Just going to leave this here.

For those who haven't seen the movie and which to be surprised, please don't read anything in this thread as it will contain spoilers.

 

I'm out of here until I watch it on Saturday.

I'm going late Saturday night. Apparently is won't end until Sunday morning. 

 

I'm out of here until then. 

Got my tickets for Friday evening. So far, all spoiler-free reviews are absolute raves.

Sunday evening for us...Should be a time. Alright...I'm out.

Avengers Saturday night and a big GOT episode on Sunday!  Looking forward to this weekend.

Saw it tonight.  I’ll say this, no post credit scene so don’t waste your time. 

It was really good. Not great. But I’m also not a big marvel nerd (I say that affectionately) 

 

Google Thanos. Click the glove. 

9 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Google Thanos. Click the glove. 

Make sure the sound is on, and give it a minute to do its thing. Then click on the gauntlet again 

So I won’t discuss specific spoilers yet, will say I had predicted the opening scenes spoiler a while ago, but was genuinely surprised by most of the other plot points and things one would spoil. 

Having heard reviews, many had talked about the dense back story to get the plot out. It did not seem that convoluted to me, but it did take a while to get going. It really is a 3 act story with set up, execution of the set up, then final act payoff. Not as tense as Infinity War was throughout, but the last hour payoff is brilliant. So unlike Infinty, which I thought was strong throughout with a big gut punch at the end, this one is more slow build to a long climatic event, but that event elevates the movie massively. Cheering and clapping in the movie at points from the audience, and a real emotional movie. So if you are not overly let down by the start, the payoff is totally worth it. 

And no post-credit scene, but there is “something” at the end of the credits. 

Edited April 29, 20196 yr by TrueBlue4ever

I thought it was your average Marvel movie: pretty entertaining but it didn't blow my mind.  Civil War and Into the Spider-Verse are still my favorite Marvel movies.

My favorite bits in Endgame were the second-act heist scenes, especially the Cap stuff in the elevator and the Cap-vs-Cap bit, those were great.  Banner coming up meh when he was trying to hulk out was a great moment too.

I thought the big battle at the end was a little busy and not as great as the Civil War fight scene at the airport, which for me is like the gold standard of superhero battles, with everyone given a chance to showcase their own unique kind of awesome.

Edited April 28, 20196 yr by johnzo

Was surprised how little Captain Marvel was used. She was in so many trailers and then gone most of the film. I thought they would do more with her and Thor.

There were so many storylines to wrap up and I thought they did a good job of it. Where Infinity War encompassed all the MCU, this was a core Avengers movie, or that's the way it felt. 

I feel satisfied. Thor was the best, always is. 

1 hour ago, tacklewasher said:

Was surprised how little Captain Marvel was used. She was in so many trailers and then gone most of the film. I thought they would do more with her and Thor.

I was told you had to see her film before endgame which I didn’t and I don’t know what I might have missed.  

I think the directors side lined certain powerful characters because they weren’t sure how to tell an emotional story with them. So Marvel isn’t there. Hulk is bannerHulk. Thor is fat and drunk. 

It didn’t bother me. But it was obvious after the fact.  

Although you have to give the Russo’s a lot of credit for managing such a large cast and big story. 

I was impressed with so many stars doing cameos. 

I was fine with Thor as he was because the actor is really funny.  But I’d have preferred less Hulk and more Banner.  But these are just opinions not criticisms. 

Didn’t like Falcon as new Cap. Makes no sense. Can he even throw that shield?   

Keeping the five year jump seems a bit tough.  Like we’re to believe everyone involved in Spider-Man were dusted so came back five years younger?   Might have been better to come back at the moment of the original dusting. 

I liked the romp through past events. And while the idea was convoluted they managed to sort of explain it in a quick and easy way “so back to the future was bullshit?”   Perfect 

11 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

I was told you had to see her film before endgame which I didn’t and I don’t know what I might have missed.  

I think the directors side lined certain powerful characters because they weren’t sure how to tell an emotional story with them. So Marvel isn’t there. Hulk is bannerHulk. Thor is fat and drunk. 

It didn’t bother me. But it was obvious after the fact.  

Although you have to give the Russo’s a lot of credit for managing such a large cast and big story. 

I was impressed with so many stars doing cameos. 

I was fine with Thor as he was because the actor is really funny.  But I’d have preferred less Hulk and more Banner.  But these are just opinions not criticisms. 

Didn’t like Falcon as new Cap. Makes no sense. Can he even throw that shield?   

Keeping the five year jump seems a bit tough.  Like we’re to believe everyone involved in Spider-Man were dusted so came back five years younger?   Might have been better to come back at the moment of the original dusting. 

I liked the romp through past events. And while the idea was convoluted they managed to sort of explain it in a quick and easy way “so back to the future was bullshit?”   Perfect 

They missed an opportunity for a great inside joke when Ant Man appears and explains that the 5 years was only 5 hours for him. I was waiting for someone to say “I was wondering about that. You don’t look like you’ve aged a bit, like D-I-c-k Clark, or that actor from “Friends” who married Phoebe”. 

Edited April 29, 20196 yr by TrueBlue4ever

10 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

I was told you had to see her film before endgame which I didn’t and I don’t know what I might have missed.  

I think the directors side lined certain powerful characters because they weren’t sure how to tell an emotional story with them. So Marvel isn’t there. Hulk is bannerHulk. Thor is fat and drunk. 

It didn’t bother me. But it was obvious after the fact.  

Although you have to give the Russo’s a lot of credit for managing such a large cast and big story. 

I was impressed with so many stars doing cameos. 

I was fine with Thor as he was because the actor is really funny.  But I’d have preferred less Hulk and more Banner.  But these are just opinions not criticisms. 

Didn’t like Falcon as new Cap. Makes no sense. Can he even throw that shield?   

Keeping the five year jump seems a bit tough.  Like we’re to believe everyone involved in Spider-Man were dusted so came back five years younger?   Might have been better to come back at the moment of the original dusting. 

I liked the romp through past events. And while the idea was convoluted they managed to sort of explain it in a quick and easy way “so back to the future was bullshit?”   Perfect 

I heard the same, watched captain marvel last week and also feel the same way.

They always seem to do that, especially with hindsight. Shield didn't step in and save tony stark when he was kidnapped, captain marvel never stepped in, etc. They seem to send just enough firepower for each event.

 

I loved how many people reprised old roles, and how great it all played out. Not easy to do without making it feel forced. 

Don't like Falcon as Cap in the comics or MCU. He just doesn't have the toolset to be that leader of heroes. 

They couldn't do that because of starks daughter and similar issues. This part doesn't bother me. Though fast forwarding peter parker in age would be nice. 

Yeah, they did the time travel great. It bugged me a bit that they didn't just go back to get more Pym particles, and they didn't close the time travel door at all. Also, why they never use the infinity stones against the bad guys. Like cmon. (I really want to see hulk with the power gem.)

 

Wanted to see Coulson return and was sad when he didn't. Shocked that Fury was basically not even in the movie (nor Maria Hill). Also not stoked about FalconCap. Shoulda been Bucky... That's the only one that makes sense. 

That said, one thing I've been begging for was SHIELD in the 70s and we got a little taste of that which was awesome. 

Overall I really enjoyed it. I need to watch it a second time to decompress it all. So much happened, it's almost hard to process it all in real time. 

I wouldn’t mind them doing the story of a government controlled Cap. 

One thought about them not keeping the five year jump would be the further sacrifice of Tony not having the family but then end it with Pepper revealing she’s pregnant so it was all going to come to pass anyway. 

I don't think Falcon is going to be Cap. Having the shield is one thing but he's not a super soldier. He's not even as talented as Hawkeye. 

It was good.  Overall I enjoyed Inifinity War more, but I did enjoy how they really delved into what was going on.

 

• Lots of little "plotholes" like, why couldn't Stormbreaker just blow through Thanos like it did in Infinity War when he was blasting the whole power of the Infinity Gauntlet at it (could probably explain that away by him being out of shape). 
• Why can Captain Marvel wipe out his ship, and at one point pretty much handle him without issues but at another point Thanos easily defends himself against her power. 
• Why does Rocket's head look bigger then Thor's when he's talking to him on Asgard lol.  It's like Rocket grew a bit or something then shrank back down (this one is more of a joke).
• The one thing that really bugged me was Steve staying in the past.  They said at the beginning that they can't really change the past.  Yet he stayed there and married Peggy.  So he basically made it that she never married that other guy and never had the other kids that she had with that guy.  So they did change the future.  Time travel...bleh.  Never really a fan of it because something always never makes sense.
• And yes, the whole thing with Peter and his buddies with it being 5 years later.  I mean, yeah, half the population of the earth disappeared, so I guess it's possible.  I mean there's really only like, 5 of them.  Liz, MJ, Ned, Flash and Peter.  So it's believable.

But overall it was really good.  Loved all the jokey moments that you guys pointed out.  The whole "who's leader" at the end had me rolling.  So I guess Thor will be in the next Guardians movie.

I know what you all mean about Falcon being Cap.  Not sure how they'll handle that, unless they Super Soldier him up.  Not sure that would work in the story line though.

So much to process.

Edited April 29, 20196 yr by Logan007

13 minutes ago, Logan007 said:

So I guess Thor will be in the next Guardians movie.

This could be the best news coming out of the whole thing. 

Re-integrating Gamora in the GOTG will be great too. 

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So, Spiderman's European Vacation takes place right after Infinity War. PP is just back after five years of being away, the whole world is adjusting to the new-new reality, and off the school goes on a trip to Europe? Hmmm. 

39 minutes ago, JCon said:

This could be the best news coming out of the whole thing. 

Re-integrating Gamora in the GOTG will be great too. 

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So, Spiderman's European Vacation takes place right after Infinity War. PP is just back after five years of being away, the whole world is adjusting to the new-new reality, and off the school goes on a trip to Europe? Hmmm. 

Peter was doing a search for Gamora at the end of the movie.  So it looks like she took off.  So this iteration of Gamora isn't part of the group, so it looks like they'll be tracking her down in the next movie?

I really wish they showed more of the Banner/Hulk storyline. We went from Hulk not wanting to play to Professor Hulk without getting to see any of it. I know it would have added to the length of the movie, but it was a storyline I was looking forward to seeing.

 

Was Gamora missing from the funeral scene? I kinda looked at who was there and I don't think she was. I guess she didn't know Stark, so it makes sense.

2 minutes ago, Logan007 said:

Peter was doing a search for Gamora at the end of the movie.  So it looks like she took off.  So this iteration of Gamora isn't part of the group, so it looks like they'll be tracking her down in the next movie?

Star Trek III: The Search for Spock  GOTG III: The Search for Gamora

1 hour ago, Logan007 said:

It was good.  Overall I enjoyed Inifinity War more, but I did enjoy how they really delved into what was going on.

 

• Lots of little "plotholes" like, why couldn't Stormbreaker just blow through Thanos like it did in Infinity War when he was blasting the whole power of the Infinity Gauntlet at it (could probably explain that away by him being out of shape). 
• Why can Captain Marvel wipe out his ship, and at one point pretty much handle him without issues but at another point Thanos easily defends himself against her power. 
• Why does Rocket's head look bigger then Thor's when he's talking to him on Asgard lol.  It's like Rocket grew a bit or something then shrank back down (this one is more of a joke).
• The one thing that really bugged me was Steve staying in the past.  They said at the beginning that they can't really change the past.  Yet he stayed there and married Peggy.  So he basically made it that she never married that other guy and never had the other kids that she had with that guy.  So they did change the future.  Time travel...bleh.  Never really a fan of it because something always never makes sense.
• And yes, the whole thing with Peter and his buddies with it being 5 years later.  I mean, yeah, half the population of the earth disappeared, so I guess it's possible.  I mean there's really only like, 5 of them.  Liz, MJ, Ned, Flash and Peter.  So it's believable.

But overall it was really good.  Loved all the jokey moments that you guys pointed out.  The whole "who's leader" at the end had me rolling.  So I guess Thor will be in the next Guardians movie.

I know what you all mean about Falcon being Cap.  Not sure how they'll handle that, unless they Super Soldier him up.  Not sure that would work in the story line though.

So much to process.

Read an article this morning about Cap going back for Peggy. It was an interesting idea that Cap is her husband all along and they have kids together but, after the time travel, he's just an ordinary guy who ages, albeit a little slower because of the serum. 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/avengers-endgame-captain-america-ending-isnt-what-it-seems-1205370

...this is also interesting... 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/avengers-endgame-did-iron-man-ending-inspire-young-avengers-1204975

8 hours ago, Logan007 said:

It was good.  Overall I enjoyed Inifinity War more, but I did enjoy how they really delved into what was going on.

 

• Lots of little "plotholes" like, why couldn't Stormbreaker just blow through Thanos like it did in Infinity War when he was blasting the whole power of the Infinity Gauntlet at it (could probably explain that away by him being out of shape). 
• Why can Captain Marvel wipe out his ship, and at one point pretty much handle him without issues but at another point Thanos easily defends himself against her power. 
• Why does Rocket's head look bigger then Thor's when he's talking to him on Asgard lol.  It's like Rocket grew a bit or something then shrank back down (this one is more of a joke).
• The one thing that really bugged me was Steve staying in the past.  They said at the beginning that they can't really change the past.  Yet he stayed there and married Peggy.  So he basically made it that she never married that other guy and never had the other kids that she had with that guy.  So they did change the future.  Time travel...bleh.  Never really a fan of it because something always never makes sense.
• And yes, the whole thing with Peter and his buddies with it being 5 years later.  I mean, yeah, half the population of the earth disappeared, so I guess it's possible.  I mean there's really only like, 5 of them.  Liz, MJ, Ned, Flash and Peter.  So it's believable.

But overall it was really good.  Loved all the jokey moments that you guys pointed out.  The whole "who's leader" at the end had me rolling.  So I guess Thor will be in the next Guardians movie.

I know what you all mean about Falcon being Cap.  Not sure how they'll handle that, unless they Super Soldier him up.  Not sure that would work in the story line though.

So much to process.

 

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Re: plot holes -

1) Stormbreaker not working as well this time - I've had some one else raise the same question, can't come up with a valid explanation, except maybe Thanos' sword (made by the same Dwarf Eitri) could counteract Strombreaker (which Thanos did not have in Infinity War when Thor stabbed him). Actually just thought of that explanation as I was typing this, so yah, let's go with that!

2) The first time Captain Marvel fights Thanos in Act 1, he has been severely weakened by the using the stones a second time to destroy themselves - he even says it almost killed him - so he is easy to subdue .The second time she fights him he has the gauntlet (and remember how he handled Thor and Hulk at the start of Infinity war without the full power of the gauntlet, so he is very strong on his own), and she is more about preventing the snap, so the difference in his fight power can be explained that way. And he needs the power stone to fight back against her at the end.

3) Not sure what is up with Rocket's head, but he is a talking raccoon, so in the grand scheme of suspension of disbelief, I can overlook a bigger than normal cranium on a rodent. 

4) The whole time travel paradox always wrecks movies for me when I start to think too much about it. They try to explain it away here with "all previous time travel movies are wrong, so don't get caught up in trying to kill baby Thanos, because the past is unchangeable and we have multiple alternate realities" summary (I need to see the movie again just for Ant Man's speech about "changing the past doesn't alter our present by making a new future - got lost halfway through that logic and don't recall how it goes). My problem is why they need to return the stones to the exact moment they took them (I remember the Sorceress saying that while the new reality can be corrected, her past reality will then go in a different direction, changing her version of the future) if taking them in the past does not alter their own future. Once Loki steals the Tesseract in 2012 and Cap fights himself, and reveals to past Cap that Bucky is alive, AND faking out Hydra, then that whole timeline changes and Winter Soldier would take on a whole new dynamic. And if past Thanos travels forward from 2014 and dies in the present (2023?), then he isn't around to snap in 2018 .And Nebula killing her own 2014 self in 2023 would erase 2023 Nebula, no? But if not, then why the necessity to return the stones? This is the "Terminator problem" all over again (not for this post, but p.m. me if you want that problem explained).

5) Yah, unless Peter's entire class got wiped out in the snap and came back without aging (like Ant Man in the quantum realm), then some would have graduated a while ago. May have been cleaner to erase the past 5 years, but then Thanos and all the bad guys are still alive (unless Iron Man wills it as part of his wish), just no snap. And keeping Iron Man alive by just erasing the past 5 years then presents the problem going forward of why he isn't around to protect the world from future conflicts.

Other stuff - so what happened to Gamora? Was she so repulsed by the thought of dating Quill that she fled the battle? Did she feel she was responsible for working with Thanos and exiled herself? They really left that whole part hanging out there. Oh well ,I'll wait for Guardians 3 and they might explore her motives there.

Funeral scene - missed seeing Maria Hill, although I 've been assured she was there. I got fixated on the random unidentified teenage kid they showed after Hawkeye and his family, only found out later it was the kid from Iron Man 3 who Tony leaves the garage full of stuff for, so I may have missed her while trying to place his face. But after they show the kid they pan to General Ross (William Hurt) and what I thought was a blond woman. Was that Hill, or someone else? And if someone else, who?

Also, fun trivia from that scene - has any movie ever had that many Oscar winners (and nominees) in one shot?

Also read that Captain's "Hail Hydra" fakeout in the elevator was a nod to the comic book issue where Captain really DID turn and had been a secret Hydra agent, poking fun at the fan-boys who freaked out at the turncoat storyline (the comic book writer got actual death threats for introducing that plot twist) by making it an ironic false trail to fool the agents in the movie.

Other Easter eggs:

(a) When Thor approaches Captain Marvel and summons Stormbreaker and she doesn't flinch (in the trailers, where he says "I like this one'), you can hear a whisper that says "telepathy". Can Captain Marvel read minds?

(b) At the end of the credits, you hear a very faint hammering sound, which most believe is the sound of Tony building the original Iron Man suit in the cave in the first movie. Tne theatre staff was trying to kick everybody out saying "no end credits scene",  but a neat final moment

And lastly, audience reaction: 4 loud cheers/claps in the final act from my theatre: 1) when everyone returns through the mystic portals, more precisely just as Black Panther nods to Cap and just before Cap says "assemble", 2) Cap wields Mjolnir (biggest cheer by far), 3) the female Avengers all assemble and stand behind Captain Marvel to protect her, 4) "I am Iron Man".

Wondering how other theatres reacted.