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I saw it posted somewhere by someone else that summed it up best. Any potential GM that wanted to keep Burke as head coach was a poor choice for GM anyway.

but to get technical, you still got an interview based on knowing these people right? So that is getting points for prior relationships. It's just the way the world works. It's not what you know it's who you know.

Alex Hall sure did but he's not here anymore. Other than that... Did Hall really improve though? Took him a couple weeks to get used to the Canadian game when he first came but after that he was pretty good at getting to the qb. Bottom line a lot of guys got worse with Tim Burke and the best performances were from the guys who weren't here long enough to have their games completely destroyed. Burke had to go just because he wasn't making players better than when they fist came in outside of a rare occasion. Now it's probably not all Burkes fault directly, but he is still the guy supposed to be responsible for putting a coaching staff together than can get the most out of players and he absolutely failed to do that.

The bottom line is that you can compare what Lapolice and Burke each did with the rosters that Joe Mack handed them and they had the same kind of build for all of them and one guy may not have won anymore but he got a hell of a lot more out of them than Tim Burke did. Now I don't view Lapolice as a great coach who can turn a terrible roster into a competitive one, I think he's a guy who coached not to lose nothing more but compared to Tim Burke he might as well be Wally Buono. Setting aside the roster issues that may or may not exist Burke did nothing last year or this year to show that he was a good head coach.

ehh chances are they have their GM already anyway.

welcome to every single hiring in the world everywhere.

This instantly makes the Bombers a much more competitive team. No more rolling over and dying, awesome way to start the day.

When he was in Calgary he was an assistant player personnel guy. In Toronto he's assistant GM. That's a promotion. A paper promotion

Just out of curiosity, why would the position a player played on the field have any bearing on their abilities as a front office guy? Are you suggesting a QB would make a better president than a long snapper just because they played a more glamorous position? The football background relevancy comes from being around a team, it's leaders, seeing the day to day operations and what may work / may not. It doesn't come from where you lined up on the field. Never mind that he played both linebacker and fullback right? Seems to me that in terms of on field experience he's about as well rounded as they come having experience in all 3 phases. There's reasons to question the hire but not a single one of them has to do with his football background.

I don't know that Khari was all that terrible as an OC in Hamilton though... It's not like they ran him out of town, they just changed their head coach to someone who happened to be a bit of an offensive guru so that made for changes in the whole coaching staff. Basically I have no idea whether or not Khari is any kind of quality HC candidate or not, all I know is that seeing him in green is just wrong and it's high time he comes home in some capacity.

when Hamilton first started doing it they always compared it with how Winnipeg would use Goltz... of course then Goltz failed to win more than one game and he's got tire tracks on him and never sees the field.

The concern would be how does a rookie head coach deal with the ex head coach being under him? Is Burke still trying to act like a head coach? The only way this can work is if everyone 100% buys into the roles. personally I'm in favour of just doing a clean sweep and starting fresh but IF everyone is on board 100% then I suppose it could work.

question #1, why the delay on this announcement when everyone knew it was coming a long time ago? question #2 Y U NO FIRE BURKE ALREADY?!?!

Something to the effect of (and I'm paraphrasing): why would I want to go there .. it's where kickers and their careers go to die .. Berry was the coach at the time who rode Westwood out of the league and almost did the the same to Serna, so his comment rings pretty true. He looked like a psych case on the sidelines after a bad kick. Add to it the fact that Canadinns had hard to predict wind and we really should have been a kickers last stop at that time. ahh yes cause Westwood wasn't a washed up old vet at that point and Serna wasn't a below average american kicker...

I'm just saying that Calgarys offence relies on being able to run Cornish, if that gets taken away (as the argos did in the grey cup last year) everything falls apart cause Glenn isn't the guy who is likely to go out there and win it on his own.

I think the GC will come down to Ray > Glenn you mean Cornish vs. the toronto defense right? That's what did them in last year, they couldn't establish the running game.

I wouldn't ever want that fan base to cheer for my team.

Eh I'm not saying that's why the Als lost, just saying that I hate the refs not calling penalties because they don't want to decide the game when in reality not calling penalties is also game deciding. It's not just a problem in the CFL either, happens in all sports.

No one is shocked, just disappointed. You can clearly see that the ref saw it, but he didn't want to throw a flag on a game changing play which is a shame. If it's a penalty call it regardless of when it happens.

more likely Whyte's errant aim decided it than 1 call... whatever. i just hope the Argos smash the Cats for making me watch such a craptacular ESF (and because F the lolCats... but that should go without saying...) here's hoping a week Monday the front page of the sports section bears the headline "Argos lick the *******". EDIT: that shouldn't be censored! i meant the word as a synonym for "cats"... Ray vs. Burris in the playoffs should be a no brainer. One guy can actually perform in the playoffs the other can't. Damned lucky the red "didn't want to decide the game" and kept the flag in his pocket for the ticats. Of course I don't think the Argos are above choking either so who knows...

In the playoffs in poor weather? The hell you say. Guy is such a summer time qb.

Based on the suns you be the boss results I think the ignorant masses could be sold on Burke. Miller already seems to be setting us all up for it by keeping on with the "Joe Mack was worse than Reinbold and Kelly combined" story. I am absolutely terrified that they're going to take the easy way out and keep Walters at GM and Burke at HC and throw all the blame at Joe Macks feet and we'll wind up with another absolutely terrible season and the stadium will be the usual 20000 diehards who always show up but not much more.

If they retain Burke the team will still suck. They will still not be prepared on game day and will still get their asses handed to them week in and week out. Burke is not a good head coach plain and simple and regardless of any talent issues the team may have they will never live up to the potential that they may have with Burke as head coach.

Owens last year was bullshit, shoulda been Ray as the argos nominee then too cause without Ray Owens is not nearly as impressive a player. Ray makes everyone on offence better... but Owens was doing 3K yards before Ray. and his 3 X 3K in a row was/is unprecedented in pro football. I hate giving kick returners awards though. Yeah he had lots of combined yards but kick returning is just cheating really. Didn't like WIlliams and Owens being top contenders just because of the combined yards when so many yards came on kick returns.

....which means we are either strongly considering retaining Burke or an an organization we don't know our arse from our elbow. Both options cause me great concern.