First things first, I usually don't put too much into reffing and use as excuse, but last night was pretty bad. I'm more referring to the Ref's glee and happiness in announcing a Bomber penalty that had a big impact, more than all the non calls...but that was bad as well....and he has done that versus us several times...You are taught to keep emotions in check especially as the head ref and not show any kind of bias or what could be construed as such...I know nothing by league will be done or said about it but a fine or getting yanked for a few games should be in order

What started as actual optimism, and maybe a sense that we (coaching) have finally got it was short lived. and pretty much smoke and mirrors until the Edm coaching analyzed our game plan and made the changes to counter it....and we did not...again. Not a one off...it's a theme, and to beat the ol dead horse again but coaching (or the lack of) is our issue and it looks as if many are finally seeing it....Post game interview with Osh agian shows a total lack of...well anything...has no clue...his excuses are getting old and by game 10 should not be an issue anymore....just sad

Last game, we sorta rediscovered our offensive identity...that aligned with earlier wins, and our trademark in the distant ago glory yrs...we came out firing...actually expanded on it...did some real good thigs with the oline to make it even better...then just went totally away from it, or did anything unique off of it and went almost the whole second half before getting a single 1st down.

Now why the heck does the HC...Who has a headset on...a play sheet in front of him...has obviously been watching the game (i hope) not get on his headset and say "what the eff are you doing...get back to what was working" Just utter incompetence.... obliviousness to what's going on (you can see it on the sidelines with his clueless looks) and a lack of guts to get in a coach's face not too mention any player's...too concerned with nice guy vibes and not wanting to hurt any feelings or show doubt's....a very weak coach, and it foster's a whole lotta weak play....he show's no accountability, is asking for none....and a lot of the player's play with little...they know they safe....coaches too...I asked a buddy who was there to tell me the vibes on the Bomber sideline, and what he saw...Told me same ol Bomber sideline...too much casual attitudes...happy faces...nobody really coaching anyone up or getting in anyone's face ...no sense of any urgency or anger...Just the same ol same ol....what a shock

Our receiving group...putrid and won't take us anywhere...how much more do we need to see? Like really...What is making Osh Justify running Cobb and Nield out there?...Same with Daniels...Who for a shitkicker got trucked pretty easily on several blocking responsivities...again...Right on cue they basically did what they been doing all yr...combined gave us 4 catches for 36 yards. Not gonna be very successful when 1/2 your receiving group gives you those numbers....and wasnt just a matter of that the game flow dictated that...go back and look at their combined production over all 10 and see...its what they do...and for funnsies add in Corcoran's 6 games to it, and instead of an extra guy making it a bit better...makes it even worse...But what would you expect for a guy who would prob not make a JUCO roster

Also lost in this is Clercius who "apparently" loafed on a play gets benched and has hardly seen field since for Corcorran of all people,,,He basically catches every ball (85%) career catch rate and actually does his job in the blocking (Nield is the offense version of kelly/holm) who play like pre-pubescent girls...no offence to pre-pubescent girls but you all know what I mean...plus how many brutal drops now??

If he was being "punished" or demoted as a reason to get a bee under his saddle I think its time to flip flop him and Neild..cant be any worse than his 2 catches a game for 30 yards nonsense...at least we know he will make some blocks...

Based on post game interview...and actually you can see it now on the field but ZC is visibly frustrated with this group...basically called out some players without calling them out when pressed on some of the plays in his interview...he see's it...we see it...Coaching see's nothing...Interesting enough in the tail end of the broadcast Taylor and Brown said

that we need to do something with that group...and that there's a couple options available that we could bring in and haven't and no reason for not doing so....and also that we are not even maximizing what we have in house....another tidbit was that yes Osh refuses to use the Nationlized American rule cause he "doesn't like it" and that it is actually not benefitting us with him not using it...like what kind of a HC put's his bias ahead of the team...Smuggsy does...thats who....and it's painfully obvious in a lot of areas and should not ever happen...EVER...but here we are

We aint going anywhere anytime soon with Osh and his ways....not happening....and sadly this first quarter dominance is just gonna justify him to make no changes....cause we watched the film once again and figured it out...yeah right

The only change I see happening is if Nichols cant go....the smart move would be to Start Vaval, as he can keep up with MTL receivers...in Nichols spot bring in Texada I guess as that's all we have hanging around for DB coverage and Stuart for Novack... and drop Hazen for Singer who will serve a dual purpose...Inject some life into the WR group and give ZC another legit option and maybe open up some space and also help on returns...But that makes too much sense

Knowing osh tho...will prob bump Kelly to halfback, Start Hallett at safety and dress Jenkins for Nichols as ...well he's been here for 2 yrs

Discuss...................

Edited August 22Aug 22 by Booch

Condell is such a loser my god. There’s no shame in either A) keeping your mouth closed or B) having some humility. Sure we’re not 2005 Tee Martin bad but I find it hard pressed to watch the footage and say wow im really happy with how things are running. I don’t care if you’re the 2007 Patriots as a coach you should always be looking for ways to improve. Not make excuses, and then double down and be wrong like a moron. Time for a culture change.the cancer is too far gone to be treatable.

8 hours ago, Arnold_Palmer said:

Condell is such a loser my god. There’s no shame in either A) keeping your mouth closed or B) having some humility. Sure we’re not 2005 Tee Martin bad but I find it hard pressed to watch the footage and say wow im really happy with how things are running. I don’t care if you’re the 2007 Patriots as a coach you should always be looking for ways to improve. Not make excuses, and then double down and be wrong like a moron. Time for a culture change.the cancer is too far gone to be treatable.

Unless there is some kind of a paradigm shift, the Bombers will do what they always do with Osh in charge. Nothing at the least. Very little at the most.

Edited August 27Aug 27 by SpeedFlex27

Bombers D takes the heat but the last 2 seasons plus a part of the last one with Buck as OC has been pretty consistently bad on O. Is that O’Shea? Cuz couple different coordinators now since and still bad, is that O’Shea or is that Zach maybe? Zach throwing 50 yard punts and he’s a grizzled vet, **** he does would get a rookie benched or cut. I suppose that is on O’Shea cuz Zach has never once been benched. Not once. He’s played pretty poorly the past couple of seasons. It’s on O’Shea for playing him and it’s partially on Zach for just not being an elite cfl qb anymore. He was for a couple of seasons. He isn’t anymore. Oshea and Kyle need to recognize that. Kyle is technically MOS boss so he can do stuff but doesn’t at all ever during the season. Not for 6 7 seasons now.

Edited August 27Aug 27 by Goalie

2 hours ago, Goalie said:

Bombers D takes the heat but the last 2 seasons plus a part of the last one with Buck as OC has been pretty consistently bad on O. Is that O’Shea? Cuz couple different coordinators now since and still bad, is that O’Shea or is that Zach maybe? Zach throwing 50 yard punts and he’s a grizzled vet, **** he does would get a rookie benched or cut. I suppose that is on O’Shea cuz Zach has never once been benched. Not once. He’s played pretty poorly the past couple of seasons. It’s on O’Shea for playing him and it’s partially on Zach for just not being an elite cfl qb anymore. He was for a couple of seasons. He isn’t anymore. Oshea and Kyle need to recognize that. Kyle is technically MOS boss so he can do stuff but doesn’t at all ever during the season. Not for 6 7 seasons now.

Yes, Collaros is older than he used to be. We all are & as we age our athletic skills erode. When was the last time Collaros had a skilled complete set of receivers to throw to? When was the last time our OL was dominant? When was the last time we had a competent OC? It's been years like 2021 when we last won a Grey Cup. Walters did a terrible job keeping this team replenished with star players like we had briefly for 3 or 4 seasons. Instead, Walters was too busy cheaping out the younger players who should have stayed to pay the aging old veterans & is still doing the same today.

When Osh had a great team then he became a great coach because talent really coaches itself despite the shitty decisions Osh made. Give Osh a bad team to coach & the results are the opposite. **** players can't coach themselves. Combine that with Osh traits like crazy roster decisions like dressing 10 linebackers, stupidity, stubborness & we have what we have. A team spiralling down.

2 hours ago, Goalie said:

Bombers D takes the heat but the last 2 seasons plus a part of the last one with Buck as OC has been pretty consistently bad on O. Is that O’Shea? Cuz couple different coordinators now since and still bad, is that O’Shea or is that Zach maybe? Zach throwing 50 yard punts and he’s a grizzled vet, **** he does would get a rookie benched or cut. I suppose that is on O’Shea cuz Zach has never once been benched. Not once. He’s played pretty poorly the past couple of seasons. It’s on O’Shea for playing him and it’s partially on Zach for just not being an elite cfl qb anymore. He was for a couple of seasons. He isn’t anymore. Oshea and Kyle need to recognize that. Kyle is technically MOS boss so he can do stuff but doesn’t at all ever during the season. Not for 6 7 seasons now.

My take is that seeing as Osh has no real background or ability with the X and O part of offence that he says nothing and does nothing about the poor performance/scheme...player ability and just lets it flounder...He has no ability to step in or step up and do anything about it

22 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Yes, Collaros is older than he used to be. We all are & as we age our athletic skills erode. When was the last time Collaros had a skilled complete set of receivers to throw to? When was the last time our OL was dominant? When was the last time we had a competent OC? It's been years like 2021 when we last won a Grey Cup. Walters did a terrible job keeping this team replenished with star players like we had briefly for 3 or 4 seasons. Instead, Walters was too busy cheaping out the younger players who should have stayed to pay the aging old veterans & is still doing the same today.

When Osh had a great team then he became a great coach because talent really coaches itself despite the shitty decisions Osh made. Give Osh a bad team to coach & the results are the opposite. **** players can't coach themselves. Combine that with Osh traits like crazy roster decisions like dressing 10 linebackers, stupidity, stubborness & we have what we have. A team spiralling down.

Winning in spite of...we cant do that on a consistent level now as we aged out...and neglected talent...and we insist on being ok playing inferior talent cause I guess the HC likes them...as I cant see any other reason why we doing what we doing

13 minutes ago, Booch said:

My take is that seeing as Osh has no real background or ability with the X and O part of offence that he says nothing and does nothing about the poor performance/scheme...player ability and just lets it flounder...He has no ability to step in or step up and do anything about it

Winning in spite of...we cant do that on a consistent level now as we aged out...and neglected talent...and we insist on being ok playing inferior talent cause I guess the HC likes them...as I cant see any other reason why we doing what we doing

very frustrating. Some here thought that Walters & Osh would change but the new contracts have just empowered them to do the same. We all thought that walters had a very good free agency period. However, in reality that was the first day. We needed to sign another DT, OL & Canadian receiver among others but we signed no one after the first day. So, overall we didn't improve. Osh is always who he's always been. Nothing changed for him. Same ****. Different year.