I’m surprised the mayor gave in.  Bad decision. 

 

2 hours ago, sweep the leg said:

Lol, Goalie is the goat at taking mildly contentious arguments and cranking them up to 100.

Lol  big time!   Thankfully he has avoided the restaurant thread where I've stated that Sals is over rated lol!   

2 hours ago, nate007 said:

They are also the people who have no problem telling other people to 'walk a few extra blocks' to avoid the intersection, because only their time is important. 

I was in the area of P&M this weekend (went to Le Monkey Bar on the bridge) and I paid closer attention to the new skyscraper going up that will bring 600 people to the area.  There is a cross walk currently, right outside where that building will be.  But its sort of dreary and all the times I've driven through, I rarely recall people using it.  That will, of course, change when the building is up.  So one argument would be that people can cross there.  But I would suspect that cross walk will be jazzed up too.  If P&M was open, you'd likely get away with closing that one altogether.

28 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Lol  big time!   Thankfully he has avoided the restaurant thread where I've stated that Sals is over rated lol!   

Sals holds a lot of nostalgia but its not nearly as good as I remember as a kid.  But for the amount I eat there, nothing beats a Nip!

36 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Lol  big time!   Thankfully he has avoided the restaurant thread where I've stated that Sals is over rated lol!   

Well it is but it's comfort food.

Oh here are some coupons.

Edited August 13, 20187 yr by FrostyWinnipeg

On 2018-08-10 at 1:46 PM, Brandon said:

The next (non cheap/far fetched) solution is to buy out Portage Place and remove that food court ASAP and make the building into anything else (U of W expansion?) ....  that place breeds trouble.

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/business/portage-place-up-for-sale-491066041.html

 

 

On ‎2018‎-‎08‎-‎13 at 7:22 AM, The Unknown Poster said:

Thats really the crux of the disappointment with the referendum.  Regardless of what side people fall on, if they treated every average city decision (and thats what this is, its not as big as IGF, MTSC, Portage Place, The Forks, BRT etc), nothing would ever pass and people voting "no" on one would eventually favour something and lose.  Thats not how you govern.  We elect a council and Mayor for the purpose of doing the due diligence, having expertise in place and making decisions that might not always be the most popular but are in the best interests of the city.

Asking people who are not educated on the issue to vote is just not prudent.  

We sure wouldnt have the Esplanade Riel as many, many people (probably myself included) were against that little vanity project and its become an iconic image of Winnipeg (and I go there quite often, its great).  No IGF (and ask yourself where the Bombers would be today because CIS would have been condemned).  No MTSC which means no Jets.  Which means no TNS, probably means no Alt/Glasshouse either.  And possibly no new tallest Skyscraper.

People who want to vote no, fine, I get it.  But if you dont like something, dont go.  Dont ruin it for everyone else who understand why its a positive for the city.

No disrespect but you sound like a sore loser.  If politicians want to make it a referendum then it's become part of the process & you have to respect & accept it. In Calgary, we have a referendum on the Winter Olympics in November, thank God, as the city councillors are intent of ramming  the $4.5 to $5 billion budget through.  I fully expect that voters will put a stop to such political insanity. 

Edited August 19, 20187 yr by SpeedFlex27

58 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

No disrespect but you sound like a sore loser.  If politicians want to make it a referendum then it's become part of the process & you have to respect & accept it. In Calgary, we have a referendum on the Winter Olympics in November, thank God, as the city councillors are intent of ramming  the $4.5 to $5 billion budget through.  I fully expect that voters will put a stop to such political insanity. 

The insane part about this plebisite is that it is happening at all. Our mayor's main opponent was using P&M as a main part her platform and he wanted to pull the rug out from under her. In terms of infrastructure projects, it is very, very minor in cost and scale, but now the whole city gets to weigh in on it. Bowman showed zero leadership on this issue. 

12 hours ago, nate007 said:

The insane part about this plebisite is that it is happening at all. Our mayor's main opponent was using P&M as a main part her platform and he wanted to pull the rug out from under her. In terms of infrastructure projects, it is very, very minor in cost and scale, but now the whole city gets to weigh in on it. Bowman showed zero leadership on this issue. 

Bowman is the smiling mayor...  it's unfortunate that this city doesn't have anyone legit to run for mayor.    If Browaty were to run he would of won by a landslide.... 

1 hour ago, Brandon said:

Bowman is the smiling mayor...  it's unfortunate that this city doesn't have anyone legit to run for mayor.    If Browaty were to run he would of won by a landslide.... 

Russ Wyatt was the chosen one but....

Lets face facts...WPG has not voted out a mayor since the early 60's.

5 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Russ Wyatt was the chosen one but....

Lets face facts...WPG has not voted out a mayor since the early 60's.

Most cities are like that. Smaller voter turnout. Usually something 50 candidates running all with their own platforms. Some are pretty wacked. People know the incumbent Mayor & are familiar with him/her. So, incumbents have the advantage.

Edited August 19, 20187 yr by SpeedFlex27

15 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Most cities are like that. Smaller voter turnout. Usually something 50 candidates running all with their own platforms. Some are pretty wacked. People know the incumbent Mayor & are familiar with him/her. So, incumbents have the advantage.

Exactly the same thing with all municipal politics. 

that's nice, if one was going to MTS, but did they consider those that are disabled but can walk with the assistance of a walker?

Equating the Forks, True North Center, The Human Rights Museum, etc... to opening up Portage and Main is hilarious.

On 2018-08-18 at 9:26 PM, SpeedFlex27 said:

No disrespect but you sound like a sore loser.  If politicians want to make it a referendum then it's become part of the process & you have to respect & accept it. In Calgary, we have a referendum on the Winter Olympics in November, thank God, as the city councillors are intent of ramming  the $4.5 to $5 billion budget through.  I fully expect that voters will put a stop to such political insanity. 

Sore loser?  How would you sound if we could go in time and not have the new area, jets, TNS, IGF, Bombers etc?  Thrilled?

Its fair commentary to be critical of the decision to hold a referendum.  As I noted, I said whichever side you're on.  If a referendum was more likely to generate an outcome I personally supported, I'd be happy AND still point out how stupid it is.  Every election now, someone running for mayor or someone on council will pick some issue and say "why not add it to the ballot".  

When it comes to politicians making bad decisions, you know how you stop it?  You vote for someone else.  If the point is that the politicians in favour of Olympic spending would win again anyway, what does that tell you?  If referendum's generate more public interest, then lets get rid of the mayor altogether and just hold an annual referendum on everything.  Easy peasy.

On 2018-08-18 at 10:32 PM, nate007 said:

The insane part about this plebisite is that it is happening at all. Our mayor's main opponent was using P&M as a main part her platform and he wanted to pull the rug out from under her. In terms of infrastructure projects, it is very, very minor in cost and scale, but now the whole city gets to weigh in on it. Bowman showed zero leadership on this issue. 

As I understand it, Bowman had no choice as it had the support of Council so he supported it to avoid going on record as opposed to it.  It was that decision that totally undermined his opponent.  And it speaks to the quality of voters in that, Bowman will likely easily win but his big city project will be defeated.  Its lunacy.

2 hours ago, Logan007 said:

Equating the Forks, True North Center, The Human Rights Museum, etc... to opening up Portage and Main is hilarious.

Exactly which is why the idea of voting on opening up an intersection is so absurd.  People are treating it like there are ZERO pedestrian crossing's and this would be the FIRST ONE EVER lol

1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Sore loser?  How would you sound if we could go in time and not have the new area, jets, TNS, IGF, Bombers etc?  Thrilled?

Its fair commentary to be critical of the decision to hold a referendum.  As I noted, I said whichever side you're on.  If a referendum was more likely to generate an outcome I personally supported, I'd be happy AND still point out how stupid it is.  Every election now, someone running for mayor or someone on council will pick some issue and say "why not add it to the ballot".  

When it comes to politicians making bad decisions, you know how you stop it?  You vote for someone else.  If the point is that the politicians in favour of Olympic spending would win again anyway, what does that tell you?  If referendum's generate more public interest, then lets get rid of the mayor altogether and just hold an annual referendum on everything.  Easy peasy.

Whether you like it or not, the voters of Winnipeg have been included in this decision & whatever their decision is, you have to accept. It is what it is. What about 40 years ago? City councillors closed the intersection without a plebiscite. Had there been one, it never would have closed. We wouldn't be having this conversation today. Two or 3 generations of Winnipeggers have lived with the intersection being closed & now it's a question of whether opening or closing P & M will affect their lives & if they want it opened or not. And no, not every issue will be added to the ballot & you know that as there have been plebiscites before. Just make sure you vote. 

1 minute ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Whether you like it or not, the voters of Winnipeg have been included in this decision & whatever their decision is, you have to accept. It is what it is. What about 40 years ago? City councillors closed the intersection without a plebiscite. Had there been one, it never would have closed. We wouldn't be having this conversation today. Two or 3 generations of Winnipeggers have lived with the intersection being closed & now it's a question of whether opening or closing P & M will affect their lives & if they want it opened or not. And no, not every issue will be added to the ballot & you know that as there have been plebiscites before. Just make sure you vote. 

Im not at all sure what point you're arguing.

1 minute ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Im not at all sure what point you're arguing.

Well, I'm not going to summarize it any further as it's crystal clear to me in response to what you said. 

 

Polls are skewed to get the answers the people giving it want.. Ive worked for a few major polling companies.. Trust me when i say they do not represent the average person.. If they did Hillary would be president down south. 

I wonder what those 67 percent would say if u told them to keep it up requires about 18 to 20 million in repairs but to take it down costs 10. 

 

17% is too large to sway with a month to go.

2 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

17% is too large to sway with a month to go.

That attitude got Trump elected. 

Ps: how many Ppl on here got asked to participate in that poll? That poll 100 percent represents the views of the 1000 or so ppl who were polled. Thats it. 

Edited September 12, 20187 yr by Goalie

3 minutes ago, Goalie said:

That attitude got Trump elected. 

Trump was only 5% behind Hillary with a month to go. Also he didnt win popular which is the real crime.

I back it up with facts.

Edited September 12, 20187 yr by FrostyWinnipeg