie.

Read these if you don't believe me (there are many more...):

http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2014/2/4/5377382/ondrej-pavelec-and-the-possibility-of-a-buy-out

http://m.thn.com/blog/ondrej-pavelec-the-worst-decision-the-winnipeg-jets-have-made-so-far/

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2205284-cautionary-tale-how-the-winnipeg-jets-ended-up-with-the-nhls-worst-goaltending

http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2013/3/6/4000798/winnipeg-jets-ondrej-pavelec-overpaid

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ondrej-pavelecs-goalie-play-is-the-winnipeg-jets-main-issue/

 

Wow... I'm NOT arguing the last five years - Read my posts on the subject - Please point out to me where I have disputed ANYTHING over the last five years.

 

What I am arguing is that RIGHT NOW he is the best we have. I'm also arguing that RIGHT NOW considering what's transpiring infront of him is that you can't blame him for the goals today, nor could you blame him for the winner against Chicago which was tipped right in front of him, and you also can't blame him on the winner against the Rangers as Byfuglien got beat, and Krieder made a heck of a play (Which Pavelec was not out of position on - An assertion of yours that's again incorrect)

 

You say Pavelec is below average - Guess what - NO ONE IS DISAGREEING WITH YOU. He's paid 21st among starting goalies (Which is ALSO below average, which to your point of the contact tying the Jets down is also incorrect based on that.)

 

The bottom line is this - He is the best goaltender we have TODAY. In April that's not changing. Yeah it was fun with Hutch but anyone who knows hockey and knows what they are talking about knows that what Hutch was on was a hot streak. That's over. That's pro sports. Pavelec had a shorter one before the Hawks game, and Hammond had a hot streak going of his own going in Ottawa before his last couple of games. They come and go and last for varying periods of time. All things being equal (meaning taking hot streaks out of the equation), today Pavelec gives the Jets the best chance to win. Yes it's not ideal but that's just what we are faced with right now. 

 

Having said all of the above, especially with him being below average, if you're going to give guys like Radim Vrbata, the Sedins and Burrows time to have a picnic at the top of the crease, more often than not you're going to lose REGARDLESS of who the goalie is. The Jets got lucky today. Pavelec was a big reason why. The four goals he allowed could have easily been six or seven and that's not an exaggeration or a reflection of his play - That's a product of the defenders in front of him and the aforementioned twenty turnovers the club committed today.