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1 hour ago, Mr Dee said:
Blah, blah, blah.
What you’re spewing is no different than what you accuse the media and this forum of doing.
I don’t see any calm, informed, factual information coming from the information you provided.
What you offer is YOUR opinion, based on information related to shape your mind..and you don’t, or won’t see it, never mind admit it...but you, yourself swallowed it.
There are opinions aplenty many of which were grounded in the relentless barrage of media-hype we've been subjected to for the past few weeks. Talk about blah, blah, blah. So what? I had opinions that went against that flow. Again, so what? Isn't that what discussion forums are for, discussing the facts and having opinions? I won't apologise for having an opinion if that's what you're getting at.
A lot of what I've been opining is grounded in fact although admittedly it hasn't been pounded into our heads by the great media machine.
COVID-19: Approximately 83,149 deaths reported worldwide; 12,911 deaths in the U.S., as of Apr. 8, 2020.
Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.
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2 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
Well, just an update on my EI claim from yesterday. It took me an hour & a half of redialing, getting thru, dropped calls after doing so or being told ton call back as they were unable to take my call I actually got into the queue. According to my phone I called back 126 times before getting through. After a 6 hour wait on hold & constantly fretting that my call would be dropped but wasn't I spoke to an actual person who took care of my mistake from yesterday. My claim has been reactivated & I can now do my EI reports. I'm not complaining. I'm just relieved it's all taken care of.
Good stuff, Speedflex27!
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More from the "misinformed" ...
"On March 24th, the CDC issued an alert stating that doctors should classify “probable COVID-19” or “likely COVID-19” as Covid-19 deaths. Perhaps that explains the seeming drop-off of pneumonia deaths this year and the simultaneous spike in Covid-19 deaths as some researchers have reported.
The BBC reported last week that, “At present in the US, any death of a Covid-19 patient, no matter what the physician believes to be the direct cause, is counted for public reporting as a Covid-19 death.”
Does that sound like a scientifically sound way of determining how deadly Covid-19 really is?
What is most dangerous is that although this virus will eventually disappear, the assault on our civil liberties is not likely to be reversed. From this point on, whenever local officials, county officials, state governors, or federal bureaucrats decide there is sufficient reason to suspend the Constitution they will not hesitate to do so. Anyone who challenges the suspension of the Constitution “for our own good” will be labeled “unpatriotic” and perhaps even reported to the authorities. We have already seen hotlines springing up across the country for Americans to report other Americans who dare venture outside to enjoy the sun and build up their vitamin D protection against the coronavirus" -
Toronto real estate market down from 37% last week to a whopping 58% this week. Everything right on schedule.
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27 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
When did people stop holding politicians to a higher standard?
Some people realized that politicians are just puppets and those pulling their strings have a different agenda from the "people". Combine that with the masterful job the media does of shaping the minds of "the people" and you get what we have today -- a panicked, misinformed, mob in fight-or-flight mode willing to conform and swallow without question whatever is fed to them.
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5 hours ago, Mr Dee said:
Think of it in something you’re aware of...like how fast J5V pumps out those posts...😏😄
It's a gift. 🙂
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2 minutes ago, Floyd said:
What are you calling for?
EI. Just a regular EI claim.
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12 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
It wasn't busy. It was a drop. It beeped after about a minute of silence & then a message said call failed.
Probably overwhelmed.
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Just now, Floyd said:
Short answer: I would try again tomorrow and the next day instead of calling my fkn MLA haha
We have different ideas of the speed of government ha
The fact that its rolled out at all is a miracle
I probably don't have a good handle on the logistics of this but I am in my 3rd week of dropped lines and busy signals trying to speak to a human at Service Canada. I think I have PTSD from the constant busy signal and the recording that says "due to the high volume of calls we cannot take your call right now. Please try again later". Click. I have the auto-dialer set to 300 seconds. I start it at 8:30am and my phone dials away until 4:30pm. 5 days a weeks. I'm in my 3rd week. I figure I am a pretty patient guy. I wonder how many people are in this boat with me.
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1 minute ago, Floyd said:
Two weeks ha?
In this day and age two weeks is a lifetime. They're the government!
Okay, what if you couldn't get through due to a constant busy signal. The Service Canada centres are shut down. What would you do?
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5 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
My federal application just fell into a black hole. Partly because nof my own stupidity & partly because the phone line to EI has crashed. I was on EI last year as I had my knee replacement during the summer & was switched over to regular EI claim when I went back to work in November. I still have about 6 weeks left to claim until June 30th when my present claim expires.
I wasn't sure what to claim, the rest of my EI benefits or the CERB? Very early this morning, I went to Service Canada webpage & was sent to another where I answered some questions online. I was put onto the EI page & began to answer even more questions. halfway thru I began to realize that they wee asking me questions for what looked like a new claim but I figured I would keep going as that is what it wanted me to do. When I finished I was informed my claim was done successfully but there'd be a one week waiting period when all I wanted to do was REACTIVATE my present claim. I realized that I didn't reactivate my claim like I wanted.
So, now in the system I have two claims going simultaneously. Usually when I want to reactivate my EI claim during Xmas, I call the 1-800-206-7218 number & they do it over the phone in 2 minutes. I thought doing it online would be easier but nope. This morning & all day long I called that number to try to straighten everything out. At one point over & over 32 times in a row & I was told the call failed every time.
So, now I have 2 claims simultaneously going. No way to call & I can't go down to an EI Office to get this thing sorted out. What a mess. There is no instructions online for people who still have active claims but went back to work. All I can do now is keep trying. But if I don't have this resolved by the end of the week because I can't call, I'm going to get my MP office involved as there's nothing else I can do.
I feel your pain as do many thousands of us. They've had how long to set this up and it's just a mess. Download yourself an autodialer and set it for 5 minutes or so and it'll dial in for you repeatedly until it connects. You need to talk to a human and I don't know how else you can do it.
Good luck.
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6 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Honestly I don't even believe that this is about money to Trump. I can remember reading an article a while back about this drug in combination with something else showing positive results as a treatment for covid. I suspect all that is happening here is that Trump saw similar in his news binges and just latched onto "cure found, I can be the hero and everyone will love me"
I think I remember reading that the "something else" was zinc.
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7 hours ago, 17to85 said:
Alright that's great, but no one has blobs of hand sanitizer on their hands. You rub it in and the alcohol in it evaporates very quickly. Also if you're sticking your hands in the flames of a bbq you're doing it wrong anyway.
But hey cool video. Alcohol burns, who knew!
What I got from the video was that if you accidentally spill a small glob somewhere, not just on your hands but anywhere, and you are anywhere near a bbq, where there are flash flames, that the alcohol in the sanitizer will burn. Alcohol is dangerous as **** because it burns with an invisible flame and you can't see it.
If you, or your partner, or your kids, or your neighbours or their kids, have hand sanitizer in the vicinity of a bbq please be careful.
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Sorry, but a good friend of mine here in Ontario knows this gentleman and sent me his video. It looked like something to be shared so I thought I'd post it here. Mark, if you feel it doesn't belong or needs to be moved elsewhere please do what you feel is right. Thanks.
- Wanna-B-Fanboy and Mark H.
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10 hours ago, AtlanticRiderFan said:
Your article proves the opposite of what you are trying to say. It's saying we need to do more, not less.
Not at all. It shows that you can do plenty to successfully flatten this thing without sacrificing your economy, putting people out of work, bankrupting your businesses, creating undue fear & panic, and needlessly isolating the strong and healthy of your society.
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24 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:
Now if a website continues to churn out misinformation... it gains a reputation.... and at a certain point, it's safe to say that it is a crank website.
Fair point. I, too, dismiss a lot of what I read as nonsense or worse. You definitely have to have a filter and still try not to throw the baby out with the bath water.
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7 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:
I used to read GR in the early 2010s then I found too many factual inaccuracies and couldn't find anything other than cherry picked and manipulated data and opinion pieces masked as factual reporting and studies...
It's a crank website. Trust me, I used to frequent that site.
And yes, I have considered the links and info you have posted... weighed it against other sources and dismissed them because they are so out to lunch.
Now if a website continues to churn out misinformation... it gains a reputation.... and at a certain point, it's safe to say that it is a crank website.
So, just like virtually all main stream media outlets then? 😉
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2 hours ago, 17to85 said:
For the millionth time, because this is a new virus that spreads ******* fast! The flu has been around forever and doesn't overload the health care system. That's what we are trying to accomplish here, save lives by not having to choose who lives and who dies because we don't have enough resources to handle everyone getting sick at once.
Do you practice being wrong because you're sure good at it.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/health/flu-surveillance-cdc/index.html
https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patients/
https://www.patriotledger.com/news/20200114/flu-cases-overwhelm-south-shore-hospital-emergency-room
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31 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:
Thanks for the article- kind of frightening, but very interesting.
They made mention of one of @J5V's web sources:
"It has been widely reported that on March 12, Zhao Lijian, a senior spokesperson for China’s foreign ministry, began circulating an insinuation that the U.S. military somehow smuggled the coronavirus into Wuhan. In subsequent posts, Zhao directed his Twitter followers to Montreal’s Centre for Research on Globalization—a crank website notorious for trafficking in outlandish “anti-imperialist” conspiracy theories—which had been circulating the claim. The ministry’s senior spokesperson, Hua Chunying, followed suit, as did several Chinese “news” organizations and diplomats."
Gosh, someone that disagrees with me or disagrees with a source I may have quoted. What a surprise. You may have noticed that anyone willing to consider all arguments, no matter how extreme, and/or questions the main stream media's take on things, because, y'know, they'd never lie to us, is always labeled as a crank or a conspiracy theorist. It's an old ploy that I am immune to. A wise man, one much wiser than I, once told me that if I say something and everyone agrees with me, I should be wary. "You are either wrong or lying or both".
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17 minutes ago, Mark H. said:
I think they really don't know what to say. If I had to guess, I would say they are saying July because that would be the end of the school year, which would considerably simplify the loosening of restrictions.
It is also the end of the 4 months of support from funds such as E.I. benefits.
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56 minutes ago, AtlanticRiderFan said:
This is what COVID could have looked like without intervention. Most of the world population being infected and over 40 million dying worldwide. Still think we are overreacting?
https://globalnews.ca/news/6754014/coronavirus-pandemic-projected-deaths-report/
Who are you arguing with and what are you arguing?
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29 minutes ago, AtlanticRiderFan said:
Because the strong and healthy can still pass it on to vulnerable people, even if they are not symptomatic. We also don't know everything about this virus yet, as it is new, so it is incredibly dangerous to put the general population at risk by not taking precautions. It could have more detrimental effects on healthy people than we realize. Right now when we don't have a vaccine is all the more reason to keep our distance. A vaccine will be developed eventually, so in the meantime, let's not let it spread exponentially. Yes, the closures are terrible for the economy, but I would rather millions of people not die or have irreversible damage done to their bodies.
You also keep saying that the flu is deadlier, but the coronavirus death toll has only spiked within the last two to three weeks. We don't know that it isn't going to be worse than the flu in a few months time. THIS is why we are being more cautious with coronavirus than with the flu.
Which is why I said to protect them. Isolate the sick, not the healthy. We already know that when healthy people get it the vast majority brush it aside. What do you mean we don't know?
Who are these millions of dead people?
Fact #1. The vast majority of fatalities are those with compromised immune systems such as diabetics, those suffering from organ failure, the sick and the elderly.
Fact #2. The vast majority of healthy people with healthy immune symptoms have no to mild symptoms and recover within 14 days.Knowing this, if I had to address this problem, the most efficient solution I could think of would be to isolate the sick and the elderly and protect them from infection. Once I had secured them I would ask the strong and healthy to continue providing for their families and running their businesses while practising safe, hygenic measures to protect themselves from infection by frequent hand washing, covering their coughs and sneezes, and sanitizing their homes and work places. You could also track the people that have gotten ill and isolate them as well along with anyone they may have had contact with.
This is not the same as a total lockdown.
It would likely accomplish the same goal as a total lock-down but at a minuscule fraction of the cost and destruction to the economy that we are doing right now.
Look at Singapore. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/31/countries-in-lockdown-should-try-what-singapore-is-doing-coronavirus-expert.html
Covid-19
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Statistics starting to come out of Sweden. Found this article which mentions Denmark as well.
Has Sweden Found the Right Solution to the Coronavirus?
Here are a few of the highlights ...
"If the COVID-19 pandemic tails off in a few weeks, months before the alarmists claim it will, they will probably pivot immediately and pat themselves on the back for the brilliant social-distancing controls that they imposed on the world. They will claim that their heroic recommendations averted total calamity. Unfortunately, they will be wrong; and Sweden, which has done almost no mandated social distancing, will probably prove them wrong."
“The theory of lockdown, after all, is pretty niche, deeply illiberal — and, until now, untested. It’s not Sweden that’s conducting a mass experiment. It’s everyone else.”
"We’ve posed these simple questions to many highly trained infectious-disease doctors, epidemiologists, mathematical disease-modelers, and other smart, educated professionals. It turns out that, while you need proof beyond a reasonable doubt to convict a person of theft and throw them in jail, you don’t need any actual evidence (much less proof) to put millions of people into a highly invasive and burdensome lockdown with no end in sight and nothing to prevent the lockdown from being reimposed at the whim of public-health officials. Is this rational?"
"The problem with lockdowns is that “you tire the system out,” Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s chief epidemiologist, told the Guardian. “You can’t keep a lockdown going for months — it’s impossible.” He told Britain’s Daily Mail: “We can’t kill all our services. And unemployed people are a great threat to public health. It’s a factor you need to think about.”"
"The really good news is that in Sweden’s ICU census, which is updated every 30 minutes nationwide, admissions to every ICU in the country are flat or declining, and they have been for a week. As of this writing (based on currently available data), most of Sweden’s ICU cases today are elderly, and 77 percent have underlying conditions such as heart disease, respiratory disease, kidney disease, and diabetes. Moreover, there hasn’t been a single pediatric ICU case or death in Sweden — so much for the benefits of shutting down schools everywhere else. There are only 25 COVID-19 ICU admissions among all Swedes under the age of 30."
"Sweden is developing herd immunity by refusing to panic. By not requiring social isolation, Sweden’s young people spread the virus, mostly asymptomatically, as is supposed to happen in a normal flu season. They will generate protective antibodies that make it harder and harder for the Wuhan virus to reach and infect the frail and elderly who have serious underlying conditions. For perspective, the current COVID-19 death rate in Sweden (40 deaths per million of population) is substantially lower than the Swedish death rate in a normal flu season (in 2018, for instance, about 80 per million of population)."
"Nature’s got this one, folks. We’ve been coping with new viruses for untold generations. The best way is to allow the young and healthy — those for whom the virus is rarely fatal — to develop antibodies and herd immunity to protect the frail and sick. As time passes, it will become clearer that social-isolation measures like those in Switzerland and Norway accomplish very little in terms of reducing fatalities or disease, though they crater local and national economies — increasing misery, pain, death, and disease from other causes as people’s lives are upended and futures are destroyed."
Source: https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-response-sweden-avoids-isolation-economic-ruin/