http://www.latino-review.com/news/star-trek-exclusive-trek-is-going-to-return-to-tv

 

So, GREAT news, Trekkers, CBS is looking to bring Star Trek back to TV.

 

The last we heard of a Star Trek TV series, was around 2006 before the Abrams movie planted its flag and destroyed most of what we knew (except Spock and - presumably  the plot of Star Trek: Enterprise)  there were two competing versions: Bryce Zabel (writer, Dark Skies) and J. Michael Straczynski (Babylon 5, but I like crediting him as the good writer on The Real Ghostbusters) pitched a version called “Star Trek: Reboot the Universe” that actually made it online in PDF form.

 

The second was developed closer to the JJ reboot and was written by producer Geoffrey Thorne, novelist and writer on things like Leverage and Criminal Intent and was called Star Trek: Federation and was conceptualized with producer Robert Burnett, Bryan Singer (the X-Men director and producer of TV’s House among others) and Christopher (director of Mission: Impossible Rogue Nation). This other series wouldn’t reboot the Star Trek universe, but would vault it forward past the DS9 and Voyager series timelines into a far flung future where the Utopia Federation that we knew from other TV series had become boring and complacent.

 

Federation would have seen the titular group reduced to a mere peacekeeping force as the old ways broke apart. Vulcans withdraw from the United Federation of Planets and reunify with the Romulans, the Bajorans of Deep Space Nine would have also withdrawn and become a planet full of religious monks, like a “Tibet in space.” The Klingons wouldn’t be as warrior-obsessed anymore, but would instead be warrior mystics. The Ferengi would have a female Nagus. The Cardassians would have abandoned war and become an artist/philosopher race.

In essence, Federation would have advanced the timeline of the Star Trek Universe far enough in the future to re-define some of the characters that had been the same since the original series’ inception.

 

We don’t have too many details about the new Star Trek series CBS is going to get working on, but I spent some time filling you in on Federation, because it seems like the same people who made that pitch could be involved. Bryan Singer's name has been mentioned for the new CBS Trek as a possible Executive Producer through his Bad Hat Harry productions. While "Star Trek: Reboot the Universe" was invalidated by 2008's movie Trek, Star Trek: Federation still has a trio of enthusiastic producers, a script and a writer ready to go should CBS decide to give Singer the ahead to develop this new series. 

 

Robert Burnett is rumored to be working on a non-Trek project with Skydance Productions (Skydance worked with Paramount, McQuarrie and Bad Robot on M:I 5) and simultaneously keeping one foot in the Trek world. He's currently producing (one of the producers) a project independent of all previously mentioned parties,  Star Trek: Axanar, a 90-minute fan-made feature film about "The Four Years War," as mentioned in the TOS episode "Whom Gods Destroy." The film has scraped up and impressive cast and released “Prelude to Axanar” last year to show how this great venture can be pulled off on a fan-donated budget:

 

That’s the sort of Star Trek product Brunett can use as an example of how producing a reasonably-budgeted TV series set in the Star Trek Universe this day and age should be a piece of cake.

 

Back to our Federation three:

 

CBS is interested in Bryan Singer developing (and Singer reportedly loves Prelude to Axanar) and Federation co-conspirator Chris McQuarrie was still game for the project as of last December, if Twitter is to be believed.

 

As far as when to expect some sort of official announcement about who snagged the NEW Trek production job, that’s a bit tougher to predict.

 

Star Trek 3 seems to be the Trek Paramount would like us to focus on (Elba for Mogh of the House of Martok, right Simon Pegg?), Singer is only tweeting about making the new X-Men movie and McQuarrie is wrapping up the edit on Mission: Impossible Rogue Nation for later this year. The Star Trek: Federation story document still exists, though, and I’m told Geoffrey Thorne might have taken that treatment all the way to a pilot script before the project cooled, which would allow this show to get off the ground much faster.

 

For the sharp-eye’d Trek fan, all eyes are on Star Trek: Axanar (official site here) to show off what Trek on a budget can look like. If that can work and CBS can see it work, then we might get a riff on Star Trek: Federation. Either way, CBS is convinced it's a good idea to probe the idea of a Star Trek TV show, so TV Trek’s likely on the way.

 

I’ve been saying it since summer of 2005…

 

...no, I’ve been saying it since summer of 1990: There should ALWAYS be Star Trek on TV

 

Edited November 23, 20196 yr by The Unknown Poster

I don't think The Orville deserves its own thread even though I like it. So, I threw it in here. Didn't like last night's episode, though. It was like WTF??? Looks like a lot of that went on between crew members & guests... Alien, homo & hetero,

12 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

I don't think The Orville deserves its own thread even though I like it. So, I threw it in here. Didn't like last night's episode, though. It was like WTF??? Looks like a lot of that went on between crew members & guests... Alien, homo & hetero,

Orville sucks. But there is a TV thread. 

3 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Orville sucks. But there is a TV thread. 

That episode was awful. 

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Topic: Discoveryville

 

On 27/10/2017 at 11:59 AM, pigseye said:

Didn't they replace all the writers after the first year of TNG? Thought I heard that somewhere before. Maybe the Discovery will pick up but I don't think it will hold my interest that long.

A number of writers did leave/were replaced in the first couple of seasons however there was also an industry-wide writers' strike during season 2 of TNG and most of the scripts for that season were old ones from TOS that were updated.

On 28/10/2017 at 2:45 PM, The Unknown Poster said:

I think it was Michael Piller being brought in for season 2 of TNG that changed the game. berman gained power and brought Piller in. Gene lost power. 

As a devote Trekkie I am obligated to point out that Piller was brought into TNG for season 3 as a writer by Maurice Hurley. He did become the show runner a few episodes into that season. GR's involvement diminished after season 1 and he had little to do with the running of the series by the end of season 3 although he did convince Piller to stay on after his contract was set to expire.

Edited November 12, 20178 yr by Jacquie

however there was also an industry-wide writers' strike during season 2 of TNG and most of the scripts for that season were old ones from TOS that were updated.

Sure, and agw is real, how did that one feel? Call me when you get past fake news.

Well the first half of season 1 is done.

Great mid season finale!

35 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Great mid season finale!

What you doing Lorca?

3 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

What you doing Lorca?

I always rejected speculation that he was Mirror Lorca or something. But this raises suspicions. 

25 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

I always rejected speculation that he was Mirror Lorca or something. But this raises suspicions. 

Is he taking eye drops so his eyes dont go back to white?

11 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Is he taking eye drops so his eyes dont go back to white?

Like Stamets, you mean?  Hmmm

I think the leading speculation has been that Lorca is Mirror Lorca (the scar on his back we saw when he was in bed with the Admiral is reminiscent of the device they used in Mirror Mirror) and he wants to get back home.

23 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Like Stamets, you mean?  Hmmm

I think the leading speculation has been that Lorca is Mirror Lorca (the scar on his back we saw when he was in bed with the Admiral is reminiscent of the device they used in Mirror Mirror) and he wants to get back home.

Explanation for those who didn't watch the original series.

11 minutes ago, Logan007 said:

Explanation for those who didn't watch the original series.

In TOS episode Mirror Mirror, Kirk, McCoy, Scotty and Uhura beam back from a planet during an ion storm which causes a Transporter accident.  It swaps them with their counter-parts from the Mirror Universe.  The Mirror Universe is exactly the same except the Federation is a Nazi-like evil empire.  Spock has an evil gotee, the officers wear more flamboyant uniforms and their logo is the earth with a sword through it.

The Vulcans are sort of slaves to the human-centric Federation though Spock is still First Officer.  Instead of joining with other races, the "Terran Empire" conquered them.  The Mirror Universe used devices called agonizers to instil pain as punishment. I think thats what people think the scar on Lorca's back is, because its a triangular device and I believe his scar was too.

To move up the ranks in the Mirror Universe, you basically over-throw your commander.  Kirk had over-thrown Pike to become Captain of the Enterprise, for example.

Mirror Universe Spock was still "logical" and stated that the dictatorial ways of the Terran Empire was unsustainable and would collapse eventually.  When Prime Kirk was still in Mirror Universe, he implored Mirror Spock to be a leader for change.

That was the last we saw of Mirror Universe until DS9.  We then learned that Mirror Spock had taken Prime Kirk's words to heart and rose up to become a leader in the Terran Empire and proposed many reforms including disarmament.  Once disarmed, all the enemies the Terran's had made joined forces against them, especially the Klingon-Cardassion Alliance and enslaved Terrans and Vulcans.

Enterprise also visited the Mirror Universe as a sequel to the TOS Episode The Tholian Web.  In the TOS episode, the USS Defiant (not the DS9 Version, but a Constitution-Class ship) sent a distress call.  The Enterprise went after it and found the Defiant stuck in an interphase, phasing in and out of the Prime Universe. 

In the time of Enterprise but in the Mirror Universe, we learn that the later Interphase was caused by the Tholians of Enterprise time creating a warp bubble or something and luring the Defiant from the Prime Universe to capture future technology.  Archer's Mirror Enterprise intervenes (Captained by Forrest instead of Archer) and captures the Defiant.  It was a neat episode because the Defiant was identical to TOS Enterprise so we got scenes of Archer et al on that ship and in the TOS uniforms.

The Mirror Enterprise episode ended with Mirror Yoshi Sato having killed her way up the chain of command and was in control of the Defiant.  The series was cancelled before they could re-visit it.

The cool think about the Enterprise episode was it was entirely in the Mirror Universe, there was no event that crossed us over.  Even the opening credits were changed to one more fitting the Terran Empire. 

Its never been said what split the Mirror Universe from the Prime but speculation is either the Nazi's winning the war (which doesnt make a ton of sense but it could have been a precursor).  Many fans like to believe it was Kirk saving Edith Keeler in the Guardian of Forever episode.

The original idea for an Enterprise Mirror episode resolved this issue by showing the creation.  Originally, the concept was based on a Mirror Universe weapon called the Tantalus Field.  In TOS Mirror episode the Tantalus field was used to monitor anyone and, with a push of a button, disintegrate them.  It was plundered from an alien world by Kirk, giving him his great power in the Mirror Universe.

William Shatner actually proposed the idea to the Enterprise team suggesting the Tantalus Device didnt disintegrate people, it sent them back in time to a penal colony.  The pitch was Archer's Enterprise would stumble across this penal colony and find Mirror Kirk (Tiberius) there.  Mirror Kirk would try to use the Enterprise' transporters to return to his Universe but finds it doesnt exist yet.  Mirror Kirk and Prime Archer work together to determine the divergent point and in effect, creates the Mirror Universe for Tiberius to return to.

That episode never happened because Berman counter-pitched Shatner that he instead play "chef".  Shatner thought it was awful.

The other cool thing about the Enterprise episode was it opened with the Vulcan landing scene from First Contact including using actual footage from the movie.  But at the moment Cochrane tries to give the Vulcan salute, he pulls out a phaser rifle and shoots the Vulcan.

I think the only reason the Mirror Universe is speculated about Discovery so much is Jonathon Frakes "slipped" up and said there was a Mirror Universe episode.  Some people think Discovery takes place in the Mirror Universe (it doesnt) to explain the differences or takes places a third universe and that Discovery will eventually return to the Prime universe which will look closer to what we know of TOS.

On 11/14/2017 at 9:47 AM, The Unknown Poster said:

In TOS episode Mirror Mirror, Kirk, McCoy, Scotty and Uhura beam back from a planet during an ion storm which causes a Transporter accident.  It swaps them with their counter-parts from the Mirror Universe.  The Mirror Universe is exactly the same except the Federation is a Nazi-like evil empire.  Spock has an evil gotee, the officers wear more flamboyant uniforms and their logo is the earth with a sword through it.

The Vulcans are sort of slaves to the human-centric Federation though Spock is still First Officer.  Instead of joining with other races, the "Terran Empire" conquered them.  The Mirror Universe used devices called agonizers to instil pain as punishment. I think thats what people think the scar on Lorca's back is, because its a triangular device and I believe his scar was too.

To move up the ranks in the Mirror Universe, you basically over-throw your commander.  Kirk had over-thrown Pike to become Captain of the Enterprise, for example.

Mirror Universe Spock was still "logical" and stated that the dictatorial ways of the Terran Empire was unsustainable and would collapse eventually.  When Prime Kirk was still in Mirror Universe, he implored Mirror Spock to be a leader for change.

That was the last we saw of Mirror Universe until DS9.  We then learned that Mirror Spock had taken Prime Kirk's words to heart and rose up to become a leader in the Terran Empire and proposed many reforms including disarmament.  Once disarmed, all the enemies the Terran's had made joined forces against them, especially the Klingon-Cardassion Alliance and enslaved Terrans and Vulcans.

Enterprise also visited the Mirror Universe as a sequel to the TOS Episode The Tholian Web.  In the TOS episode, the USS Defiant (not the DS9 Version, but a Constitution-Class ship) sent a distress call.  The Enterprise went after it and found the Defiant stuck in an interphase, phasing in and out of the Prime Universe. 

In the time of Enterprise but in the Mirror Universe, we learn that the later Interphase was caused by the Tholians of Enterprise time creating a warp bubble or something and luring the Defiant from the Prime Universe to capture future technology.  Archer's Mirror Enterprise intervenes (Captained by Forrest instead of Archer) and captures the Defiant.  It was a neat episode because the Defiant was identical to TOS Enterprise so we got scenes of Archer et al on that ship and in the TOS uniforms.

The Mirror Enterprise episode ended with Mirror Yoshi Sato having killed her way up the chain of command and was in control of the Defiant.  The series was cancelled before they could re-visit it.

The cool think about the Enterprise episode was it was entirely in the Mirror Universe, there was no event that crossed us over.  Even the opening credits were changed to one more fitting the Terran Empire. 

Its never been said what split the Mirror Universe from the Prime but speculation is either the Nazi's winning the war (which doesnt make a ton of sense but it could have been a precursor).  Many fans like to believe it was Kirk saving Edith Keeler in the Guardian of Forever episode.

The original idea for an Enterprise Mirror episode resolved this issue by showing the creation.  Originally, the concept was based on a Mirror Universe weapon called the Tantalus Field.  In TOS Mirror episode the Tantalus field was used to monitor anyone and, with a push of a button, disintegrate them.  It was plundered from an alien world by Kirk, giving him his great power in the Mirror Universe.

William Shatner actually proposed the idea to the Enterprise team suggesting the Tantalus Device didnt disintegrate people, it sent them back in time to a penal colony.  The pitch was Archer's Enterprise would stumble across this penal colony and find Mirror Kirk (Tiberius) there.  Mirror Kirk would try to use the Enterprise' transporters to return to his Universe but finds it doesnt exist yet.  Mirror Kirk and Prime Archer work together to determine the divergent point and in effect, creates the Mirror Universe for Tiberius to return to.

That episode never happened because Berman counter-pitched Shatner that he instead play "chef".  Shatner thought it was awful.

The other cool thing about the Enterprise episode was it opened with the Vulcan landing scene from First Contact including using actual footage from the movie.  But at the moment Cochrane tries to give the Vulcan salute, he pulls out a phaser rifle and shoots the Vulcan.

I think the only reason the Mirror Universe is speculated about Discovery so much is Jonathon Frakes "slipped" up and said there was a Mirror Universe episode.  Some people think Discovery takes place in the Mirror Universe (it doesnt) to explain the differences or takes places a third universe and that Discovery will eventually return to the Prime universe which will look closer to what we know of TOS.

Right, I remember the Enterprise episode and the DS9 ones.  Thanks for the whole backstory though.  That was great.

 

Starts making sense that they're in the mirror universe at the end of the episode and Lorca is from there.  Same thing with whatshisname being a Klingon.  I think you're right about that, and that his mind was wiped or something into believing he was human.

 

Also...naked klingon chick.  Nice.

Edited November 15, 20178 yr by Logan007

Wow, I have nothing to add to this... Well done.

 

On 11/14/2017 at 6:43 AM, The Unknown Poster said:

Like Stamets, you mean?  Hmmm

I think the leading speculation has been that Lorca is Mirror Lorca (the scar on his back we saw when he was in bed with the Admiral is reminiscent of the device they used in Mirror Mirror) and he wants to get back home.

Huh.

 

Well a good ep of Discovery last night.

Great episode with some surprises ranging from "I knew it!" to "Whoa!"

The interesting developments:

Spoiler

- They are in the Mirror Universe first established in the Original Series episode "Mirror Mirror"

- In the MU, Tilly is the Captain of Discovery, Lorca is a fugitive for killing Burnham, the Schenzou still exists but Burnham was the Captain (no mention of Phillipa) and Ensign Connor returns...albeit briefly

- They download a data core from a wrecked vessel and learn about the Mirror Universe continuity, including the fact the USS Defiant crossed over to the MU 100 years prior.  The Defiant was featured in the Original Series episode "The Tholian Web" where it disappeared "somewhere".  Enterprise episode "In A Mirror Darkly" established that the "somewhere" was the MU of the past. 

- By the way, the brief "wire model" image of the Defiant shows a slightly altered Constitution Class ship.  Whether this is a the new PRIME look for the big Connie (including the Enterprise) or indicates it was re-fit in the MU at some point remains to be seen

- Ash Tyler is Voq.  L'Rell, imprisoned in the brig of the Discovery tries to awaken him using a Klingon prayer but it doesnt fully work.

- Dr Culber is killed.  He does an in-depth exam of Tyler and learns...something nefarious happened to him.  Tyler responds by snapping Culber's neck

- They make reference to a "faceless Emperor" which many assume will turn out to be Phillipa!

- An Enterprise novel told the story of Empress Sato using the Defiant to create a 100 year dynasty.  The novels are not canon but perhaps Sato and Phillipa are related in some way.

 

1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Great episode with some surprises ranging from "I knew it!" to "Whoa!"

The interesting developments:

  Hide contents

- They are in the Mirror Universe first established in the Original Series episode "Mirror Mirror"

- In the MU, Tilly is the Captain of Discovery, Lorca is a fugitive for killing Burnham, the Schenzou still exists but Burnham was the Captain (no mention of Phillipa) and Ensign Connor returns...albeit briefly

- They download a data core from a wrecked vessel and learn about the Mirror Universe continuity, including the fact the USS Defiant crossed over to the MU 100 years prior.  The Defiant was featured in the Original Series episode "The Tholian Web" where it disappeared "somewhere".  Enterprise episode "In A Mirror Darkly" established that the "somewhere" was the MU of the past. 

- By the way, the brief "wire model" image of the Defiant shows a slightly altered Constitution Class ship.  Whether this is a the new PRIME look for the big Connie (including the Enterprise) or indicates it was re-fit in the MU at some point remains to be seen

- Ash Tyler is Voq.  L'Rell, imprisoned in the brig of the Discovery tries to awaken him using a Klingon prayer but it doesnt fully work.

- Dr Culber is killed.  He does an in-depth exam of Tyler and learns...something nefarious happened to him.  Tyler responds by snapping Culber's neck

- They make reference to a "faceless Emperor" which many assume will turn out to be Phillipa!

- An Enterprise novel told the story of Empress Sato using the Defiant to create a 100 year dynasty.  The novels are not canon but perhaps Sato and Phillipa are related in some way.

 

It's been a day so spoilers be damned

ST:Enterprise's Empire ep should have not touched the Tholian story and just left a gaping hole in that universe IMHO.

As for the Emperor and who it might be the biggest problem with this show is that spoilers are all over the place and they've all been right so far.

ST: Continues did a twist on the Tholian web as well.

Was expecting the R language from Killy.

1 hour ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

It's been a day so spoilers be damned

ST:Enterprise's Empire ep should have not touched the Tholian story and just left a gaping hole in that universe IMHO.

As for the Emperor and who it might be the biggest problem with this show is that spoilers are all over the place and they've all been right so far.

ST: Continues did a twist on the Tholian web as well.

Was expecting the R language from Killy.

Her “let’s not keep these assholes waiting” was hilarious. 

What didn’t you like about the Enterprise use of Tholian Web?

one spoiler was kept very well hidden from this episode. It was a shocker

 

3 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

What didn’t you like about the Enterprise use of Tholian Web?

With a Constitution like ship going back 75 years in the past that should have changed the future more so.

31 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

With a Constitution like ship going back 75 years in the past that should have changed the future more so.

Never try to explain quantum time mechanics. 

10 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

With a Constitution like ship going back 75 years in the past that should have changed the future more so.

I agree. I subscribe to the traditional time travel in Star Trek where changes to the past change the present, not the JJ Abrams "every choice creates a new universe".  So the question is, if the Defiant went back in time 100 years, why was the Mirror Universe technology equal to Prime Universe when Kirk and Co. crossed over in "Mirror Mirror"?

The simple answer is, it hadnt happened yet.  Mirror Mirror was episode 39.  The Tholian Web (when Defiant went back in time and crossed over) was episode 64.  So when Kirk crossed over, the past hadnt been altered yet.

A more complicated answer is that it still should be different because we saw Enterprise-era Mirror Universe from their perspective.  If Empress Sato kept the Defiant all to herself and did not allow any reverse engineering or research to be done on it, then the advanced tech would not have spread.  As soon as she allows others to control comparable tech, she gives up her advantage.