Is this ever a guy we should take a run at? I really like Pokey as a receiver but not sure he's a 1A Superstar guy... Would you ever take a run at Hatcher as your #1 and then have Pokey and Demski as 2/3?

 

 

I can see the reason for 3 years..teams draft, invest in their Canadian talent only for them to leave depending where the player calls home...and the salary cap is to protect the teams from themselves..overpaying and risking the collapse of the league,again. It's low but for our league unfortunately it's necessary.

There needs to be options with the caap for rookies being so low like naming a player who can opt out of it. Something to get a promising player on the roster. The way it's set up now is stupid. Teams have no way of enticing younger players up here like Elgersma.

als cut james morgan right before his 30th birthday.

if he wants it he will probably get another cfl camp from some one as the last arm/ extra arm. Hes got a great arm, decent release and he’s still got tons of upside. Almost no chance of fulfilling it though. He’s more of a pitcher than a qb. And qbs who get to the pros with out any touch or accuracy basically never pan out.

Maybe a team thinks their qb coach can finally fix his mechanics and bring finesse into his game. Or maybe a team will just want that wild, raw arm talent in camp for depth defenders and wrs to work with/against.

15 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

There needs to be options with the caap for rookies being so low like naming a player who can opt out of it. Something to get a promising player on the roster. The way it's set up now is stupid. Teams have no way of enticing younger players up here like Elgersma.

No matter what the cap is, or exemptions there is no way a cfl team can compete with the nfl financially. It would just drive up payrolls

14 hours ago, wbbfan said:

als cut james morgan right before his 30th birthday.

if he wants it he will probably get another cfl camp from some one as the last arm/ extra arm. Hes got a great arm, decent release and he’s still got tons of upside. Almost no chance of fulfilling it though. He’s more of a pitcher than a qb. And qbs who get to the pros with out any touch or accuracy basically never pan out.

Maybe a team thinks their qb coach can finally fix his mechanics and bring finesse into his game. Or maybe a team will just want that wild, raw arm talent in camp for depth defenders and wrs to work with/against.

I think Morgan would be worth a look.....but like you say he needs some polish....The trouble with him just being an arm out there, I believe MBT is still available and with the CFL experience he has, I would say a club might go there first

2 hours ago, Pete said:

No matter what the cap is, or exemptions there is no way a cfl team can compete with the nfl financially. It would just drive up payrolls

Of course but improving, enhancing CFL caps might better attract/entice NFL fringe players (prospect and existing) who want a decent wage and be playing. Better talent in the CFL draws revenue increases cap.

Easy peasy said no one ever when talking the CFL.

22 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Okay, maybe saying he "**** on the CFL" bordered on the ridiculousl. For that, I was wrong. I absolutely agree with your take, though The CFL is a league that just doesn't get why it isn't even mentiobned in a Toronto fan poll. The coaches & admin cap along with the rookie salary cap have to go. Why three years for Canadians & just two for Americans? These rules are strangling the CFL & not allowing for any kind of growth to take place. It also makes the CFL look bush league. Especially in Toronto, Calgary & Edmonton where fan support is apathetic. No exponential growth will happen until the league & the new Commish fix these meat & potato issues.

I get the league's want for cost certainty but it is ridiculous for that quest to be attached to coaching, and NAT draftees. NAT draftees, quality ones, are an issue in this league and having reduced capacity for quality coaching and recruitment just waters down our league's talent base as well. We increased our overall salary cap, yet we can't find a proper wage scale for valuable commodities like coaching and NAT draftees. It's, as you put it, bush.

5 hours ago, Pete said:

No matter what the cap is, or exemptions there is no way a cfl team can compete with the nfl financially. It would just drive up payrolls

You don't have to compete with the NFL salary wise, but you can't pigeon hole a NAT draftee for 3 years of his career either. Guys will go to the UFL instead or take flyers on weak NFL interest. We've seen it, we are seeing it, it's a problem. It's not imaginary. The top of our draft classes are choosing to chase the NFL despite very weak interest in them. Elgersma is not the first high draft pick we've waited to go through NFL interest then the UFL before coming here.

20 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

You don't have to compete with the NFL salary wise, but you can't pigeon hole a NAT draftee for 3 years of his career either. Guys will go to the UFL instead or take flyers on weak NFL interest. We've seen it, we are seeing it, it's a problem. It's not imaginary. The top of our draft classes are choosing to chase the NFL despite very weak interest in them. Elgersma is not the first high draft pick we've waited to go through NFL interest then the UFL before coming here.

Have their been any other NAT drafted players who have flirted with the UFL/XFL? AFAIK with Elgersma the only link is that they drafted him, I haven't seen any indication that that is where he is going to end up either.

20 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

Have their been any other NAT drafted players who have flirted with the UFL/XFL? AFAIK with Elgersma the only link is that they drafted him, I haven't seen any indication that that is where he is going to end up either.

21 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

Have their been any other NAT drafted players who have flirted with the UFL/XFL? AFAIK with Elgersma the only link is that they drafted him, I haven't seen any indication that that is where he is going to end up either.

I don't know league wide, but Liam Dobson did the full tour including wanting to play in the USFL before finally arriving here. We had the exact same conversations regarding his want to be here prior to him finally signing as we are having now with Elgersma. I believe we waited a full year before he finally signed. Had the USFL been able to get him a PVisa to play, we likely wouldn't have seen him in 2022 either. I am not sure the UFL is better at getting these visas for NATs now, and that is likely the reason we have not seen Elgersma in the UFL. Dobson had signed a 2 year contract with the USFL that was nullified when they couldn't secure him a PVisa. At the time the USFL contracts only allowed outs to the NFL. That's how close we came to losing a 3rd overall pick. The reason cited for choosing the USFL was that it was only 9k less than the NAT draftee rookie contract but had half the number of games, and wrapped up before NFL TCs.

This is the biggest notable draftee I can think of off hand, but I am sure there are others who have taken a similar approach prior to the CFL. Sage Doxtater and Paris Shand are other notable high picks that kicked around the spring leagues prior to the CFL. In Shand's case he just signed his first CFL contract recently.

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