I wasn't sure where this Israel, Iran and China debacle should go, so I thought I would start a new thread and post it here:

Interesting article disusing Israel's actions in trying to destabilize Iran and how it monumentally backfired and brought China into the Middle East... it's kind of crazy

 

"To the extent that Netanyahu played a role here, his plot has backfired monumentally. If the China deal goes through, Iran is much strengthened and its hard liners are entirely unleashed. The positioning of Chinese security forces in Iran will make it increasingly risky for other countries such as Israel or the US to strike Iran, lest they come into conflict with nuclear-armed China."

Edited September 10, 20196 yr by wanna-b-fanboy

1 minute ago, blue_gold_84 said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canada-concerned-fighting-erupts-armenia-s-border-1.5741964

Between this and what's taking place in Lithuania, this year just keeps on getting more craptacular.

Belarus? 

1 minute ago, JCon said:

Belarus? 

That's the one. Still without coffee this AM. 😬

1 hour ago, blue_gold_84 said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canada-concerned-fighting-erupts-armenia-s-border-1.5741964

Between this and what's taking place in Belarus, this year just keeps on getting more craptacular.

I don’t see a problem, just send in that ‘Nobel’ Peace guy, he’ll square it away.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/u-n-germany-kovrig-spavor-1.5852655

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Germany's U.N. envoy, during his last scheduled U.N. Security Council meeting, appealed to China to free two detained Canadians for Christmas, prompting China's deputy U.N. envoy to respond: "Out of the bottom of my heart: Good riddance."

Germany finishes a two-year term on the 15-member council at the end of this month and Ambassador Christoph Heusgen plans to retire after more than 40 years as a diplomat.

"Let me end my tenure on the Security Council by appealing to my Chinese colleagues to ask Beijing for the release of Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor. Christmas is the right moment for such a gesture," Heusgen told the council session, whose official agenda topic was Iran.

China's deputy U.N. ambassador, Geng Shuang, accused Heusgen of abusing the Security Council to launch "malicious" attacks on other members "in an attempt to poison the working atmosphere."

"I wish to say something out of the bottom of my heart: Good riddance, Ambassador Heusgen," Geng said. "I am hoping that the council in your absence in the year 2021 will be in a better position to fulfill the responsibilities...for maintaining international peace and security."

Quite a nasty - and perhaps telling - response by another defensive Chinese gov't official. What Heusgen said was hardly disrespectful, much less malicious.

Geng Shuang* comes across as quite the assclown. But this seems part and parcel for towing the line of the CCP. And that said, **** the CCP.

* this is the same moron who crapped all over Canada last spring over the Wanzhou incident.

Edited December 23, 20205 yr by blue_gold_84
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2 hours ago, blue_gold_84 said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/u-n-germany-kovrig-spavor-1.5852655

Quite a nasty - and perhaps telling - response by another defensive Chinese gov't official. What Heusgen said was hardly disrespectful, much less malicious.

Geng Shuang* comes across as quite the assclown. But this seems part and parcel for towing the line of the CCP. And that said, **** the CCP.

* this is the same moron who crapped all over Canada last spring over the Wanzhou incident.

Once you accept that China is run by a dictatorship who have no regard for the powerless, it is a lot easier to understand.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/myanmar-leader-aung-san-suu-kyi-detained-1.5895593

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Myanmar leader Aung San Suu Kyi and other senior figures from the ruling party have been detained in an early-morning raid, the spokesperson for the governing National League for Democracy (NLD) said on Monday.

The move comes after days of escalating tension between the civilian government and the powerful military that stirred fears of a coup in the aftermath of an election that the army says was fraudulent.

NLD spokesperson Myo Nyunt told Reuters by phone that Suu Kyi, President Win Myint and other leaders had been "taken" in the early hours of the morning.

 

Well, I guess Jared's peace in the middle east plan didn't quite pass the sniff test...

The Human Shield excuse is ******* flimsy as hell... you can condemn the use of human shields as well as knowingly killing civilians... this doesn't even touch upon the role of occupier and  occupied...

Edited May 12, 20214 yr by wanna-b-fanboy

2 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Well, I guess Jared's peace in the middle east plan didn't quite pass the sniff test...

 

It's made the situation so, so, so much worse. The Trump regime made the middle east even more unstable than before. 

32 minutes ago, JCon said:

It's made the situation so, so, so much worse. The Trump regime made the middle east even more unstable than before. 

But Trump got 2 Nobel Peace prize noms out of it, so that’s what matters to them. Can’t let that “boy” Obama best the Donald. (Note: that offensive racist “boy” term is their characterization, not mine). 

THis was a fascinating article:

 

 

 

I learned quite a lot through this article.

I found this interesting, it's basicly about the shifting attitudes on the area where the latest Israeli/ Palestinian conflict flared up.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/13/violence-jerusalem-holy-sites-israeli-right-temple-mount

 

 

Nice thread giving context to the recent bombings in Gaza:

 

A few years ago, according to an article in Israel's Ha'artez newspaper, researchers took DNA samples from Jewish bodies over a thousand years old and compared them to current Israelis as well as Palestinians. Turned out that ancient inhabitants were more closely related to the Palestinians than the Israelis.

re israel gaza strip....

 

both sides......corrupt politicians, and

intolerant, violent religious fanatics are driving this awful mess.

the extremist jews are violent, racist, sexist people, and the gaza strip hamas leaders are just as bad.

a bunch of terrorists.

neither sides leaders care  about their own citizens.

side note, netanyahu's brother led the Raid on entebbe and was killed there. may explain netanyahu's apparent hatred to some extent.

Edited May 18, 20214 yr by Mark F

43 minutes ago, Mark F said:

re Israel Gaza strip....

 

both sides......corrupt politicians, and intolerant, violent religious fanatics are driving this awful mess.

the extremist Jews are violent, racist, sexist people, and the Gaza strip Hamas leaders are just as bad.

a bunch of terrorists. neither sides leaders care  about their own citizens.

side note, Netanyahu's brother led the Raid on Entebbe and was killed there. may explain Netanyahu's apparent hatred to some extent.

You are correct in describing the current situation, but it bears noting that for over 600 years, Arabs had total control over Palestine  and the Jews had freedom of religious expression and there was peace for the most part. The change came when the UN at the urging of the US and Britain mandated a Jewish homeland. The British gave massive amounts of military equipment to the Israelis when they left and the ethnic cleansing began, continuing to this day. During the centuries that the Arabs held power in Palestine, they could have easily wiped out the Jews with little effort, but chose not to. The ethnic cleansing has provoked retaliation from the Palestinians and justified Israeli actions. The situation could easily be resolved. All the US would have to do is stop the massive subsidies of Israel and the Arabs nation could properly fund Palestinian infrastructure. 

14 minutes ago, Tracker said:

there was peace for the most part.

I disagree with this.

Jews and Christians  were strictly second class  under muslim rule. sometimes tolerated, sometimes elevaated, and sometimes murdered.

the infamous yellow star came into being under Islam.

there were some periods under some rulers when Jews were safe, and there also periodic pogroms. 
 

as far as recent history, thirties, ww2 head of Palestinian arabs was anti semite.

 

"On March 31, 1933, within weeks of Hitler's rise to power in Germany, al-Husseini sent a telegram to Berlin addressed to the German Consul-General in the British Mandate of Palestine saying that Muslims in Palestine and elsewhere looked forward to spreading their ideology in the Middle East. Al-Husseini secretly met the German Consul-General near the Dead Sea in 1933 and expressed his approval of the anti-Jewish boycott in Germany and asked him not to send any Jews to Palestine. Later that year, the Mufti's assistants approached Wolff,^[who?] seeking his help in establishing an Arab National Socialist party in Palestine. Reports reaching the foreign offices in Berlin showed high levels of Arab admiration of Hitler.^[145]"

 

Edited May 18, 20214 yr by Mark F

22 minutes ago, Tracker said:

The British gave massive amounts of military equipment to the Israelis when they left and the ethnic cleansing began, continuing to this day

this is wrong, the jews had to scrounge for their military equipment, and did not get anything from britain.

ethnic cleansing. nope.

after declaration of state of israel jews were thrown out of every country in the middle east.

Edited May 18, 20214 yr by Mark F

17 minutes ago, Mark F said:

this is wrong, the jews had to scrounge for their military equipment, and did not get anything from britain.

ethnic cleansing. nope.

after declaration of state of israel jews were thrown out of every country in the middle east.

It appears, upon further research, that I was wrong and you are correct. However ,the actions of the Israeli government in the past 20 years is still nothing short of ethnic cleansing: 1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia

for anyone interested in the never  discussed or known other side of ethnic cleansing in the middle east.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries

 

 

Edited May 18, 20214 yr by Mark F

7 hours ago, Mark F said:

this is wrong, the jews had to scrounge for their military equipment, and did not get anything from Britain.

ethnic cleansing. nope.

after declaration of state of israel jews were thrown out of every country in the middle east.

The UN has identified the seizure of Palestinian homes and communities as illegal and racially-based. That sounds like ethnic cleansing to me, and the Zionists (Israel for Jews only) have agitated for the eviction of Palestinians for decades. These hard-right activists have the ear of Netanyahu who has stated that the Golan Heights and the West Bank should be permanently part of Jewish Israel.  There can be no peace until there is a just and lasting peace that respects the rights of both. The extremism on both sides benefits a few who have vested interests in keeping the bloodshed going.

8 minutes ago, Tracker said:

The UN has identified the seizure of Palestinian homes and communities as illegal and racially-based.

not sure what race based means, 

anyway, israel should stop taking  land and homes from palestians west and gaza. give back the land taken in the last number of years.

and hamas should stop firing rockets at israel.

 

 

1 hour ago, Mark F said:

not sure what race based means, 

anyway, israel should stop taking  land and homes from palestians west and gaza. give back the land taken in the last number of years.

and hamas should stop firing rockets at israel.

 

 

Someone said that things change only grave by grave. As in many other parts of the world, old grievances continue to poison the futures of the children. 

This ******* gutted me.

 

14 hours ago, Tracker said:

Someone said that things change only grave by grave. As in many other parts of the world, old grievances continue to poison the futures of the children. 

the Serbians and some other group,  still have  genuine anger over a battle that occurred in the fifteenth century.

course some christians have hated jews for christ death, 2021 years. 😂

maybe theres an older grudge, something between neanderthals and humans?

 

homo sapiens.....

Edited May 19, 20214 yr by Mark F

Unfortunately, this tribalism seems to be a core characteristic of many humans. It is far easier to blame someone else for the sorry state of your life than actually do something to lift yourself out of it. On the other hand, there are the obscenely wealthy and powerful who choose to make it difficult for the poorer to reach a decent quality of life. 

Edited June 13, 20214 yr by Tracker