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It was a 2nd round draft pick, and given where the Bombers finished the season it was an early 2nd rounder... Here's the problem I still have with the trade: Walters had all the leverage in that trade. Riders wanted Hall, one of if not the best DE in the league for their playoff push, they were likely to lose Neufeld at least to the expansion draft anyway. Walters jumped the gun and paid too much. Hall and an actual late pick would have been one thing, but Hall and a high 2nd? That's an overpayment for a player the Riders were just trying to get some return on. I felt the same way at the time of the trade, but now I look at it like we got a starting OL for a second round pick... which we probably wouldn't have been able to do if we had kept the pick. We also got a fourth-rounder back in the trade. but you can't ignore Hall in the trade, he was a star player, the fact that he's not in the league now is irrelevant, he helped the Riders to win a Grey Cup, he was a huge part of the trade. Walters seems to me to pay whatever the cost to get his player which can be good or bad. At least he knows what he wants, but you can't always be paying sticker price in trades. Sticker price is sucker price. The thing is, nobody gives up starting OL. It took the first overall pick to pry Jon Gott out of Calgary... he is a good OL but definitely not the best in the league or anything. I believe that you are undervaluing Neufeld at this point. But he wasn't a starter in Saskatchewan and with the expansion draft coming up they were going to lose him anyway. It was them trading a depth player, and yes he was a depth player for them,in order to bolster their defensive line for a playoff run. No way should Walters have been adding a 2nd round pick. 4th round pick now we're talking, but not a 2nd. The only reason Neufeld lost his starting job was to injury. When they thought he was healthy, he was right back in the starting lineup. It turned out his injury was worse than they thought so he went back on the injured reserve. But he was a starting OL before he got hurt and he is a starting OL now. Trying to twist it as anything else is inaccurate. Alex Hall had zero value to us, so losing him is nothing. I believe if the trade was straight up a second round pick for Neufeld, we would be looking at it as a steal. It's more about improving the team as a whole than saying "Hall should be worth X, so we didn't get enough back for him." The end result is we gained a starting OL and didn't lose a whole lot, so it is a good trade.

It was a 2nd round draft pick, and given where the Bombers finished the season it was an early 2nd rounder... Here's the problem I still have with the trade: Walters had all the leverage in that trade. Riders wanted Hall, one of if not the best DE in the league for their playoff push, they were likely to lose Neufeld at least to the expansion draft anyway. Walters jumped the gun and paid too much. Hall and an actual late pick would have been one thing, but Hall and a high 2nd? That's an overpayment for a player the Riders were just trying to get some return on. I felt the same way at the time of the trade, but now I look at it like we got a starting OL for a second round pick... which we probably wouldn't have been able to do if we had kept the pick. We also got a fourth-rounder back in the trade. but you can't ignore Hall in the trade, he was a star player, the fact that he's not in the league now is irrelevant, he helped the Riders to win a Grey Cup, he was a huge part of the trade. Walters seems to me to pay whatever the cost to get his player which can be good or bad. At least he knows what he wants, but you can't always be paying sticker price in trades. Sticker price is sucker price. The thing is, nobody gives up starting OL. It took the first overall pick to pry Jon Gott out of Calgary... he is a good OL but definitely not the best in the league or anything. I believe that you are undervaluing Neufeld at this point.

It was a 2nd round draft pick, and given where the Bombers finished the season it was an early 2nd rounder... Here's the problem I still have with the trade: Walters had all the leverage in that trade. Riders wanted Hall, one of if not the best DE in the league for their playoff push, they were likely to lose Neufeld at least to the expansion draft anyway. Walters jumped the gun and paid too much. Hall and an actual late pick would have been one thing, but Hall and a high 2nd? That's an overpayment for a player the Riders were just trying to get some return on. I felt the same way at the time of the trade, but now I look at it like we got a starting OL for a second round pick... which we probably wouldn't have been able to do if we had kept the pick. We also got a fourth-rounder back in the trade.

I don't think you've ever seen him play. That is the only explanation I can come up with for your comments, because he is obviously a very talented receiver. Anyone can see that.

I don't know why you always have to get personal in every debate on here. Really strange behavior. I make comments on Chevy and instead of refuting them you have to turn to mocking me. Real nice. I believe I will just avoid this forum from now on. It is clear that differing opinions are not welcome. You guys can have your 3 posts in each thread where you all agree that the Jets and Chevy are infallible, shake hands, and close the topic down. I thought we were looking for discussion here but it turns out I was wrong.

Totally agree. Hamilton is not that bad. Especially with some injured players coming back. The question is whether LeFevour can keep up the pace from the last game or if he comes crashing back to Earth in his second game like so many other QB's have in the past.

For sure. He played a bit of halfback here in 2010, I think, and he wasn't very good at it... but that's 4 years ago. I'm not sure how he has been doing in Hamilton so far.

So we are supposed to wait until we draft our own Jonathon Toews, Patrick Kane, and Duncan Keith?? Sorry but we're not getting those guys while drafting in the 8-13 spots. I like Scheifele and Trouba but they are not the same caliber of player as Toews and Keith, not by a long shot. This idea that you don't add free agents until you are on the cusp of a Stanley Cup is just plain ridiculous. You try to improve every year. We don't have anyone in St Johns ready to come up and contribute so what would it hurt to add a quality older player on a short term deal? Such as a Derek Roy or Brad Richards. Who are we waiting on? It's going to be a couple more years til we start seeing real results from the Draft so why not sign a couple players in the meantime?? Make the team a little more competitive and maybe give them a taste of the playoffs so when the young guys are finally ready, they aren't stepping onto a team in he midst of a ten year playoff drought.

I don't know why they are sticking with a national at safety with Butler out. They may be regretting this halfway through the game against the Bombers.

Wouldn't say Josh Gordon is in dire need of help. However I would say that he has been screwed over by the NFL's absurd drug testing policies.

We'd be the best team in the league if we did. Don't even get me started on the Josh Gordon situation. What an absolute joke.

Blackmon got thrust into a terrible situation in Jacksonville, and unfortunately has made things harder on himself. But he's got lots of NFL life left, IMO.

And you still think Chevy is doing a good job?? Wow. 3 years on the job and hasn't given us a team that is even close to the playoffs. Wonderful.. Don't worry, I already know the response. "It would have been impossible for Chevy to turn this team around in 3 years." What an absolute loser mentality. Anyways, you are totally missing the point. A couple free agents would make this team better. Its not about winning in the playoffs or not, it's simply about making the team better. What argument do you have against making the team better by signing a couple players? What about names those couple players. Players still available or players who were available that Chevy missed out on? The first list is unfortunately small because it is late in free agency, but the latter list is huge. Legwand, Roy, Richards, Winnik, Cammaleri, Vanek, Kulemin, Grabovski, Raymond, Vrbata, Hemski.... you trying to tell me none of these players could help the Jets??? Get real.

We were close two seasons ago. We were in the race last season too until Scheifele got hurt. I don't think we're as far away as you do. With the exception of our current starting goalie, I don't mind the team we have. We're by no means great, but I think we're improving. Of course Chevy could do more. Only Dean Lombardi did enough with his team to win a Cup last season. I agree with you that we could be a bit more active in FA. I think a guy like Downie, for example, would have really helped us. We could stand to have a little crazy in the lineup, and he can play some hockey. He could play on any line. Man I don't think we're that far off either. That is Goalie that made that comment, not me. I believe we are close, I liked the team with Scheifele healthy after Maurice arrived. I just think we could use a couple more pieces to put us over the top. Downie is a great example. Really, ANYONE would be better than Tangradi. Anytime anyone criticizes Chevy, the response is "We're trying to build something, we can't mortgage the future on free agents." Like a couple free agents will totally cripple the team. It is absurd. Chevy has tried to add players and failed. He needs to do a better job of selling Winnipeg. Everyone knew that would be the case when the Jets came back. No, you can't force a player to sign here. But I refuse to believe that Chevy has done everything he possibly can to improve this team. The problem with exclusively building through the draft is that 29 other teams are doing the same thing. You have to find a way to be better than them. And so far, I haven't seen it.

He played tackle all season that year. Ryan Donnelly was our backup centre but I'm pretty sure Khan played there all year.

It is certainly mathematically possible that all 5 western teams could have more wins than the second-place eastern team

And you still think Chevy is doing a good job?? Wow. 3 years on the job and hasn't given us a team that is even close to the playoffs. Wonderful.. Don't worry, I already know the response. "It would have been impossible for Chevy to turn this team around in 3 years." What an absolute loser mentality. Anyways, you are totally missing the point. A couple free agents would make this team better. Its not about winning in the playoffs or not, it's simply about making the team better. What argument do you have against making the team better by signing a couple players?

Yeah you're right, there isn't much available out there now. Because it's the end of July and Chevy spent the whole month doing nothing while other teams signed up the good players. I still think we should sign Dustin Penner. He is a flawed player, no doubt, but he is far better than guys like Tangradi, Halischuk, and Thorburn... he can at least contribute offensively. And he is Manitoban. We have literally no depth at left wing right now. We have Ladd, then Kane, then nobody. We're looking at Tangradi or a call-up like Klingberg filling that role. WTF? You can't win with depth like that. I don't know why you can't see the difference between signing a couple pieces to fill-in the holes in the line-up, versus being like the Leafs and signing everyone available. You don't have to go to one extreme or the other, there is a middle ground there. Signing a couple free agents isn't going to prevent us from being a good team in the future, it isn't going to cripple the team. As for your last statement about making the playoffs, or winning in the playoffs... care to explain to me how signing a couple free agents will prevent us from building a team that can win in the playoffs? That is lost on me.

Brandon Whitaker

1. Can you tell us what routes he was supposed to be running? Were you in the huddle? What was the play call? Thanks in advance. 2. He was getting open, not sure what you were watching. 3. He doesn't have a catch, but he also doesn't have a drop. If the guy is getting open and the ball is getting underthrown, what more is he supposed to do??? Romby will make some plays for us this game, I'm sure of it. It's just a matter of chemistry. Clear to me that he can still play.

I’m tempted to say the most underrated offensive player in the league this year is Steve Morley at centre in Winnipeg

For those who don't know Turk Schonert, he was in the NFL for years as a QB coach and briefly an OC, but has been coaching in the UFL since 2009. No history in the CFL.

Jets re-sign Halischuk to a one-year, two-way deal for 725K. Huge move by Cheveldayoff. He is really earning his salary this off-season.

Wow. Didn't think I'd ever see Don Matthews back in the CFL.