The Unknown Poster Posted November 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 Wrong thread! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 I don't think The Orville deserves its own thread even though I like it. So, I threw it in here. Didn't like last night's episode, though. It was like WTF??? Looks like a lot of that went on between crew members & guests... Alien, homo & hetero, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted November 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 12 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said: I don't think The Orville deserves its own thread even though I like it. So, I threw it in here. Didn't like last night's episode, though. It was like WTF??? Looks like a lot of that went on between crew members & guests... Alien, homo & hetero, Orville sucks. But there is a TV thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 3 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: Orville sucks. But there is a TV thread. That episode was awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 Quote Topic: Discoveryville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacquie Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) On 27/10/2017 at 11:59 AM, pigseye said: Didn't they replace all the writers after the first year of TNG? Thought I heard that somewhere before. Maybe the Discovery will pick up but I don't think it will hold my interest that long. A number of writers did leave/were replaced in the first couple of seasons however there was also an industry-wide writers' strike during season 2 of TNG and most of the scripts for that season were old ones from TOS that were updated. On 28/10/2017 at 2:45 PM, The Unknown Poster said: I think it was Michael Piller being brought in for season 2 of TNG that changed the game. berman gained power and brought Piller in. Gene lost power. As a devote Trekkie I am obligated to point out that Piller was brought into TNG for season 3 as a writer by Maurice Hurley. He did become the show runner a few episodes into that season. GR's involvement diminished after season 1 and he had little to do with the running of the series by the end of season 3 although he did convince Piller to stay on after his contract was set to expire. Edited November 12, 2017 by Jacquie Brandon Blue&Gold and The Unknown Poster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 however there was also an industry-wide writers' strike during season 2 of TNG and most of the scripts for that season were old ones from TOS that were updated. Sure, and agw is real, how did that one feel? Call me when you get past fake news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 Well the first half of season 1 is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted November 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 Great mid season finale! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 35 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: Great mid season finale! What you doing Lorca? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted November 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 3 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: What you doing Lorca? I always rejected speculation that he was Mirror Lorca or something. But this raises suspicions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 25 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: I always rejected speculation that he was Mirror Lorca or something. But this raises suspicions. Is he taking eye drops so his eyes dont go back to white? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted November 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 11 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: Is he taking eye drops so his eyes dont go back to white? Like Stamets, you mean? Hmmm I think the leading speculation has been that Lorca is Mirror Lorca (the scar on his back we saw when he was in bed with the Admiral is reminiscent of the device they used in Mirror Mirror) and he wants to get back home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan007 Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 23 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: Like Stamets, you mean? Hmmm I think the leading speculation has been that Lorca is Mirror Lorca (the scar on his back we saw when he was in bed with the Admiral is reminiscent of the device they used in Mirror Mirror) and he wants to get back home. Explanation for those who didn't watch the original series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted November 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 11 minutes ago, Logan007 said: Explanation for those who didn't watch the original series. In TOS episode Mirror Mirror, Kirk, McCoy, Scotty and Uhura beam back from a planet during an ion storm which causes a Transporter accident. It swaps them with their counter-parts from the Mirror Universe. The Mirror Universe is exactly the same except the Federation is a Nazi-like evil empire. Spock has an evil gotee, the officers wear more flamboyant uniforms and their logo is the earth with a sword through it. The Vulcans are sort of slaves to the human-centric Federation though Spock is still First Officer. Instead of joining with other races, the "Terran Empire" conquered them. The Mirror Universe used devices called agonizers to instil pain as punishment. I think thats what people think the scar on Lorca's back is, because its a triangular device and I believe his scar was too. To move up the ranks in the Mirror Universe, you basically over-throw your commander. Kirk had over-thrown Pike to become Captain of the Enterprise, for example. Mirror Universe Spock was still "logical" and stated that the dictatorial ways of the Terran Empire was unsustainable and would collapse eventually. When Prime Kirk was still in Mirror Universe, he implored Mirror Spock to be a leader for change. That was the last we saw of Mirror Universe until DS9. We then learned that Mirror Spock had taken Prime Kirk's words to heart and rose up to become a leader in the Terran Empire and proposed many reforms including disarmament. Once disarmed, all the enemies the Terran's had made joined forces against them, especially the Klingon-Cardassion Alliance and enslaved Terrans and Vulcans. Enterprise also visited the Mirror Universe as a sequel to the TOS Episode The Tholian Web. In the TOS episode, the USS Defiant (not the DS9 Version, but a Constitution-Class ship) sent a distress call. The Enterprise went after it and found the Defiant stuck in an interphase, phasing in and out of the Prime Universe. In the time of Enterprise but in the Mirror Universe, we learn that the later Interphase was caused by the Tholians of Enterprise time creating a warp bubble or something and luring the Defiant from the Prime Universe to capture future technology. Archer's Mirror Enterprise intervenes (Captained by Forrest instead of Archer) and captures the Defiant. It was a neat episode because the Defiant was identical to TOS Enterprise so we got scenes of Archer et al on that ship and in the TOS uniforms. The Mirror Enterprise episode ended with Mirror Yoshi Sato having killed her way up the chain of command and was in control of the Defiant. The series was cancelled before they could re-visit it. The cool think about the Enterprise episode was it was entirely in the Mirror Universe, there was no event that crossed us over. Even the opening credits were changed to one more fitting the Terran Empire. Its never been said what split the Mirror Universe from the Prime but speculation is either the Nazi's winning the war (which doesnt make a ton of sense but it could have been a precursor). Many fans like to believe it was Kirk saving Edith Keeler in the Guardian of Forever episode. The original idea for an Enterprise Mirror episode resolved this issue by showing the creation. Originally, the concept was based on a Mirror Universe weapon called the Tantalus Field. In TOS Mirror episode the Tantalus field was used to monitor anyone and, with a push of a button, disintegrate them. It was plundered from an alien world by Kirk, giving him his great power in the Mirror Universe. William Shatner actually proposed the idea to the Enterprise team suggesting the Tantalus Device didnt disintegrate people, it sent them back in time to a penal colony. The pitch was Archer's Enterprise would stumble across this penal colony and find Mirror Kirk (Tiberius) there. Mirror Kirk would try to use the Enterprise' transporters to return to his Universe but finds it doesnt exist yet. Mirror Kirk and Prime Archer work together to determine the divergent point and in effect, creates the Mirror Universe for Tiberius to return to. That episode never happened because Berman counter-pitched Shatner that he instead play "chef". Shatner thought it was awful. The other cool thing about the Enterprise episode was it opened with the Vulcan landing scene from First Contact including using actual footage from the movie. But at the moment Cochrane tries to give the Vulcan salute, he pulls out a phaser rifle and shoots the Vulcan. I think the only reason the Mirror Universe is speculated about Discovery so much is Jonathon Frakes "slipped" up and said there was a Mirror Universe episode. Some people think Discovery takes place in the Mirror Universe (it doesnt) to explain the differences or takes places a third universe and that Discovery will eventually return to the Prime universe which will look closer to what we know of TOS. Brandon Blue&Gold 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan007 Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 (edited) On 11/14/2017 at 9:47 AM, The Unknown Poster said: In TOS episode Mirror Mirror, Kirk, McCoy, Scotty and Uhura beam back from a planet during an ion storm which causes a Transporter accident. It swaps them with their counter-parts from the Mirror Universe. The Mirror Universe is exactly the same except the Federation is a Nazi-like evil empire. Spock has an evil gotee, the officers wear more flamboyant uniforms and their logo is the earth with a sword through it. The Vulcans are sort of slaves to the human-centric Federation though Spock is still First Officer. Instead of joining with other races, the "Terran Empire" conquered them. The Mirror Universe used devices called agonizers to instil pain as punishment. I think thats what people think the scar on Lorca's back is, because its a triangular device and I believe his scar was too. To move up the ranks in the Mirror Universe, you basically over-throw your commander. Kirk had over-thrown Pike to become Captain of the Enterprise, for example. Mirror Universe Spock was still "logical" and stated that the dictatorial ways of the Terran Empire was unsustainable and would collapse eventually. When Prime Kirk was still in Mirror Universe, he implored Mirror Spock to be a leader for change. That was the last we saw of Mirror Universe until DS9. We then learned that Mirror Spock had taken Prime Kirk's words to heart and rose up to become a leader in the Terran Empire and proposed many reforms including disarmament. Once disarmed, all the enemies the Terran's had made joined forces against them, especially the Klingon-Cardassion Alliance and enslaved Terrans and Vulcans. Enterprise also visited the Mirror Universe as a sequel to the TOS Episode The Tholian Web. In the TOS episode, the USS Defiant (not the DS9 Version, but a Constitution-Class ship) sent a distress call. The Enterprise went after it and found the Defiant stuck in an interphase, phasing in and out of the Prime Universe. In the time of Enterprise but in the Mirror Universe, we learn that the later Interphase was caused by the Tholians of Enterprise time creating a warp bubble or something and luring the Defiant from the Prime Universe to capture future technology. Archer's Mirror Enterprise intervenes (Captained by Forrest instead of Archer) and captures the Defiant. It was a neat episode because the Defiant was identical to TOS Enterprise so we got scenes of Archer et al on that ship and in the TOS uniforms. The Mirror Enterprise episode ended with Mirror Yoshi Sato having killed her way up the chain of command and was in control of the Defiant. The series was cancelled before they could re-visit it. The cool think about the Enterprise episode was it was entirely in the Mirror Universe, there was no event that crossed us over. Even the opening credits were changed to one more fitting the Terran Empire. Its never been said what split the Mirror Universe from the Prime but speculation is either the Nazi's winning the war (which doesnt make a ton of sense but it could have been a precursor). Many fans like to believe it was Kirk saving Edith Keeler in the Guardian of Forever episode. The original idea for an Enterprise Mirror episode resolved this issue by showing the creation. Originally, the concept was based on a Mirror Universe weapon called the Tantalus Field. In TOS Mirror episode the Tantalus field was used to monitor anyone and, with a push of a button, disintegrate them. It was plundered from an alien world by Kirk, giving him his great power in the Mirror Universe. William Shatner actually proposed the idea to the Enterprise team suggesting the Tantalus Device didnt disintegrate people, it sent them back in time to a penal colony. The pitch was Archer's Enterprise would stumble across this penal colony and find Mirror Kirk (Tiberius) there. Mirror Kirk would try to use the Enterprise' transporters to return to his Universe but finds it doesnt exist yet. Mirror Kirk and Prime Archer work together to determine the divergent point and in effect, creates the Mirror Universe for Tiberius to return to. That episode never happened because Berman counter-pitched Shatner that he instead play "chef". Shatner thought it was awful. The other cool thing about the Enterprise episode was it opened with the Vulcan landing scene from First Contact including using actual footage from the movie. But at the moment Cochrane tries to give the Vulcan salute, he pulls out a phaser rifle and shoots the Vulcan. I think the only reason the Mirror Universe is speculated about Discovery so much is Jonathon Frakes "slipped" up and said there was a Mirror Universe episode. Some people think Discovery takes place in the Mirror Universe (it doesnt) to explain the differences or takes places a third universe and that Discovery will eventually return to the Prime universe which will look closer to what we know of TOS. Right, I remember the Enterprise episode and the DS9 ones. Thanks for the whole backstory though. That was great. Starts making sense that they're in the mirror universe at the end of the episode and Lorca is from there. Same thing with whatshisname being a Klingon. I think you're right about that, and that his mind was wiped or something into believing he was human. Also...naked klingon chick. Nice. Edited November 15, 2017 by Logan007 The Unknown Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 Wow, I have nothing to add to this... Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tacklewasher Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 On 11/14/2017 at 6:43 AM, The Unknown Poster said: Like Stamets, you mean? Hmmm I think the leading speculation has been that Lorca is Mirror Lorca (the scar on his back we saw when he was in bed with the Admiral is reminiscent of the device they used in Mirror Mirror) and he wants to get back home. Huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Well a good ep of Discovery last night. The Unknown Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted January 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Great episode with some surprises ranging from "I knew it!" to "Whoa!" The interesting developments: Spoiler - They are in the Mirror Universe first established in the Original Series episode "Mirror Mirror" - In the MU, Tilly is the Captain of Discovery, Lorca is a fugitive for killing Burnham, the Schenzou still exists but Burnham was the Captain (no mention of Phillipa) and Ensign Connor returns...albeit briefly - They download a data core from a wrecked vessel and learn about the Mirror Universe continuity, including the fact the USS Defiant crossed over to the MU 100 years prior. The Defiant was featured in the Original Series episode "The Tholian Web" where it disappeared "somewhere". Enterprise episode "In A Mirror Darkly" established that the "somewhere" was the MU of the past. - By the way, the brief "wire model" image of the Defiant shows a slightly altered Constitution Class ship. Whether this is a the new PRIME look for the big Connie (including the Enterprise) or indicates it was re-fit in the MU at some point remains to be seen - Ash Tyler is Voq. L'Rell, imprisoned in the brig of the Discovery tries to awaken him using a Klingon prayer but it doesnt fully work. - Dr Culber is killed. He does an in-depth exam of Tyler and learns...something nefarious happened to him. Tyler responds by snapping Culber's neck - They make reference to a "faceless Emperor" which many assume will turn out to be Phillipa! - An Enterprise novel told the story of Empress Sato using the Defiant to create a 100 year dynasty. The novels are not canon but perhaps Sato and Phillipa are related in some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said: Great episode with some surprises ranging from "I knew it!" to "Whoa!" The interesting developments: Hide contents - They are in the Mirror Universe first established in the Original Series episode "Mirror Mirror" - In the MU, Tilly is the Captain of Discovery, Lorca is a fugitive for killing Burnham, the Schenzou still exists but Burnham was the Captain (no mention of Phillipa) and Ensign Connor returns...albeit briefly - They download a data core from a wrecked vessel and learn about the Mirror Universe continuity, including the fact the USS Defiant crossed over to the MU 100 years prior. The Defiant was featured in the Original Series episode "The Tholian Web" where it disappeared "somewhere". Enterprise episode "In A Mirror Darkly" established that the "somewhere" was the MU of the past. - By the way, the brief "wire model" image of the Defiant shows a slightly altered Constitution Class ship. Whether this is a the new PRIME look for the big Connie (including the Enterprise) or indicates it was re-fit in the MU at some point remains to be seen - Ash Tyler is Voq. L'Rell, imprisoned in the brig of the Discovery tries to awaken him using a Klingon prayer but it doesnt fully work. - Dr Culber is killed. He does an in-depth exam of Tyler and learns...something nefarious happened to him. Tyler responds by snapping Culber's neck - They make reference to a "faceless Emperor" which many assume will turn out to be Phillipa! - An Enterprise novel told the story of Empress Sato using the Defiant to create a 100 year dynasty. The novels are not canon but perhaps Sato and Phillipa are related in some way. It's been a day so spoilers be damned ST:Enterprise's Empire ep should have not touched the Tholian story and just left a gaping hole in that universe IMHO. As for the Emperor and who it might be the biggest problem with this show is that spoilers are all over the place and they've all been right so far. ST: Continues did a twist on the Tholian web as well. Was expecting the R language from Killy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted January 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: It's been a day so spoilers be damned ST:Enterprise's Empire ep should have not touched the Tholian story and just left a gaping hole in that universe IMHO. As for the Emperor and who it might be the biggest problem with this show is that spoilers are all over the place and they've all been right so far. ST: Continues did a twist on the Tholian web as well. Was expecting the R language from Killy. Her “let’s not keep these assholes waiting” was hilarious. What didn’t you like about the Enterprise use of Tholian Web? one spoiler was kept very well hidden from this episode. It was a shocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: What didn’t you like about the Enterprise use of Tholian Web? With a Constitution like ship going back 75 years in the past that should have changed the future more so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 31 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: With a Constitution like ship going back 75 years in the past that should have changed the future more so. Never try to explain quantum time mechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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