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Not if they went 9-7. Like I said, I wouldn't be disappointed either but I like winning better than I like stats. My top two tandems that I measure all others are Austin/Burgess and Holloway/Barnes. Both put up big numbers, both had championships to their name. Not trying to be a bugaboo about it, I just value wins as part of the equation.

They didn't win. I have consistently said for years that's my ultimate measuring stick for QBs. It's why I don't believe Trevor Harris was ever an upper echelon QB for instance. I truly believe that really good offence is good for 10 wins in this league by itself. You wanna go higher than that and then you need defence and ST help. Just my opinion. I remember watching Barnagel, and they were OK. Just in case you think my post is purely Rider hate, the very best QB combo I have ever seen was Austin/Burgess.....now that was a killer combo. I'm not trying to slag Huf/Barnes, just that I think they were average.

I would think it would take more thought to learn how to do that, than the thought that content would have taken.

Hopefully one of them is our next Schoen.

May have asked for his release when the Bombers came calling.

Totally agree. I don't dislike CFL haters, I feel sorry for them. Their own bigotry towards an exceptional product is making them miss out on some pretty damn good football.

They didn't make the playoffs. End of story. I didn't say their play was subpar....I said it was not a two headed monster worthy of mention as one of the great QB tandems. Has nothing to do with the RIders. Go get a Snickers if you're feeling pissy. I think that Clements and Huffer tandem was a far better tandem than Barnagel. Just my opinion.

Two headed monster or dangerous is a pretty generous description but I guess it was one of the few years in the 70's and 80's that the Riders finished above .500 so while not all that great compared to the rest of the CFL, it certainly was pretty good QBing by Rider standards.

I wish CFLdb were still the site it used to be. Used to have all these advanced stats available.

Absolutely. The big thing is that DCs will be scrambling to game plan for both guys and that's hard to do because what they bring to the table is very different. It will be very difficult ask for any DC to formulate, and then implement a shut down defensive game plan for Collaros and Strev in the course of a few days. This will allow us to exploit defences a little more. I expect Zac, a very cerebral QB, to be able to operate at a very high efficiency level against the league this year.

Tackle stats require a lot of context for sure. I agree. Like most stats a deeper dive should usually be done. I do agree that the two you singled out are big time proof of that.

No player can win the MOP every year, so I agree with your post that it was inevitable he would eventually lose one. However, ZC is still the best QB in the league....not by as large of a margin anymore...but the numbers and results don't lie.

I agree. Plays that would have seen the ball sailed into the 4th row in previous years, instead became ZC taking some extra risk either in trying to extend or throwing the 50/50. Some of that is on Zac, some is on Buck too for green lighting it. However, that green light was given because of the quality of our receivers imo. If we dial back the risk/reward by 10% this year Zac will look very, very good again.

Yea..I think we all got a little too spoiled by Zacs brilliance since 2019 last year. He was really good last year. Not scared at all. He will be a top 2 QB this year again even if he regresses a tiny bit. I don't think saying keep him clean should be taken literal.

Right on because you are right..Unless you go to a 529 or Hys the steaks are not as good as what I can do for myself at home.

Terrific pickup Chevy!! Toffoli was the guy I wanted. Him and Monahan had great chemistry together in Calgary so getting him heated up shouldn't take long at all. However, this does almost necessitate that Ehlers is on that line and not the first line. Monny and Toffoli need a burner with them because they just don't have the foot speed anymore on the back check, and it can't be Connor because of his defensive play.

Yea....that's a weird one? Maybe this is his first CFL draft eligible year?

The only area that Zac "regressed" if you wanna call it that is in ball security. He threw up too many 50/50 balls last year. Other than that, the guy was easily the best QB in the CFL. He wasn't out of this world last year, like the two years before, but when we say take a step back it should be put in context. He stepped back from being an almost unanimous MOP to simply being the top QB in the CFL. And to anyone who say 'ya but Chad Kelly", that was all media and the need for a bonafide star in Toronto. Collaros was better by just about every QB metric.

Your name says it all....StrevyISaBEAST. I can't prove it, but I think the decision to move on from Brown was decided last year when Strevy came to town and watch a game. I think that there was more going on then that. Discussions with the Bombers started imo. That being said, Love Dru and think he will be successful. Unfortunately, our QB room is just a little too talented right now to let him have his chance here. Zach still has a couple good years left, and Dru's time is now.

This year an entire 1st round of talent is going to be gone to the NFL. It's like every draft starts with 2nd round talent now outside of maybe the top 1 or 2 picks. Don't forget the 4 stripes....but could you imagine being a Leafs fan? No one has ever seen them win a cup on a color TV.

Edmundson is not the player he used to be. Guy is a defensive black hole now and offers no offence. He does add toughness, but it is at the expense of the scoreboard. His play has badly dropped off from a few years ago. He doesn't crack our starting lineup imo. If we got him as a veteran insurance policy, I suppose that would be OK but not to step in and play.

The last 3 drafts haven't been particularly stellar for any teams. We are losing way too much of our top end draft talent to the NFL now.

I can imagine. He thinks his Stamps walk on water.

Not a great pickup imo but I guess they had to replace Johansen. Basically a wash in that department imo.

Maybe, but I think this year should provide us something decent if we don't. Yea...not seeing Murphy doing much on STs.