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One does not have to be complicit to be indirectly responsible. I was planned...my momma was no *****...are you suggesting you were the result of a broken rubber down Higgins?

Well some pretty damning reports about Chinese state sponsored scientists from Wuhan stealing from the Canadian Virology lab here in Winnipeg and some investigations suggesting that Covid leaked from that very same lab and did not come from bats. It doesn't necessarily mean we are responsible for Covid....but we might be.

Least we can do since the evidence is mounting that Canada is indirectly responsible for this whole covid mess.

Maybe so...but realistically Alberta's version of the NDP is far to the right of the political spectrum than any other provinces version of the NDP. If Manitoba's NDP were Alberta's NDP I would vote for them too. Agreed...in a couple months when we have the pandemic under control here our work can't stop.

Pallister ran on reducing spending and fiscal responsibility after the NDP almost bankrupted us and he won back to back massive majorities based on that. Covid will likely be his government's undoing because it is a no win situation but if you guys think Wobbly Canoe the woman beater is a step up then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. No offense but that is truly a stupid question. Just really dumb. The Selinger NDP government was completely inept and dysfunctional.

About as well as one would expect however the shitshows that came before them paved the way. One can't sit and say that any of these provinces would have been better off under their predecessors. When given the chance they failed epically...especially in Manitoba..who overwhelmingly decided to take out the trash. All these provinces may decide to do so next election again and maybe rightfully so but some of the posters on here pretending that the NDP or Liberals are some kind of beacons in a dark night are truly delusional. They better get a heck of a lot better than the last time they governed or its just a plug your nose and vote scenario.

Exactly right

Well all these provinces that voted in Conservative governments did so for good reason. For all we know a pandemic handled by the left may have turned out worse given their dreary records when in power. Personally, i believe no one is as used to running a socialist style society so i think the NDP might be a better choice in a pandemic, however, in normal conditions they have simply proven to be incompetent and thats why we have what we have around the country. Well all these provinces that voted in Conservative governments did so for good reason. For all we know a pandemic handled by the left may have turned out worse given their dreary records when in power. Personally, i believe no one is as used to running a socialist style society so i think the NDP might be a better choice in a pandemic, however, in normal conditions they have simply proven to be incompetent and thats why we have what we have around the country.

Interesting, I'll look him up. There is no doubt that creating ICU beds is challenging indeed, but in November we already had over 100 beds so the suggestion we only had 55 available is patently false...that is what I was attempting to refute. Are we short of the 176...sure are...but this week we will have 134 in operation. That's a far cry from the 55 that was being peddled as the number of beds earlier in this thread and it's a far cry more than the 90 beds that existed in 2017.

Sorry missed the convo...who's coming here? The rationale is truly warped. I honestly think they should ban ALL mentions of Covid from the various social medias. It is bringing out all the nutjobs and giving them an audience.

We have had 110 ICU beds since the beginning of the 2nd wave. Non ICU beds become ICU beds once you convert them to be ICU beds. The difference in care is no different. Yes, training ICU staff should not have been a need, yes taking up regular beds and converting them is lowering capacity elsewhere however those were beds that were ICU to begin with a few years ago. It's not an epic transition. Is a pandemic forcing us to open a ton of beds in less than ideal ways...sure...but the ICU bed count is higher than it was when Pallister took power. We were going to be screwed no matter what...NDP government or not. I think there is a lot we can blame Pallister for in the handling of the pandemic but the ICU capacity right now is not one of them. We are a small province that over doubled it's ICU capacity over the past year and we just can't keep pace with a pandemic that is ravaging our province because self entitled assholes just don't get the message, and our prairie neighbors to the West are making outstandingly stupid decisions. The third wave started in Alberta and they will likely start the 4th wave too.

We currently have 119, with another 16 coming on line this week, ICU beds in Manitoba and have had 110+ since the beginning of wave 2. That's 15 more than the 2017 peak stated earlier. Yes, Pallister closed beds in his health care reform but that has absolutely nothing to do with our current lack of beds. We would have been short no matter what because people are stupid and the virus seems to love stupid people. Fact of the matter is that we have more beds now than in 2017. If you want to argue extra cost associated with getting more beds, or the extra ICU training required to staff them costing us a fortune, you will find no argument. However, you are suggesting that we don't have the capacity we had in 2017 and that's simply untrue.

Policed by who exactly? The gestapo? Maybe we ask Putin for help. Get real...restrictions only work if people are willing...prohibition taught us that. Trying to control a virus is like trying to catch lightning in a bottle. There is no government anywhere having a complete success with it. Canada was especially f'ed with a late vaccine rollout.

We struggled with vaccine supply right up until 3 weeks ago. Pop ups were cancelled, super sites ran out right in the heart of the beginning of the 3rd wave. There was a period of time that Biden was saving the vaccine program from completely crashing by giving us vaccine. The one dose was a very smart move and thankfully we did so. However, botching our vaccine supply initially set us back badly.....and yes a big part of that was the Conservative and Liberal governments of Canada not learning a damn thing from SARS and H1N1 so as to stabilize our pandemic vaccine readiness.

Yes, it's bad, the whole world is in a similar boat. People need to wake up and get vaccinated. Trudeau really screwed up the vaccine roll out in Canada and the third wave is squarely on his shoulders imo.

Nice job by Cornell....if you go down the rabbit hole you can find a ton of Cornell acoustic covers that are just outstanding. Saw him live both times he came here on his acoustic tours and he is even better live. Goosebumps when he hit certain notes.

Not disagreeing with you but what would you have had the government do differently? Just a question. Please be specific. What should the government have done? What would the challenges be to doing so, how could they have mitigated that? Not picking on you in particular, I challenge all to answer those questions. I'm seeing a lot of people saying things should have been done different but I see crickets as to what that should have been.

I don't know. It was an off the wall pick to be sure but if he could have bulked up a bit he may have had a CFL career. He wasn't our worst first round pick ever. I don't even think that pick was as bad as Faith Ekakitie. Sometimes you just whiff on a player even Walters, who btw, was our assistant GM for the Etienne, Mulumba, Poblah, and Penser picks and GM for Ekakitie. Not saying the previous players are Walter's fault but you can't completely absolve him of responsibility for them either. As our head of CDN scouting and ass't GM he had more than a little input too. Mack picked guys brought to him by Walters he didn't pull these names out of a hat. They shouldn't have been on the list, particularly Penser and Etienne.

That demographic tends to be a pretty good market to advertise to as well. Dude...just retire and live the dream...lol. I agree with WIebe being Magoo but without him there would be no Wiebe. He does excellent production in every aspect of his and Aaron's videos. Schick is an up and comer, a Saskatchewan boy who quickly realized that fishing Manitoba is better. I've had this property for nearly 25 years now and had some businesses (now only one seasonal) in Thompson so I purchased it as a place to stay when business needed me North. Now I spend most of my spring/summer/fall there and drive to Wpg only for Bomber games in the summer. Lol.

I'm an avid fisherman as well, even bought a place 700 km north of winnipeg because of the fishing, so thanks for the tip. I will check it out for sure. I love watching Aaron Wiebe, and Jay Siemens on YT to get my MB fix as well.

Based on the dumb crap I am hearing from many people that I respect as fairly intelligent people, I think any and all stops is what it's going to take to get vaccine uptake anywhere near herd immunity in many places. Do what you gotta do...if that means incentivizing the process so be it. I don't want us hovering at 65% for a month....do something and get those needles in the arms of those too stupid to do it without incentive.

We will leave Bill out of it, we will deny the laptop evidence, we will deny the corruption of the Clinton foundation but every trope trotted out about the right is gospel. Got it. Now I know this exchange is a waste of my time.

The left defines anything that may be private/public as two tiered. The unions made sure of that.

No it doesn't. Trump just wore it more publically. The Clintons were despicable, so much so that she couldn't even beat Trump. There are hundreds of articles about the Clinton foundations corruption...look into it. As for Biden, if you think he and Hunter are innocent of corruption you will be surprised once the investigation turns in its findings. Totally agree the opposition here is doing a horrible job and is in a leaderless shambles right now. If they weren't perhaps Trudeau would have been forced to resign and been prosecuted by now. Its a **** show over there. The electoral college needs to go.

It is a terribly sad state of affairs when we have a scandal ridden federal government that has proven to be borderline incompetent in it's handling of the pandemic and the CDN politics thread is 180 pages compared to US politics, that quite frankly, are none of our concern reaches close to 900. I guess if your guy is no good then draw the attention away...