https://www.nhlpa.com/news/1-22901/nhl-nhlpa-ratify-four-year-collective-bargaining-agreement

11 hours ago, Noeller said:

Couldn't be happier for Ehlers. He was always a great soldier. I truly believe Winnipeg will never win a cup.. and Canadian teams are highly unlikely ever again (odds are just stacked too high against them)..... So any players that come here for awhile and try hard... I've got nothing but happiness for them when they go and win a cup somewhere else that they actually have a chance.

What are you talking about?! Every year we’re going to win the cup until we’re told we are officially not.

What a weird thing to say when one of the smallest markets in the USA just won the cup. If anything , Carolina winning should give hope to Canadian teams. Just last year Mikko Rantanen refused to sign an extension with Carolina, Carolina is generally considered a no go zone for players, lots have refused to waive to go there. They give hope. You look at their roster and realize 90 percent of that team was drafted and developed by Carolina and that’s the key. Jets need to get back to that.

Edited 7 hours ago7 hr by Goalie

It's really not that hot of a take guys...

All US markets have an advantage. Financially, and anonymity for players. They will always attract the best players.

Gary Lawless wrote a really great piece about it some years ago... Canadian teams (and Winnipeg most especially) will always have the deck stacked against them because the best players, by and large, do not want to be here.... Or at least would PREFER to play anywhere else.

If I remember right, Lawless said something along the lines of "...the Jets may get lucky and win one once in our collective lifetimes, but it will always be a near impossibility..." Whereas places like California and Florida (not to mention places like Carolina) where nobody cares about hockey, will always attract the best players. The weather, the taxes, and the complete anonymity will always be most attractive to players.

It's just logical... We don't have to like it, but it makes all the sense in the world.

9 minutes ago, Goalie said:

What a weird thing to say when one of the smallest markets in the USA just won the cup. If anything , Carolina winning should give hope to Canadian teams. Just last year Mikko Rantanen refused to sign an extension with Carolina, Carolina is generally considered a no go zone for players, lots have refused to waive to go there. They give hope. You look at their roster and realize 90 percent of that team was drafted and developed by Carolina and that’s the key. Jets need to get back to that.

I don't think it gives hope to Canadian teams at all, especially in the case of the Jets. Carolina has advantages that Canadian teams don't have, despite being a small market US team. Yeah, Carolina isn't your first choice if you're an American but they're a well-run franchise with an incredible owner. That goes a long way.

A lot of players don't want to play in Canada - full stop, period. Even more players don't want to play in Winnipeg and quite honestly, I think it's time that the franchise took a step back and recognized that it's become an issue of not wanting to play for Chipman + Chevy just as much as it is not wanting to play in the city. Our ownership and front office is awful and I don't want to hear the excuses of "well, it's the toughest job in the NHL." Great, invest in things that will make it easier. We are a draft and develop team who sucks at drafting and sucks even worse at developing. The Jets have done an absolutely pitiful job of recognizing what players on the way up value, which leaves no doubt as to why we easily lead the league in "players asking for a trade" over the past 10 years. Is no one on the Jets waking up to WHY that is happening?

I understand the challenges our franchise faces with attracting players but we make it SO much worse on ourselves. We beat the creativity out of almost every young prospect, we make them earn their way through the ranks of a system that forces them to get in line with playing OUR style of hockey while forcing their style out of them, we make them toil in the AHL ranks far too long and then give them inconsistent opportunities with the NHL club alongside low skill players that don't compliment them whatsoever. It's not the "small big city" mentality where we think we hear all the secrets that other teams don't because everyone knows everyone in Winnipeg. It's the fact that a lot of our young players are incredibly disgruntled and honestly, I think having our AHL team in Winnipeg as well is a huge detriment - imagine being a 20 year old first round draft pick, you are weighing your options on how you'd like your career path to play out and you are stuck in Winnipeg EVERY day, getting third line grinder minutes on the Moose thinking to yourself "is this how I want to spend the next 10+ years of my career?"

The Jets need to take a long hard look at the way that they do business and stop trying to convince themselves that the loyalty of Morrissey, Scheifele, Lowry, etc can be instilled in every single player. Young players want to PLAY these days, they want opportunities to control their career and we don't have to like it but we have to respect it. Winnipeg itself is a big hurdle to these players but the front office and the way we treat our young players is the biggest hurdle of all at this point.

23 minutes ago, Mike said:

I don't think it gives hope to Canadian teams at all, especially in the case of the Jets. Carolina has advantages that Canadian teams don't have, despite being a small market US team. Yeah, Carolina isn't your first choice if you're an American but they're a well-run franchise with an incredible owner. That goes a long way.

A lot of players don't want to play in Canada - full stop, period. Even more players don't want to play in Winnipeg and quite honestly, I think it's time that the franchise took a step back and recognized that it's become an issue of not wanting to play for Chipman + Chevy just as much as it is not wanting to play in the city. Our ownership and front office is awful and I don't want to hear the excuses of "well, it's the toughest job in the NHL." Great, invest in things that will make it easier. We are a draft and develop team who sucks at drafting and sucks even worse at developing. The Jets have done an absolutely pitiful job of recognizing what players on the way up value, which leaves no doubt as to why we easily lead the league in "players asking for a trade" over the past 10 years. Is no one on the Jets waking up to WHY that is happening?

I understand the challenges our franchise faces with attracting players but we make it SO much worse on ourselves. We beat the creativity out of almost every young prospect, we make them earn their way through the ranks of a system that forces them to get in line with playing OUR style of hockey while forcing their style out of them, we make them toil in the AHL ranks far too long and then give them inconsistent opportunities with the NHL club alongside low skill players that don't compliment them whatsoever. It's not the "small big city" mentality where we think we hear all the secrets that other teams don't because everyone knows everyone in Winnipeg. It's the fact that a lot of our young players are incredibly disgruntled and honestly, I think having our AHL team in Winnipeg as well is a huge detriment - imagine being a 20 year old first round draft pick, you are weighing your options on how you'd like your career path to play out and you are stuck in Winnipeg EVERY day, getting third line grinder minutes on the Moose thinking to yourself "is this how I want to spend the next 10+ years of my career?"

The Jets need to take a long hard look at the way that they do business and stop trying to convince themselves that the loyalty of Morrissey, Scheifele, Lowry, etc can be instilled in every single player. Young players want to PLAY these days, they want opportunities to control their career and we don't have to like it but we have to respect it. Winnipeg itself is a big hurdle to these players but the front office and the way we treat our young players is the biggest hurdle of all at this point.

24 minutes ago, Mike said:

I don't think it gives hope to Canadian teams at all, especially in the case of the Jets. Carolina has advantages that Canadian teams don't have, despite being a small market US team. Yeah, Carolina isn't your first choice if you're an American but they're a well-run franchise with an incredible owner. That goes a long way.

A lot of players don't want to play in Canada - full stop, period. Even more players don't want to play in Winnipeg and quite honestly, I think it's time that the franchise took a step back and recognized that it's become an issue of not wanting to play for Chipman + Chevy just as much as it is not wanting to play in the city. Our ownership and front office is awful and I don't want to hear the excuses of "well, it's the toughest job in the NHL." Great, invest in things that will make it easier. We are a draft and develop team who sucks at drafting and sucks even worse at developing. The Jets have done an absolutely pitiful job of recognizing what players on the way up value, which leaves no doubt as to why we easily lead the league in "players asking for a trade" over the past 10 years. Is no one on the Jets waking up to WHY that is happening?

I understand the challenges our franchise faces with attracting players but we make it SO much worse on ourselves. We beat the creativity out of almost every young prospect, we make them earn their way through the ranks of a system that forces them to get in line with playing OUR style of hockey while forcing their style out of them, we make them toil in the AHL ranks far too long and then give them inconsistent opportunities with the NHL club alongside low skill players that don't compliment them whatsoever. It's not the "small big city" mentality where we think we hear all the secrets that other teams don't because everyone knows everyone in Winnipeg. It's the fact that a lot of our young players are incredibly disgruntled and honestly, I think having our AHL team in Winnipeg as well is a huge detriment - imagine being a 20 year old first round draft pick, you are weighing your options on how you'd like your career path to play out and you are stuck in Winnipeg EVERY day, getting third line grinder minutes on the Moose thinking to yourself "is this how I want to spend the next 10+ years of my career?"

The Jets need to take a long hard look at the way that they do business and stop trying to convince themselves that the loyalty of Morrissey, Scheifele, Lowry, etc can be instilled in every single player. Young players want to PLAY these days, they want opportunities to control their career and we don't have to like it but we have to respect it. Winnipeg itself is a big hurdle to these players but the front office and the way we treat our young players is the biggest hurdle of all at this point.

I think from the standpoint of shared responsibility and accountability, completely reasonable requests.

Tortorella won't return to Golden Knights

https://thescore.com/nhl/news/3554528

49 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

Tortorella won't return to Golden Knights

https://thescore.com/nhl/news/3554528

Edmonton?

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

Edmonton?

If they're willing to kick tires on Babcock, I don't see any reason they wouldn't be interested in Tortorella.

Why does Hockey Night in Canada have to go down with it? it makes no sense to me and why did they chose not to renew?

15 minutes ago, iHeart said:

Why does Hockey Night in Canada have to go down with it? it makes no sense to me and why did they chose not to renew?

I don’t think they made any money from it since SN took over. It was a gift share AFAIK.

31 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

I don’t think they made any money from it since SN took over. It was a gift share AFAIK.

Beachcomber reruns on saturday night... Here they come!!!