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The main point here is that the bolded were all guys who were in the CFL previously. As I said, he did some good work in free agency but a lot of those guys were plucked off the scrap heap and many of them shouldn't be starting at all and I'd argue are only starting because of how poor the recruitment has been. The cupboards were not nearly as bare as people make them out to be. This team without guys like Denmark and Washington and Wild and Turner would be absolutely terrible. The only guys of note that were recruited this past offseason were Johnson and Legett and I don't doubt that they would have been fine in the secondary playing Suber instead of Johnson either.

Grigsby was fast and had good hands and in space he was pretty solid. Problem is that he went down way way too easily. arm tackles knocked him down with ease and I don't think he was particularly good at reading his blocking and anticipating where the holes would be. The OL hasn't been good enough this season make no mistake and the run game would always have some issues beause of that, but make no mistake Grigsby if he wasn't a down on first contact/run into people running back could have had some more success. Stop ******* around with Cotton and give him an actual decent chance and I guarantee he does no worse than Grigsby and probably better running the ball

nah it's not twitter that undoes these guys, that just gives the general public a window into their stupidity. Stupid is as stupid does and twitter or not they'd get into the same trouble.

Hardly. Most of the starters for this team are guys Mack brought in. Walters did some nice work in FA, but he's so far behind Mack in terms of recruiting American players at this point that it's not even a fair comparison. As for drafting we need more time to see just what Walters brings to the team in that regard.

Loose lips sink ships. The reasoning is that O'Shea is very protective of everyone in his organization, his coaching staff, his players, no one gets thrown under the bus, he is putting all the spotlight on himself. The way the reporters in Winnipeg as leading or trapping questions he doesn't want to take the chances of someone slipping up and causing a controversy with an innocent comment that gets spun into something bigger. This isn't about him not trusting his coaching staff to say the right message, it's about recognizing what a bunch of morons the media in Winnipeg are. They like to take innocent quotes and spin controversy and try and lead people down a line of questioning to fit the column they want to write.

An Oline does not need to be 5 all star players, although I'd gladly take 5. If you have a couple of A's and B+'s on your Oline, a guy who's probably not better than a C can fit in and do a fine job - he's surrounded by players who make him look better. They have enough talent and cohesion as a unit to do the job. The best Olines in the league, the A+ crews, are not made up of 5 A+ guys. Their play as a group is elevated by the presence of a few superior individuals. We have a couple of B's surrounded by C's. As a unit, they play like a D. No one is surrounded by enough talent that their flaws can be masked. Instead they all manage to make each other look a little worse. Their play as a group is torpedoed by the presence of a few average individuals and zero superior ones. Whoever did the colour commentary on CJOB Monday made a telling statement - he said he couldn't figure out why the Bombers let Justin Sorenson go, he looked fine in Edmonton this year. Justin Sorenson could have looked "fine" in Winnipeg too, if he'd been surrounded by better players, like he is in Edmonton. He is completely average, and playing here would probably have looked anywhere from unspectacular to awful. So yes, I agree, we only need to make a couple of changes to get greatly improved play from our Oline. We don't have to upgrade every spot, but the spots we upgrade have to be with premium players. Replacing Morley with Neufeld and Sorenson with Morley might technically mean 2 spots were slightly upgraded from the year before, but without at least 2 powerful swimmers anchoring this line, this unit will continue to drown. Well part of it is that Sorenson and Morley are basically the same guy. They are servicable centres but anywhere else they're not doing you a whole lot of good. The idea I am sure was having a solid left side with January and Greaves with a solid Morley at centre, then you just need to figure out the RT and RG, Walters obviously had a lot of faith in Neufeld being one of those guys, then find the other guy from all the options you have around. The problem though is that the guys on the left side have had pretty poor seasons by their standards and Neufeld has spent more time on the IR than the roster it seems like and the other guys they've used on the right side haven't been up to par. A lot of things going wrong. When the guys you expected to be solid for you aren't playing or aren't playing well and the new people just aren't very good the whole thing goes to hell in a hand basket. To be completely honest I thought the OL started the year servicably, but in the last little while it's fallen apart completely.

That was answered in preseason though, there's no need to ask the question again because the answer hasn't changed. MOS is the voice of the team and he is going to provide one consistent message. You can argue the validity of that philosophy all you like but that's the way it is with oshea and bringing it up again isn't going to change anything so why waste time at a press conference asking it again?

same self righteous prick it always is... Paul Friesen. what a ******* tool, as if he thinks he's the voice of any fan. I could pick out a ton of people from this site who already do a better job reporting on the Bombers than he does.

who is the self righteous prick giving MOS a hard time about the reporters needing to know everything because they're the voice of the fans?

Your worst grade is a C, which is average. If you were right, we'd have an average to above average team and we don't. You're a really really easy marker. yeah the import scouting is at best a D. Leggett and Johnson were good but who else of note have they found? Trading hasn't really been that good either. Basically they brought in some OK depth NIs and some good free agents. The biggest area that needs improvement is the american scouting. They have to bring in better depth players than they did last year. Can't be relying on guys like Romby Bryant as your depth. I think people just got so angry with Joe Mack that they are willing to overlook the areas that Walters needs to get better at. Right now he's basically Brendan Taman without the experience.

I'd prefer they just bring in players with enough brains to restrain themselves.

I have never seen a softer running back than Grigsby. Yes there were other issues going on, but the guy went down too easily and left a lot of yards on the field all on his own. Now that it's shown what a piss poor attitude he has I am even happier that he is gone and dismayed that it took this long to pull the trigger. We are better off without cancers like that.

I don't think listing them as keepers is the right way to go about this. A better discussion would be players that need to be upgraded on.

Nic Grigsby @Nic_Grigsby5 · 56m56 minutes ago I'm a Winner, loving teammate, and a proving player! I will not sell myself short I love my family & teammates to much for that to do so! Who has time for egotistical quitters? proven player and a winner? Not from what I saw, yet here he is saying how much he loves his team mates which he's has thrown under the bus and quit on, you don't win with trash like that.

yeah after seeing his tweets he can get ******. Good riddance. Biggest ***** I've seen at RB only got the starting job due to injury and then he ******* when they pull him, what a piece of ****. The team will be better without him.

you're in the midst of a 1-6 stretch and you get an ego? get ******.

Da fuh? What happened behind the scenes to cause that? I mean I wanted the guy replaced but as always, you don't replace someone until you have a better option.

Buddy that was at the game with us pointed out quite correctly that if the offense had taken 2 knees and kicked the ball every time they got it the score would have been better than it was at half time. They'd have kicked a field goal and not given up one of the touchdowns. That says a lot doesn't it?

yeah I dunno that Edmonton came out all that different after half time, by the 4th quarter it was basically everyone Bombers included going through the motions but the big thing that Brohm was doing was throwing the ball quickly. Didn't always work but at least it gave a chance. Trying to step up in the pocket with the Bombers OL is a fools game because there is no pocket to step into.

Willy is a good fit here too if you give the guy something to work with. He's beat up though, I guarantee it. Too many shots and too many injuries. He's hurt the throwing hand at least 3 times on the season, his ankle, his shoulder... why are we surprised his efficiency has dropped?

The key isn't experience, the key is hiring talented people. Trestman it is well documented accepted that he knew nothing about the CFL and dove into film and talked to people and actually learned what was working. I think a lot of people probably just come up thinking they'll pick up the nuances on the fly and don't appreciate the differences. So I don't care if someone is experienced or not, I care about if they're good enough to get the job done and part of that is knowing when you don't know something and learning what you don't know.

you were there? Admittedly I wasn't there when the players got on the field. Maybe that's part of their calisthenics and they were late getting on. On one side the Eskies look normal. all in different groups running plays, and on the bomber side they were all walking around the field goose stepping. Just saying - never seen that. They didn't really scrimmage all that much and when they did it didn't look as organised to me. It's an observation is all. Maybe I should have filmed it and posted it so you'd see how strange it was. Yeah we were there pretty early, I saw them running plays and working as individual units with their coaches... Nothing out of the ordinary at all. I saw them "goose stepping" as you call it, just a kind of stretching that I've seen football players do plenty of times as well. I really don't understand what the problem you had with the warm up was... They stretched, they ran plays and drills with the coaches, what more is there to do?

It's not size, it's talent. Wild is not your prototypical MLB but he is playing damned well despite it. Turner isn't a behemoth at DL and he's fine. The guys we are using just aren't good enough. Anderson was playing well at DT but they lost him to injury and the replacements haven't been up to par. It's size and strength, they got rag dolled by bigger, stronger men. Line play always comes down to beating the guy across the line from you. then how come the OL was so poor when all Joe Mack did was draft or recruit the biggest strongest most athletic OL out there? There is much more to it than simply size and strength. If you suck you suck no matter how big and strong you are. Need talented people who can do what is asked of them it doesn't really matter if they're big or not. Blaming the size is what people do when they don't want to put any thought into their game analysis. The issues with what Etchevary does don't start with the preference to have smaller faster players. The things he does with his players is the issues that needs to be talked about first and foremost. You are as delusional as Etch if you think you can win with the right players in his defence. Every defence in the league and all the best ones are 43's built the traditional way for a reason. This has nothing to do with issues, it's common sense. what I am saying is that Etchevary has flaws in his defense that even bigger players won't fix. He intentionally leaves huge spaces uncovered. The guy should be replaced for that reason rather than his preference for smaller players, but no matter what you call you need talented people who can execute and right now we don't have people who can execute in several positions either.

but to be completely fair they were shitting the bed in Alberta long before we got out here.

It's not size, it's talent. Wild is not your prototypical MLB but he is playing damned well despite it. Turner isn't a behemoth at DL and he's fine. The guys we are using just aren't good enough. Anderson was playing well at DT but they lost him to injury and the replacements haven't been up to par. It's size and strength, they got rag dolled by bigger, stronger men. Line play always comes down to beating the guy across the line from you. then how come the OL was so poor when all Joe Mack did was draft or recruit the biggest strongest most athletic OL out there? There is much more to it than simply size and strength. If you suck you suck no matter how big and strong you are. Need talented people who can do what is asked of them it doesn't really matter if they're big or not. Blaming the size is what people do when they don't want to put any thought into their game analysis. The issues with what Etchevary does don't start with the preference to have smaller faster players. The things he does with his players is the issues that needs to be talked about first and foremost.